Best TV for the PS4?

wes

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

On the whole thought of this thread though: Most people here seem to have 1080 tele of four or five years or less and we're talking about changing tele again for a games console? I thought this madness died with the celtic tiger. There's no reason a 4 yearold full-fat HD tele of decent quality won't be good enough for a PS4.

Your assuming that people haven't saved up for this expenditure? I personally saved up for my new TV (as well as having normal savings as well), and I pay my bills etc on time, and don't owe a penny to anyone.

Calling people buying a new TV Celtic tiger madness is nonsense. Not everyone buys these things on credit, with money they don't have. Many work hard, and save money for the things that they want, and save a budget correctly so that they can afford them.

Flaccus

The problem with 4 year old sets is a lot of them have atrocious input lag which is why some gamers use a monitor instead; as they are very sensitive to this sort of thing. This is a gaming forum after all.

Sony in the last 12-18 months (W series) and some Samsung sets (F5400 to F6800) have really come on leaps and bounds. So now you can have tv which is close enough to a dedicated gaming monitor performance wise. The Sony W32W653 was around 350 euro not so long ago in Argo which I thought was excellent value for money. Of course some people like smart tv features also which the newer sets have in spades, and there is the 3d thing, which I never really liked.

If none of those interest you, and you are a casual gamier then perhaps an older set will do the job just fine. They do have one advantage over all the new ultra slim led's though - that is they are using backlit ccfl's tech - which don't usually suffer from backlight bleeding/clouding due to not using edge lit led's which usually have to employ some sort of micro dimming to hide the big flashlights in the corners.

drunkmonkey

Pioneer just announced there back in the TV game in Europe, just led, http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/11/pioneer-to-start-building-tvs-again-but-not-plasmas/
They were top of their game when they pulled out, is it worth waiting a few weeks to see what's released in December?

lertsnim

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

On the whole thought of this thread though: Most people here seem to have 1080 tele of four or five years or less and we're talking about changing tele again for a games console? I thought this madness died with the celtic tiger. There's no reason a 4 yearold full-fat HD tele of decent quality won't be good enough for a PS4.

Please don't tar everybody with the same brush. As already outlined not everybody takes out loans for a new tv. I plan on getting one myself in January but with money that has been sitting in my bank account waiting for the sales.

Flaccus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Pioneer just announced there back in the TV game in Europe, just led, http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/11/pioneer-to-start-building-tvs-again-but-not-plasmas/
They were top of their game when they pulled out, is it worth waiting a few weeks to see what's released in December?

Will be interesting to see what their new LED's are like. They first actually started building them just before they pulled out of Plasma. Remember buying one in Savins in Limerick. About the same as a typical Samsung or Sony picture wise, better build quality, minus all the smart tv features.

drunkmonkey

Savins still stock Pioneer, going by that announcement it looks like they'll only be available through Dixons/PC World etc. I'm not holding out much hope though as I think Panasonic bought all the rights to their Kuro technology.

RoyalCelt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What plasma did she burn, the TV's I mentioned shouldn't suffer from that problem if broken in properly. It's a thing of the past.

At the screen size your looking at I think your really missing out if you don't go view a high end panny and compare it to an led, the picture is like chalk and cheese. Your going to have to go to a specialist store as most places don't stock them, but the picture on a panasonic neo plasma has to been seen, it's won every TV award it's been up for this year and last.
Have a read of these reviews if you haven't already http://awards.whathifi.com/awards/2013/televisions and http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-tv_round-up_Page-1

This is probably worth a watch, there very respected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOFZgCV0dq4

Pretty sure it was a 50" plasma for abot 1000$ ad she only got it in march. Was in arnotts today and i have to say the plasmas didn't impress at all. The LED TV looked way better and the OLED looked great too but it's way too pricey. The 4k TV's were amazing but also too pricey. The Samsungs looked by far the best but they had no Sony or LG so I'll need to fin a store with them first before choosing.

RoyalCelt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Plasma is more expensive than led, so it's not going to bring your budget down but richersounds here on boards might do you a very good deal on one as Panasonic have just announced there stopping production of Plasma, they bought Pioneers Kuro technology from them when it nearly broke Pioneer making plasma.
Salesmen push led as there cheap and look good under the bright lights in Harvey Normans.
Do your research and you'll baffle most TV salesmen, and odds are most places won't have the high end screens in stock and hence won't appreciate them or try and sell them.
See how many places you visit that will have a ZT60 in stock. Probably one of the best screens at the moment.
Try the richersounds thread for prices.

I was in Arnotts today and they had OLED and 4k TV's for up to 8000€ so that's not an issue. I believe what you say and the Plasma's prob only stand out in the dark but I don't plan on getting severve eye strain so I'll be playing my PS4 and Blu Rays with the lights on! Plus the LED's will save money on my bills and the iput lag for games will be less!

RoyalCelt

flynner13 wrote: »

I'm torn between Hd131Xe Projector Amazon link or a 46" Sony/Samsung.

Having read reviews on AV forums etc, the projector seems like an unbelievable purchase for next gen gaming, but it's the size and having to set up my room to suit the projector that is putting me off.

The Tv I've been looking at is any of the newer Samsung F6000 range.
Samsung UE46F6800 46-inch Widescreen 1080p Full HD 3D Slim LED Smart TV with Dual Core Processor


Price range is sub ~1000, but am intersted to hear what other people are buying in anticipation.

My research tells me the SONY 2013 range is the best for quality and value but haven't seen them in the flesh. Head into arnots and they have that whole Samsung range on show. After you pull yourself away from their OLED and 4k displays check out their LED 40"'s (i think) showing the life of pi trailer. Costs about 1000€ but they look mighty fine. Much better than any TV you'd have bought before a year ago for that price. PS4 should look amazing on it.

RoyalCelt

wes wrote: »

Yeah, forgot about the W653, which is also excellent. Using my W805, as my PC monitor as well, so one of the reasons, I went for that model. Everything I have read would suggest, you can't go to wrong with any of the Sony 2013 tv's for gaming, for the most part.

Glad you all seem to confirm the SONY 2013's are good for gaming and so they should be considering they make the PS4!

How would you rate them for watching sports, normal TV and Blu-ray's?

Stuart085

I actually have a Pioneer plasma, excellent machine however its getting on a bit now and I'll have to upgrade it at some stage.

The two best brands to buy are Panasonic for plasma and Samsung for LCD. Plasma generally has a faster response time, but the higher end LCDs have ultra high contrast images with perfect blacks.

Sony's use Samsung display panels

RoyalCelt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Complete and utter nonsense, your argument is that LED is better than plasma because it has a higher DPI, your dismissing the best TV's agreed by users and experts in the world right now based on this. I know you have a 42led but trying to make it out to have a better picture than the current crop of Panasonic Plasma's is farcical.
I know the poster above with the Panasonic GT is sitting back giggling at you and your DPI.

I think you need to pop into arnotts and take a look at their LED's compared to the Plasmas. The new wave of LED's not even including the OLED's or the 4k sets look better than the Plasma's. Well the Samsung ones at least and the Sony range is meant to be even better. Yes this is all in bright lights but I plan on playing my ps4 in a well lit room as i don't feel like ruining my eyes!

RoyalCelt

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

On the whole thought of this thread though: Most people here seem to have 1080 tele of four or five years or less and we're talking about changing tele again for a games console? I thought this madness died with the celtic tiger. There's no reason a 4 yearold full-fat HD tele of decent quality won't be good enough for a PS4.

mine is over 6 years old so I'm due an upgrade just want to pick the right one. That's why I made this thread. Also some of chose to spend our money on things like these. Others chose cars or nice houses. Each to their own.

RoyalCelt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Savins still stock Pioneer, going by that announcement it looks like they'll only be available through Dixons/PC World etc. I'm not holding out much hope though as I think Panasonic bought all the rights to their Kuro technology.

The Panasonic TV's on display in Argos looked crap compared to the Samsung equivalents. How have they gone back so far?

Stuart085

Also, I use a BenQ w1080st projector which is absolutely astounding in detail. Perfect for movies and games, I regularly play GTA5 on a 250 Inch screen. The projector is 3m back between our sofas

RoyalCelt

Stuart085 wrote: »

I actually have a Pioneer plasma, excellent machine however its getting on a bit now and I'll have to upgrade it at some stage.

The two best brands to buy are Panasonic for plasma and Samsung for LCD. Plasma generally has a faster response time, but the higher end LCDs have ultra high contrast images with perfect blacks.

Sony's use Samsung display panels

Almost all online tech sites agree that the SONY 2013 models have the best input lag and the best picture quality at good value when it comes to gaming. None of them recommend any Plasma's over the Sony/Samsung LED's but they all say the Sony W900A models just shade the Samsung equivalents.

By the sounds of it, it won't really make much difference which way you go and having seen the Samsung in the flesh compared to others such as Panasonic I can now confirm they look great. Just need to check out the Sony models so I can make the judgement for myself!

RoyalCelt

Stuart085 wrote: »

Also, I use a BenQ w1080st projector which is absolutely astounding in detail. Perfect for movies and games, I regularly play GTA5 on a 250 Inch screen. The projector is 3m back between our sofas

would input lag not be a big issue with projectors? if you're big into online games they that could be a problem..

Stuart085

RoyalCelt wrote: »

would input lag not be a big issue with projectors? if you're big into online games they that could be a problem..

Na, my projector has a 18ms response time which is not noticable

RoyalCelt

Stuart085 wrote: »

Na, my projector has a 18ms response time which is not noticable

That's great. New nothing about the input lag just thought it would be bad. I've no room for one of them unfortunately so I'll be sticking with a TV for now!

drunkmonkey

RoyalCelt wrote: »

The Panasonic TV's on display in Argos looked crap compared to the Samsung equivalents. How have they gone back so far?

DID run arnotts, they do not stock the screens any of us mentioned so it's not possible to compare them. Besides Savins in Limerick and Richer Sounds in Belfast I'm not sure where you can see them, the sales staff you've spoken to haven't seen them either by the sounds of it.

This years reviews:

What Hifi: http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-tx-p55vt65b

CNet : http://reviews.cnet.com/best-tvs/

Trusted reviews: http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-tv_round-up_Page-1

There all well over your budget but panasonic will be blowing out there high end screens so it's the time to get a bargain, the €1500 might nab at telly worth well more than that.

Next year might see the OLED screens come into price reach, if there was no major rush I'd hold out.

Regardless of your screen choice if you haven't a surround sound or some kind of av set up its worth thinking about in your budget, a good sound set up with whoofer etc really takes games and movies to another level.
It's all well within budget.
If you were stuck for room this is a bit of a genius of a sound bar
http://www.trustedreviews.com/philips-htl9100_Surround-Sound-System_review . I haven't heard it but it's getting great reviews. It does away with the need for running wires.

A 55 inch 4k TV for under $2000, http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/12/hisenses-4k/

I was going to go down the projector route myself, again within budget but the OH put a stop to it. Again it's worth looking into if your allowed.

drunkmonkey

Stuart085 wrote: »

I actually have a Pioneer plasma, excellent machine however its getting on a bit now and I'll have to upgrade it at some stage.

If it's a 6090 or 600a give me first dibs ; )

RoyalCelt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

DID run arnotts, they do not stock the screens any of us mentioned so it's not possible to compare them. Besides Savins in Limerick and Richer Sounds in Belfast I'm not sure where you can see them, the sales staff you've spoken to haven't seen them either by the sounds of it.

This years reviews:

What Hifi: http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-tx-p55vt65b

CNet : http://reviews.cnet.com/best-tvs/

Trusted reviews: http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-tv_round-up_Page-1

There all well over your budget but panasonic will be blowing out there high end screens so it's the time to get a bargain, the €1500 might nab at telly worth well more than that.

Next year might see the OLED screens come into price reach, if there was no major rush I'd hold out.

Regardless of your screen choice if you haven't a surround sound or some kind of av set up its worth thinking about in your budget, a good sound set up with whoofer etc really takes games and movies to another level.
It's all well within budget.
If you were stuck for room this is a bit of a genius of a sound bar
http://www.trustedreviews.com/philips-htl9100_Surround-Sound-System_review . I haven't heard it but it's getting great reviews. It does away with the need for running wires.

A 55 inch 4k TV for under $2000, http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/12/hisenses-4k/

I was going to go down the projector route myself, again within budget but the OH put a stop to it. Again it's worth looking into if your allowed.

I'll be playing with head phones on so won't be going with surround sound and won't be waiting for an OLED to come into my price range. I need it soon! The Sony 900 seems to get good reviews on that and I'm not saying it's the best TV just suggesting it might be the best choice for the PS4. Going to do some more research now.

RoyalCelt

OK first thing I've come across is this. It has the Sony W900 as the #1 for 2013.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyI4TdwzgME

Stats listed are:
55 inch (perfect for me)
Refresh Rate 240Hz
The best ever input lag of 10ms (I presume he means for a TV of this size)
Price just over 2000$ (I'm sure I could get a lot cheaper in January or with my bartering skills a little earlier!)

DrunkenMonkey I'm not going to say there is no other TV for my budget that is slightly better or equal but I don't think I'll be disappointed if I end up going with that!

OK off to do some more digging!!

RoyalCelt

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1496371/tv-for-ps4-gaming

This forum seems to know their stuff as well. Yes the Plasmas can have great picture but the unput lag and prices in general are putting me off. Some good praise for the w900 on there too.

"I've owned the Sony W9 since May. It's PQ is stunning when playing games and watching movies. What's great is game mode supports 4:4:4 color mapping.
If you can swing the price I can't praise it enough. The quantum dots really improve the color accuracy. Its on par with the best plasmas. It's also very easy to calibrate. I can't wait to see how the PS4 will look on it. Currently you won't find a better overall TV for gaming. My next reco would be the Sony W8 series."

The guy in that forum can't afford it but it was interesting to hear that other guys feedback.

Here is another. Unlike him I'm hoping i can get a deal to bring the one I chose below 2000 so I can afford it.

"I pick up my Playstation 4 this week and I have been debating this same question for 4 months now. Never pulling the trigger until I am absolutely sure. I have bounced around with ST60s, VT60s, W9, W8s, 7100s, F8000s etc. As of this weekend I have finally decided on the Vizio M. I am picking mine up tomorrow in fact at my local BB. Plasmas are good. But I don't want a set I have to baby. Its just a simple truth of the technology. With games like Minecraft with the static bar at the bottom to first person shooters and their minimaps. I feel a lot of what "I do" would make me worry about the set. F8000 has above average input lag. Like 50 ms. I would certainly consider it if I was just watching movies. But with gaming as the primary focus of this set I have talked myself out of it. The Sony W900a is probably the best gaming tv out right now IMO. But $2,000 for a 55in is kind of crazy. Especially for someone with rent and student loans. :P

Bang for buck is certainly the Vizio M. Average Input Lag. 8 MS responce time. Passive 3D half the price of the W9 at the same size. Its one of the rare set at 55in and at that price point where you get 240hz..

Just my mind set. Ultimately get something that makes YOU happy."

RoyalCelt

Look at the unput lag for big TV's in general. But note the 55" ones. Sony is killing it and that is very important to me when choosing a TV for the PS4 primarily..

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list

It's incredibly low for a TV that size.

RoyalCelt

CNET did a lag test as well showing how far SOny are ahead. It's too be expected I suppose considering they make gaming consoles.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/

Have to say I've learned more about TV's over the last week from a lot of sources including this thread than I have in my entire life!

RoyalCelt

Here's an opinion from IGN.

"1. Go LED.
2. Go no less than 1080p 120 Hz (1080p 240 Hz for 3DTV).
3. Go no less than 3 HDMI inputs.
4. Go no less than 40" regardless of how small your room is.
5. Buy from the following brands (in order): Samsung, Sony, Sharp, Panasonic, LG, Vizio.
6. Test TV brightness on the showroom and go with the one that has the brightness/contrast set up at the lowest range. I.e. if contrast & brightness are all the way to the maximum for the TV to stand out, chances are that TV is pretty crappy.

Bonus: If you get a 3D TV with the specs above for the same price, go that route instead"

I'd have to say I agree with most of that. I couldn't comment on sharp but I would exclude LG considering their input lag is horrible.

RoyalCelt

HThis article is well worth a read.

http://www.techradar.com/news/television/tv/top-7-gaming-tvs-for-the-xbox-one-and-ps4-1158413

The top 3 they've listed are as follows:

1. Sony W905 series
2. Panasonic GT60 series
3. Samsung F8500

I think I can safely say if any of us were to buy any of the top 3 we won't be disappointed when we hook up our shiny new PS4's.

We will all have our personal preferences for whatever reason, be it a specific feature or brand loyalty. I can tell you one thing though, I'll be damned if I don't end up buying one of those 3 and I'd advise anyone else out there to do the same!

Here is CNET's PS4//Xbox One TV video Review:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57589240-221/best-low-lag-hdtvs-for-serious-gamers/

The 2 Sony's coming in on top. Have to say i'm shocked at how Sony have turned it around. When I bought my LG 6 years ago nobody had anything good to say about them and it seems many of their old TV stereotypes still linger around.

drunkmonkey

The Sony that came in on top for lag got 6 out of 10 for picture quality, I wouldn't let lag be the decider, aim for the best picture quality as that's what's really going to impress you living with it.
Decent headphones will give you more of an advantages than 10ms versus 50ms. 50/1000's of a second is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Just looked up my own telly for input lag, it's a 5 year old plasma and has an input lag of 25ms and reference quality picture. TV's are going backwards by the looks of it. Surprised me as I was expecting way higher lag because of its age.

Stuart085

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If it's a 6090 or 600a give me first dibs ; )

Haha! It's the PDP-436XDE which has the seperate tuner box with all the hdmi connections ect, nothing on the panel itself which is great as it's on the wall. Paid through the nose for it at the time 3500 sterling