Best TV for the PS4?

Stuart085 wrote: »

Na, my projector has a 18ms response time which is not noticable

reponse time and input lag are completely different things. Did you measure the input lag. Am looking at projectors so genuine question.

RoyalCelt wrote: »

I was in Arnotts today and they had OLED and 4k TV's for up to 8000€ so that's not an issue. I believe what you say and the Plasma's prob only stand out in the dark but I don't plan on getting severve eye strain so I'll be playing my PS4 and Blu Rays with the lights on! Plus the LED's will save money on my bills and the iput lag for games will be less!

I'd love an OLED but will obviously wait a few years and until they are suitable for gaming. I game in the dark but use bias lighting on the back of the tv. Helps improve black levels too. The Antec SoundScience hdtv bias lighting kit isn't have bad. They claim it's pro calibrated to 6500k color temp. Certainly makes a difference when watching movies or gaming.

http://www.antec.com/soundscience/hdtv-bias-lighting.php

Would be wary of getting a Panny plasma ,i'm pretty sure i read somewhere they are ceasing plasma production,unless you get a bargain if they reduce prices to get rid of old stock.I have an Optoma GT750 myself ,projectors won't break the bank and have supposedly better response times than most TV's .Doesn't have to be totally dark to watch either.I don't use mine a lot so will get years before bulb needs changing,if you are going to use it for more than 5-6 hours a day you would be better getting a TV as bulbs are expensive.

Isn't OLED burn in worse than Plasma burn in?
I never hear anyone talking about it.

Stuart085 wrote: »

higher end LCDs have ultra high contrast images with perfect blacks.

You could not be more wrong.

Why do people post on things they clearly know nothing about?

Drunkenmonkey is about the only one posting accurate information on the thread.

Own a 64F8500 plasma myself (the winner of the shootout posted previously), which is great (and reasonable imput lag) when running in pc mode. It's brightness levels are incredible for a plasma, but it's pricey at over 3k.

Personally, I think a Panasonic plasma is the way to go. ST series is excellent.

Go to HDTVtest and look up the reviews of David McKenzie. He reviews these tv's in a seriously comprehensive fashion. That really is the best way to judge.

ben101 wrote: »

Unless you get a bargain i would be cautious,they have stopped making plasma so that could be an issue.http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/31/5050038/panasonic-plasma-tv-production-end

While true, that doesn't really mean anything in the context of the OP's potential purchase.

It's under warranty for 5 years, and they'll continue to make parts to service existing models.

>OP

I think the Samsung PS60E6500 would be ideal for you, providing you can track one down, as they're the previous model.

It's a phenomenal tv for gaming, superfast response, and incredibly resistant to screen burn. I gave mine to my folks when I upgraded to the F8500.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm

The Samsung plasmas of 2012 had 3 tiers- budget, mid, and premium. The model I've linked above was the mid range model, but had the same panel as the premium without some bells and whistles.

This year, plasma wise, there's only two options from Samsung: budget and premium.

The cheaper 2013 F5500 has an inferior panel to the 2012 e6500, but it's still good, but quite reflective (which could be annoying if you have a bright room). But at about 1k euro for the 60" it's very good value. Good for input lag too:

http://www.displaylag.com/introducing-2013s-best-hdtvs-for-gaming-part-1/

Finally, you mentioned that when you saw the Panasonic plasmas in the store, that they looked poor in comparison to lcd/led. This is the classic mistake that leads people to led purchases.

The lighting where you're viewing it, are not normal conditions whatsoever. Flourescent lights overhead, tv's side by side etc. They've got the led tv's cranked up on retina burning settings, that you'd never use anyway, and this makes the plasma (which isn't capable of going that bright) look really dim and washed out in comparision.

But get that dim looking plasma into your home in normal to dark'ish lighting conditions, and you'll see why they're the tv lovers choice. Accurate colours, uniformly lit screen, perfect motion, and inky blacks (which make so much of a difference you wouldn't believe)

Lcd's are fine for most of what people generally use them for. But if you're really into film, sports and gaming (as I am), plasma is your only man.

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

Heres a thing
with the launch of the ps4 and seeing it been played at the event
what sony tvs were they using im sure with all the tech heads that work for ps they'd only supply the best tvs to play with the ps4
incase tgey didnt look good and with the whole gaming world looking on im sure they did there research on whats better

so any ideas what sony tvs they used and we can put this to bed

its like the aerodynamics of a motor they actually pay engineers to come up with the angle of a spoiler and yet you see some idiot paying a few bob to put a shopping trolley spoiler on the car because in there Eyes it looks Awesome

just saying

Actually, it's because the PS3 is made by Sony and they are promoting their own products. It doesn't mean they are the best products.

the sony tv they use for demos and gameplay at the sony events
if its good enough for them then its good enough for me
not changing tvs for a while yet but when I do itll be sony

didn't they have a PlayStation tv at one stage what was the deal with that muck or what ???

miralize wrote: »

Is there any info on 1440p monitors from sony?

What would be the point? The games are 1080p

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

Heres a thing
with the launch of the ps4 and seeing it been played at the event
what sony tvs were they using im sure with all the tech heads that work for ps they'd only supply the best tvs to play with the ps4
incase tgey didnt look good and with the whole gaming world looking on im sure they did there research on whats better

so any ideas what sony tvs they used and we can put this to bed

its like the aerodynamics of a motor they actually pay engineers to come up with the angle of a spoiler and yet you see some idiot paying a few bob to put a shopping trolley spoiler on the car because in there Eyes it looks Awesome

just saying

They were using Sony 42W653 sets....can be got for around 620 euro in Curry's or Argos. It's their mid-range set with a 50hz native refresh and 200hz image processing (which is turned off automatically in game mode) and has 15ms input lag and which puts it close to some of the best dedicated PC monitors. So easily their best set for gaming and probably the current best TV for gaming out there. There was no benefit to them demoing PS4 on their top of the line 805/905 as many of image processing features in these sets, while excellent for movies are a negative when it comes to gaming.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl42w653-201308113237.htm

Flaccus wrote: »

They were using Sony 42W653 sets....can be got for around 620 euro in Curry's or Argos. It's their mid-range set with a 50hz native refresh and 200hz image processing (which is turned off automatically in game mode) and has 15ms input lag and which puts it close to some of the best dedicated PC monitors. So easily their best set for gaming and probably the current best TV for gaming out there. There was no benefit to them demoing PS4 on their top of the line 805/905 as many of image processing features in these sets, while excellent for movies are a negative when it comes to gaming.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl42w653-201308113237.htm

isnt the W6 about 850 in argos? im buying it from richersounds and getting it delivered all for 650..if i can get it just ax cheap in dublin then ill go that way


EDIT: wow..since when did they reduce it? i literally checked the website the other week and it was about 900. BARGAIN ALERT GUYS

Flaccus wrote: »

By the way the ONLY difference between the W653 and W654 is the colour of the bezel...653 is carbon/black colour, 654 is silver. That's all.

ridicilous how the 654 is a little bit dearer huh? i would have went for the 654 if it was the same price. but black is great too.

powercity has a "bonus warranty" where if you sign up(they didnt mention where) you get 5 years warranty. so im going to buy the W653 from there in 2-3 weeks time

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Sony looks good because there's nothing to compare it to, stick it beside a a Panasonic Neo Plasma, Pioneer Kuro or the latest Samsug F's and you'll see how shoite led actually is. There's very few people in this thread know what an excellent picture quality is.

I had a Samsung UE46F8000 before I bought my Panasonic 50 inch GT60, and couldn't get on with the Samsung. The 8000 is notorious for clouding/spotlighting and the colours to my eyes are oversaturated. It also had desperate desperate input lag, even when set to game mode and the hdmi input label renamed to PC. So it was a choice between the Sony 905 or the GT60. The Sony was way to expensive so I ended up buying a GT60 and not regretted it since. The only thing the Sony is better at is 3D and obviously usage in a bright room. But I watch everything in a very dimly lit room anyway.

As regards the Sony W6 which I bought for gaming, the only Samsung I think that is comparable for gaming in the F series is the F6800 or 6500, but it still has twice as much input lag. But most won't notice 34ms compared to 15ms I think. Image quality wise, perhaps the Samsung is slightly better but to my eyes the F6800/6500 (native 100hz), and F7000 and F8000 (native 200hz) all suffer from judder due to their funky motion interpolation (CMR between 400hz and 1000hz depending on set) which I believe is undefeatable. The W6 turns motion interpolation off (Motion Flow 200hz) automatically in game mode so it's operating as a native 50hz panel. In fact there is no way to turn it on or off manually as it's controlled by what scene you select; unlike the more upmarket W8 and W9 which give you full control over it. Then again it's pointless for gaming.

I'm now looking at replacing my 32 inch W6 with a 42 inch W6.

What do you guys think is the minimum distance for gaming on a 42 ?