Best TV for the PS4?

RoyalCelt

My head is mashed going through hundreds of written / video reviews.

I've narrowed it down to a few I think are best for me. I'm open to other suggestions if you have any. These are the requirements:

• Budget would be about €1500 preferably.
• The most important thing is that it's the best TV for the PlayStation 4 coming out in a few weeks.
• I'll also be watching Blu-Ray's and DVD's plus a lot of sport.
• The added "Smart" features are not a must but they are nice to have.
• 55" or 60" are my preferences. Not really enough room for bigger.

From my research these are the TV's I think are best for me in order.

1. 55" Class (54.6" diag) W900A Internet TV
   
2. 60" (diag) R550A Series LED Internet TV
   
3. 55" Class (54.6" diag) W802A Series LED Internet TV

I know they're all Sony but a lot of well respect reviewers recommended the first two I've listed as the best things out there for gaming right now in their price range.

My current TV is a 42" Toshiba which is OK but about 5 years old. I really want something that will wow me and really show off the games I play on the PS4 and the movies I watch!

Can you tell me if you'd recommend any of them and if not what would you recommend instead and why.

All help greatly appreciated!

drunkmonkey

Would have to be a Panasonic Plasma hands down, do you have a really bright room that you need an led TV? Picture is pants compared to a reference quality Panasonic.
The Samsung 55F8000 and the Panasonic TX-P55VT65B would be my 2 picks. Could be the right time to pick up the Panasonic at a good price as they've announced there stopping making Plasma.

RoyalCelt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would have to be a Panasonic Plasma hands down, do you have a really bright room that you need an led TV? Picture is pants compared to a reference quality Panasonic.
The Samsung 55F8000 and the Panasonic TX-P55VT65B would be my 2 picks. Could be the right time to pick up the Panasonic at a good price as they've announced there stopping making Plasma.

After extensive research I've found Plasma is not the best for gaming. So that's my reason for the LED LCD which also has decent lighting due to the local LED's which also lowers your electricity bill.

Was speaking to a friend on skype and she said her 50" plasma already has image burns on areas of the screen from playing video games. She only bought it in march so I'm going to stay away from them.

Another thing is input lag. Plasmas have to do a lot of processing so there is a lag between the time you press a button on your controller and when that action shows up on screen. LCD's and LED's also get this but only if you put the settings too high. (Above 120HZ I think).

drunkmonkey

What plasma did she burn, the TV's I mentioned shouldn't suffer from that problem if broken in properly. It's a thing of the past.

At the screen size your looking at I think your really missing out if you don't go view a high end panny and compare it to an led, the picture is like chalk and cheese. Your going to have to go to a specialist store as most places don't stock them, but the picture on a panasonic neo plasma has to been seen, it's won every TV award it's been up for this year and last.
Have a read of these reviews if you haven't already http://awards.whathifi.com/awards/2013/televisions and http://www.trustedreviews.com/best-tv_round-up_Page-1

This is probably worth a watch, there very respected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOFZgCV0dq4

wes

The first 2 have really low input lag:

Sony KDL-47W805A LED Smart TV Review

and

Sony KDL55W905A 3D LED TV Review

Also, this might be of interest:
TV Input Lag Test Database

The sizes reviewed may be different then what your looking at, but I assume that the should all have low input lag. Everything I have read online would suggest that pretty much all the 2013 Sony TVs are excellent for gaming. Even some of the cheaper smaller sets are suppose to be good for gaming.

I think the W905 is suppose to best, as its there top of the line model. I have a 42 Inch W805 and its excellent for gaming. Everything runs smoothly for me, as long as I put the tv in game mode for that input. Played PC games and PS3 games so far, and they run great for me, and I haven't noticed any perceptible lag myself. The models your looking at should have similar performance.

jonerkinsella

Plasma all the way baby. All the sales man crap you hear about screen burn ,image retention is a thing of the past.the very distant past. I have been gaming on a plasma for the last 3yrs. Plasma has a 10 times faster than Lcd response time and has a far ,far better picture than lcd. All lcd,led screens are the same ancient tech that will give you variations in light bleed,colour,frosting throughout the screen . Lcd is grand if you want to burn your eyeballs out with bright flashing colours and look great under shop floor lighting . Plasma does not look as good on a shop floor ,but when you get it home and set it up in a room ,not facing a window and not with direct sunlight on the screen you will see why all the serious av heads use plasma. It is a far more natural looking image and very pleasing on the eye.

ShadowHearth

You do Realise that the bigger TV will make PS4 games look crapier? You better off sticking to 42inch, but a good one, then mediocore big ass lump.
If you want to be WoWed, then size is not the thing to go for, its not bigger dick contest.

Dont be "console fanboy"

http://youtu.be/g-5PhVANIaQ?t=33m27s

drunkmonkey

ShadowHearth wrote: »

You do Realise that the bigger TV will make PS4 games look crapier? You better off sticking to 42inch

Plasma gets better the bigger you get, 50 is way better than 42 but 65 is awesome.

ShadowHearth

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Plasma gets better the bigger you get, 50 is way better than 42 but 65 is awesome.

DUBLINHITMAN

Ive a 42inch Samsung led 3d smart tv
just hoping its good enough for next gen

drunkmonkey

ShadowHearth wrote: »

IMG

Can you provide a link to even one led TV that's been in the top 3 TV's of the year anytime in the last 6 years?
I'm face palming here myself that people think led is even in the same league as plasma.

It's all about the black ; )

DUBLINHITMAN

Its all about personal preference
ive never seen an article that stats the best tv for gaming .

but ill have another look now cause if it means
your genuinely getting the best tv for gaming tgen you have the ultimate and nothi g can come close

shuffles03

This is a good thread. I'm also looking to pickup a new tv in Jan (sorry for crashing the thread op). I too was looking at a Sony W9 series (47"). Why do salesmen always tout led over plasma? Is plasma better for gaming, Blu Ray and how come it's so much cheaper?

These are genuine questions here, I want to make the best decision possible. LED always looks so much better compared to plasma. Can someone break down store displays versus real life scenarios?

My budget too was roughly €1100-€1500 but if plasma brings that down, brilliant!

Cheers.

drunkmonkey

Plasma is more expensive than led, so it's not going to bring your budget down but richersounds here on boards might do you a very good deal on one as Panasonic have just announced there stopping production of Plasma, they bought Pioneers Kuro technology from them when it nearly broke Pioneer making plasma.
Salesmen push led as there cheap and look good under the bright lights in Harvey Normans.
Do your research and you'll baffle most TV salesmen, and odds are most places won't have the high end screens in stock and hence won't appreciate them or try and sell them.
See how many places you visit that will have a ZT60 in stock. Probably one of the best screens at the moment.
Try the richersounds thread for prices.

ShadowHearth

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Plasma is more expensive than led, so it's not going to bring your budget down but richersounds here on boards might do you a very good deal on one as Panasonic have just announced there stopping production of Plasma, they bought Pioneers Kuro technology from them when it nearly broke Pioneer making plasma.
Salesmen push led as there cheap and look good under the bright lights in Harvey Normans.
Do your research and you'll baffle most TV salesmen, and odds are most places won't have the high end screens in stock and hence won't appreciate them or try and sell them.
See how many places you visit that will have a ZT60 in stock. Probably one of the best screens at the moment.
Try the richersounds thread for prices.

Plasma is not as godly as you trying to make it look m8. Just by simple googling you can see very easy charts and articles on the comparison. Each of them god good points and bad points. Like LED is brighter and Plasma reproduces better blacks. Lifespam of LED is about 100k hours and Plasma 20-60k hours. Plasma is better for Moving pictures due to gases fast response time, but Plasma still got some Burn in problems left and takes 3 times more Electricity then LED, the list goes on.
Plasma and LED are bouth pretty girls, but I would not put Plasma is best thing in the world since Fish&Chips.

Then again, you still did not understood my point about picture quality depending on size. Its all about resolution. You can buy your 60inch Plasma with all extras and it will still look worse then a nice smaller LED ( or even smaller plasma at that ). Resolution stays the same and the Size of pixels then plays the major role.

Yes, I got myself a nice simple Samsung 42ich Led TV for my Ps4 in my mancave. It does the job perfect already with PC and Ps3. If I would need to buy another TV, I would go again with LED, as it is better for me.

drunkmonkey

You haven't a clue what your talking about if you think a 42 inch led looks better than a good 60 inch plasma. Have you ever even seen one of the TV's I mentioned in the flesh?

Ri_Nollaig

He is comparing the DPI of the screens, which whether its a 22" or an 80" would be vastly different (assuming 1080p). This is before getting into colour reproduction, black levels, response rates, etc etc.

I too might upgrade the TV for the ps4, I am currently using a Sony 32" LCD from early 09. Still does the job grand so in no rush and might see what kinda price we will be talking about once 4K screens start appearing.

TheDoc

I'm not sure what the latest and greatest are, but it was always I assumed known that Plasma is a massive no no for gaming. LED can also leave alot to be desired making alot of things look "brigther" then their LCD counterparts. Although I accept LED benefits and plus' are pretty sweet.

I'll be doing some hunting in the Janaury sale for a new Tv to go along with my Ps4, at present I only have a 720p 32" telly so I want to stretch out to 40-42 at 1080p ( debatable if it would even be noticeable at those screen sizes)

But one thing for sure is that unless the technology has DRASTICALLY changed in the last 18 months, Plasma won't even factor into the equation for me.

Super Sidious

I'm torn between Hd131Xe Projector Amazon link or a 46" Sony/Samsung.

Having read reviews on AV forums etc, the projector seems like an unbelievable purchase for next gen gaming, but it's the size and having to set up my room to suit the projector that is putting me off.

The Tv I've been looking at is any of the newer Samsung F6000 range.
Samsung UE46F6800 46-inch Widescreen 1080p Full HD 3D Slim LED Smart TV with Dual Core Processor


Price range is sub ~1000, but am intersted to hear what other people are buying in anticipation.

Flaccus

wes wrote: »

The first 2 have really low input lag:

Sony KDL-47W805A LED Smart TV Review

and

Sony KDL55W905A 3D LED TV Review

Also, this might be of interest:
TV Input Lag Test Database

The sizes reviewed may be different then what your looking at, but I assume that the should all have low input lag. Everything I have read online would suggest that pretty much all the 2013 Sony TVs are excellent for gaming. Even some of the cheaper smaller sets are suppose to be good for gaming.

I think the W905 is suppose to best, as its there top of the line model. I have a 42 Inch W805 and its excellent for gaming. Everything runs smoothly for me, as long as I put the tv in game mode for that input. Played PC games and PS3 games so far, and they run great for me, and I haven't noticed any perceptible lag myself. The models your looking at should have similar performance.

The Sony 42W653 is the TV with the lowest input lag
If its gaming you want mainly for PS4 and not movies then I would recommend this over the 905 (or the 805 which is IPS so while great for PC's has very poor black levels), as you will be turning off all the fancy picture processing anyway and running this in game mode with no interpolation so it will be native 50hz. The Leo Bodnar input lag test but's it at 15ms. I have the 32 inch version specifically for console gaming (a bit more lag on that but I don't notice it).
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl42w653-201308113237.htm

If you want an allround set I think the 905 (and the Samsung F8000) are the best you can get when it comes to LED, with the F8000 just having too much lag for gaming. But I agree with drunkmonkey, Plasma is far superior. That's why I have a 50 inch Panasonic GT60. You just can't compare with LED. Plasma has much deeper blacks, wider viewing angles and far far better motion with zero blurring. The minuses for me is sometimes I get temporary image retention but that usually goes in a few hours. Occasional phosphor trails as well but very hard to spot. The trade off is worth it considering the possibility of clouding/flashlighting/dse/blurring..all issues which regularly affect led (though have been lucky with the sony). As regards Plasma for gaming, although some of the lag tests that HDTV and Avforums use put Plasma behing some of the best LEDS; the way Plasma works is different and the user perception is that plasma in general feels like it has lower lag than led. My recommendation is a Panasonic 42 or 50 inch GT60. You won't regret it.

Flaccus

flynner13 wrote: »

I'm torn between Hd131Xe Projector Amazon link or a 46" Sony/Samsung.

Having read reviews on AV forums etc, the projector seems like an unbelievable purchase for next gen gaming, but it's the size and having to set up my room to suit the projector that is putting me off.

The Tv I've been looking at is any of the newer Samsung F6000 range.
Samsung UE46F6800 46-inch Widescreen 1080p Full HD 3D Slim LED Smart TV with Dual Core Processor



Price range is sub ~1000, but am intersted to hear what other people are buying in anticipation.

Friend has this set. Actually the F6500 which is same set with different stand. Input lag is in low 30's. One of the better ones for console gaming. I would go for this over the Samsung F7000 or F8000 which has ridiculous amounts of lag. Also excellent black levels, decent 3D if thats your thing, and lots of smart features where Samsung are probably the leader

ShadowHearth

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You haven't a clue what your talking about if you think a 42 inch led looks better than a good 60 inch plasma. Have you ever even seen one of the TV's I mentioned in the flesh?

I am no expert, but I do know a few things thanks to pc technology and I know how to use Google to find information. Once again you proved that you don't have a clue yourself about modern panels and why Dpi is the most important factor in screens these days.
I wish you all the best with plasma screens and the biggest you can find as that's what you prefer, but please stop giving false information on these forums. You do more damage then good, even if your intentions are good.

wes

Flaccus wrote: »

The Sony 42W653 is the TV with the lowest input lag
If its gaming you want mainly for PS4 and not movies then I would recommend this over the 905 (or the 805 which is IPS so while great for PC's has very poor black levels), as you will be turning off all the fancy picture processing anyway and running this in game mode with no interpolation so it will be native 50hz. The Leo Bodnar input lag test but's it at 15ms. I have the 32 inch version specifically for console gaming (a bit more lag on that but I don't notice it).
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/sony-kdl42w653-201308113237.htm

If you want an allround set I think the 905 (and the Samsung F8000) are the best you can get when it comes to LED, with the F8000 just having too much lag for gaming. But I agree with drunkmonkey, Plasma is far superior. That's why I have a 50 inch Panasonic GT60. You just can't compare with LED. Plasma has much deeper blacks, wider viewing angles and far far better motion with zero blurring. The minuses for me is sometimes I get temporary image retention but that usually goes in a few hours. Occasional phosphor trails as well but very hard to spot. The trade off is worth it considering the possibility of clouding/flashlighting/dse/blurring..all issues which regularly affect led (though have been lucky with the sony). As regards Plasma for gaming, although some of the lag tests that HDTV and Avforums use put Plasma behing some of the best LEDS; the way Plasma works is different and the user perception is that plasma in general feels like it has lower lag than led. My recommendation is a Panasonic 42 or 50 inch GT60. You won't regret it.

Yeah, forgot about the W653, which is also excellent. Using my W805, as my PC monitor as well, so one of the reasons, I went for that model. Everything I have read would suggest, you can't go to wrong with any of the Sony 2013 tv's for gaming, for the most part.

Flaccus

wes wrote: »

Yeah, forgot about the W653, which is also excellent. Using my W805, as my PC monitor as well, so one of the reasons, I went for that model. Everything I have read would suggest, you can't go to wrong with any of the Sony 2013 tv's for gaming, for the most part.

If they made the W805 in smaller size (32") I would have considered it as a tv/pc monitor for the viewing angles and more accurate colours. Don't have room for a proper media centre setup as this is in a small office.

Regarding the whole dpi thing; I made the decision to go 32 inch for the PS4 and I have it on one of my desks and sit a couple feet from it. Of course the pixel density is going to be way too low using it as a dedicted PC. Everything looks blocky in windows. That's what I have my 1440p 27" monitor for on the other desk. So the tv is only for PS4 games and movies which 1080P is suited for (currently using it with Xbox 360).

Having said all that if I had the room for a 42" in the same room, I'm sure once you are sitting back far enough (say 6 feet away at least), the dpi to the human eye resolves itself to the same as a 32 inch a couple feet away. But I prefer up closeup gaming, so I did not see any advantage in going over 32 inch.

I still think plasma gives a superior picture if movies in a darkish room is your goal. And the viewing angles and motion just cannot be beat. That's why I recommend for big screen viewing plasma is still the way to go. It's just that Panasonic are not making enough money out of Plasma and I suppose they will likely plough their cash into OLED tech now. I wonder will their Plasmas go up or down in price shortly ?

TheIrishGrover

Well, I have a 51in plasma. [This One] and I love it. Of course the fabled DPI/PPI Is going to be less on a larger screen than a smaller screen but I found this TV to be great. I had my 360 (Which I traded in for a PS4), and still have my PS3 and my High-end HTPC connected to it along with my Blu-Ray player etc. I checked out that uploaded 1080 60FPS Killzone footage on it with my PC and it looked fantastic. Vibrant colours, no problems with refresh-rate etc. No ghosting or blurring, No dimming or popping. Lovely

the fact of the matter is that, obviously, the larger the screen the less Pixels Per Inch you are going to have. It's really up to the individual on what they think.

I know 4K TVs are the next thing apparently. And they have been coming down in price (in the Far East anyway) a lot faster than I would have thought. But it'll be at least 7-10 years before I concider buying one. i'm certainly not going to buy one until the majority of broadcasts are available in 4K which I cannot see happening for at least another 8 years. and by that time they'll be saying 4K is sh*te and it's all about full-on 8K rez

TomCo

I bought a TX-P42UT50E (Panasonic Plasma) earlier this year for gaming, I researched the pros and cons meticulously before hand.
The difference in electricity cost really isn't a big deal, I think it amounts to an extra 20-40 quid a year at most (the tv is Class C). Also, I fall asleep with static screens on all the time and I haven't suffered any permanent burn in (worst I got was some very faint after images of the netflix menu which lasted about an hour).

The contrast, viewing angles, colours and ghosting are better than any of the LCD tv's I've owned in the past.

Ri_Nollaig

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

I know 4K TVs are the next thing apparently. And they have been coming down in price (in the Far East anyway) a lot faster than I would have thought. But it'll be at least 7-10 years before I concider buying one. i'm certainly not going to buy one until the majority of broadcasts are available in 4K which I cannot see happening for at least another 8 years. and by that time they'll be saying 4K is sh*te and it's all about full-on 8K rez

Its the nature of the game

drunkmonkey

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Once again you proved that you don't have a clue yourself about modern panels and why Dpi is the most important factor in screens these days.

Complete and utter nonsense, your argument is that LED is better than plasma because it has a higher DPI, your dismissing the best TV's agreed by users and experts in the world right now based on this. I know you have a 42led but trying to make it out to have a better picture than the current crop of Panasonic Plasma's is farcical.
I know the poster above with the Panasonic GT is sitting back giggling at you and your DPI.

RobertKK

I have an LED 42 inch TV, it has a great picture quality and I like LED because it uses a lot less than an LCD which in itself would use less electricity than a plasma.

If one is happy with the picture their TV provides that is what matters, after that arguments are over personal choices.

ShadowHearth

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Complete and utter nonsense, your argument is that LED is better than plasma because it has a higher DPI, your dismissing the best TV's agreed by users and experts in the world right now based on this. I know you have a 42led but trying to make it out to have a better picture than the current crop of Panasonic Plasma's is farcical.
I know the poster above with the Panasonic GT is sitting back giggling at you and your DPI.

Jaysus.... What planet do you live on? Or you just read, what you want to read? I just give up. I have no time to battle with high layers of thickness.

TheIrishGrover

On the whole thought of this thread though: Most people here seem to have 1080 tele of four or five years or less and we're talking about changing tele again for a games console? I thought this madness died with the celtic tiger. There's no reason a 4 yearold full-fat HD tele of decent quality won't be good enough for a PS4.