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ESB vote to strike over gold plated pensions as winter arrives

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  • #272
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Did the ESB worker who cannot afford to pay his mortgage renege of his contract with the bank? should he and all others to reneged be forced out of their houses. Or is that different despite the fact they signed the contract, just like ESB and companies did.

    Can the company not afford it now?
    Big difference between a struggling worker and a company making millions.


  • #273
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    The real issue is the ESB workers and senior management are really special people that are entitled to whatever they wish, no matter who suffers trying to survive. They are special people because sometimes they have to work in the rain and wind, while the management team have to control things in the comfortable chairs of their offices like their counter parts in Bord Gais. Please do not exasperate things by making disparaging remarks about these gentle souls, do not forget this is winter, you have to boil a kettle, heat your water, heat your house, and have light to be able to go to the toilet at night. Be careful do not upset the people that can pull the switch. There was no talk of action in the hot weather or long evenings.


  • #274
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,040 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Can the company not afford it now?
    Big difference between a struggling worker and a company making millions.

    a contract is a contract simple.


  • #275
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    No cause I have a good understanding, but I want you to explain to prove how little knowledge you have of the situation.

    Read this article --

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/esb-strike-looms-over-deficit-in-pensions-242233.html

    Expecting a dark Christmas here.


  • #276
    Frankie5Angels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭Frankie5Angels


    hansfrei wrote: »
    Tell me about it so. Post #10 is clearly bollox BTW.

    There's enough information on here and in the news about it if you care to look.
    hansfrei wrote: »
    Now tell me again why the governmentshould hand over €600m of my moneyto your pension company.

    Good God Almighty.....

    1. the figure is not 600m.
    2. it is not your money, none of it.
    3. the government will most likely have to pay squat, while still receiving its annual dividend.


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  • #277
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,040 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Read this article --

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/esb-strike-looms-over-deficit-in-pensions-242233.html

    Expecting a dark Christmas here.

    guarantee you this will not happen.
    but please keep ignoring the questions.


  • #278
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    Frankie5Angels wrote: »
    There's enough information on here and in the news about it if you care to look.



    Good God Almighty.....

    1. the figure is not 600m.
    2. it is not your money, none of it.
    3. the government will most likely have to pay squat, while still receiving its annual dividend.

    Well I won't see it if thats what you mean. Post #10 is bollox and the article you posted confirmed that.

    If ESB pensions have trouble then sack the people working in ESB pensions. Oh wait, you won't. They're in the same union! lol.


    Sort YOUR problems out YOURSELVES and stop persecuting your customers.


  • #279
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    hansfrei wrote: »
    What do you mean, begrudgery? I ha e a half decent job and a pension. I don't expect that pension is worth a damn.

    Have you looked into your Pension recently? Thats the problem with most people, too lazy to look into their own affairs. Most private pension funds are on the bounce back and this year alone saw mega returns.

    My AIB PRSA is up 17% on my conributions, you should look after your pension, not just ignore it and hope it performs.
    hansfrei wrote: »
    Now tell me again why the governmentshould hand over €600m of my money to your pension company.

    The day you have to hand over €600M of your money, i'll eat my laptop, and for afters, i'll eat the charger too :rolleyes:


  • #280
    grainnewhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 392 ✭✭grainnewhale


    The ESB unions have been holding the people of Ireland to ransom for years. At the end of the day its not the government or the company paying, its the poorest people of Ireland paying way above the average for their electric.


  • #281
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    kceire wrote: »
    Have you looked into your Pension recently? Thats the problem with most people, too lazy to look into their own affairs. Most private pension funds are on the bounce back and this year alone saw mega returns.

    My AIB PRSA is up 17% on my conributions, you should look after your pension, not just ignore it and hope it performs.



    The day you have to hand over €600M of your money, i'll eat my laptop, and for afters, i'll eat the charger too :rolleyes:

    The day my pension went down the tubes was way before the last election. I did something about it. Sadly a whole bunch of other fvckers took a different view. Thats democracy.

    My pension contributions are now part of the state sponsored shadow banking system. Sucks to be me.


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  • #282
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    guarantee you this will not happen.
    but please keep ignoring the questions.

    There you go.
    Take your time reading.

    http://www.pensionsombudsman.ie/cms/sites/default/files/understanding.pdf

    By the way who is at fault here the company or the workers?


  • #283
    Frankie5Angels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭Frankie5Angels


    hansfrei wrote: »
    Well I won't see it if thats what you mean. Post #10 is bollox and the article you posted confirmed that.

    If ESB pensions have trouble then sack the people working in ESB pensions. Oh wait, you won't. They're in the same union! lol.


    Sort YOUR problems out YOURSELVES and stop persecuting your customers.


    Well, at least now I can say we are 100% on the same page because neither of us have a clue what you're talking about. I neither referenced post 10 or posted any article.


  • #284
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    tayto lover wrote: »
    There you go.
    Take your time reading.

    http://www.pensionsombudsman.ie/cms/sites/default/files/understanding.pdf

    By the way who is at fault here the company or the workers?

    The company are the fcuking workers.


  • #285
    mike2084
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭mike2084


    The Irish Independent certainly don't seem to like the ESB

    http://www.independent.ie/incoming/esb-staff-reap-55-per-cent-discount-on-their-electricity-bills-29771196.html


  • #286
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    mike2084 wrote: »
    The Irish Independent certainly don't seem to like the ESB

    http://www.independent.ie/incoming/esb-staff-reap-55-per-cent-discount-on-their-electricity-bills-29771196.html

    “The staff discount scheme applies a discount to electricity unit charges and that no discount is given against standing charges or the PSO Levy. ESB is fully tax compliant in applying this scheme,” he said.


  • #287
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    hansfrei wrote: »
    The day my pension went down the tubes was way before the last election. I did something about it. Sadly a whole bunch of other fvckers took a different view. Thats democracy.

    My pension contributions are now part of the state sponsored shadow banking system. Sucks to be me.

    So then maybe some people have balls and fight back while others turn the other cheek and say they can do nothing about it. We are too soft in this country. We take everything that's thrown at us. Just look at us paying all the gambling debts and not a word of protest.


  • #288
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    so, when should i stock up on candles?


  • #289
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mike2084 wrote: »
    The Irish Independent certainly don't seem to like the ESB

    http://www.independent.ie/incoming/esb-staff-reap-55-per-cent-discount-on-their-electricity-bills-29771196.html

    Government mouthpiece the Indo.


  • #290
    Mardy Bum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Government mouthpiece the Indo.

    and/or a rag for the most part.


  • #291
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    Frankie5Angels wrote: »
    Well, at least now I can say we are 100% on the same page because neither of us have a clue what you're talking about. I neither referenced post 10 or posted any article.

    I meant to quote TL. Apologies. But you're wrong to do what you are doing nevertheless.


    I and 99% of the population have nothing to do with your problems with your pension compnay.


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  • #292
    Frankie5Angels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭Frankie5Angels


    mike2084 wrote: »
    The Irish Independent certainly don't seem to like the ESB

    http://www.independent.ie/incoming/esb-staff-reap-55-per-cent-discount-on-their-electricity-bills-29771196.html

    "Meanwhile, independent.ie can reveal...."

    What a scoop, it's only been known how many years now?!

    Absolute rag of a paper anyway.


  • #293
    mike2084
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    so, when should i stock up on candles?

    15th December I've heard


  • #294
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mike2084 wrote: »
    15th December I've heard

    21st in the article.
    How long does it take to cook a turkey using candles?


  • #295
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    kceire wrote: »
    “The staff discount scheme applies a discount to electricity unit charges and that no discount is given against standing charges or the PSO Levy. ESB is fully tax compliant in applying this scheme,” he said.

    The ESB person goes out to cut your electricty supply to a family because of lack of money due to loss of job, is getting his electricity at less than half the price than the family he is cutting off. Jaysus it makes you wonder did Nidge take the wrong career approach.


  • #296
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    tayto lover wrote: »
    So then maybe some people have balls and fight back while others turn the other cheek and say they can do nothing about it. We are too soft in this country. We take everything that's thrown at us. Just look at us paying all the gambling debts and not a word of protest.

    Balls? Yes I has balls. No, I wouldn't inflict a powercut on old people in winter. No I wouldn't bail out a pension company who fvcked up. Sue them, have them thrown in the clinker. Sack them at least.


  • #297
    mike2084
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭mike2084


    tayto lover wrote: »
    21st in the article.
    How long does it take to cook a turkey using candles?

    Brill, just as I'm heading home for Christmas :rolleyes:


  • #298
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,759 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    The ESB person goes out to cut your electricty supply to a family because of lack of money due to loss of job, is getting his electricity at less than half the price than the family he is cutting off. Jaysus it makes you wonder did Nidge take the wrong career approach.

    Is he not sent out by his big boss?


  • #299
    hansfrei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭hansfrei


    tayto lover wrote: »
    21st in the article.
    How long does it take to cook a turkey using candles?

    Thats a horrible comment and I'm surprised at you.


  • #300
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    hansfrei wrote: »
    The company are the fcuking workers.

    That's a pretty damn wide generalisation to be fair. I doubt the average ESB worker has any say in either where the pension money goes or even if they can opt out of it


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  • #301
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Ref. post 252.

    The ESB is not in the public sector, the money they pay on wages or discounts they allow is not public money.


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