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25% of Irish men in their 20s have slept with another man
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Hi,
Although I hear where most people on this thread are coming from (I'm assuming it's from there own perspective, which is right) I think that if people look at the bigger picture that sexuality is actually a spectrum, (I will try and explain that in a moment) but basically if your happy and not being a stalker, I'm happy with whoever you want to fall in love with and have a relationship with. Basically everyone deserves to fall in love, and be loved, who they love and who loves them is none of my business, it's the couples end of.
Now another point I would like to clarify, is that I'm Trans MtoF, I'm think some people are confusing sexual identity, to gender identity. Which I can understand to a certain degree, (and this is not the thread to discuss those differences) but my only point is a guy who sleeps with a pre-op transgendered person is still sleeping with the same person as a post op transgendered person, eg the trangendered person hasn't changed their sexuality, it just society has changed their (own) perspective about labeling the couple (to a certain degree that is the first part of a spectrum, it's not binary, it exists in between two extremes.)
So if my gender can be a spectrum, therefore it is easy for my sexuality to be. Also if I can't define my gender, it actually makes it very difficult to define (or label) my sexuality, seen as gender defines sexuality. (just throwing it out there to think about)
Lastly I'm not surprised about the stats, I hang around, with a lot of straight guys and women (yes they would define (or label themselves as straight)) and I would actually agree with their definition that they our heterosexual people, although at least 25% have had a same sex sexual encounter at some stage of their lives. Which at the end of the day brings me back to my first point, if they are happy, I'm happy. I'm happy as a friend, to feel that my friend's should be happy.
(I just try to ignore the envy I feel :P)0 -
Pug if you actually wanted to be better informed about the whole thing, a trip over to the LGBT forum here on Boards even is a bit of an eye opener
I won't overload you but I don't know either if you've ever heard the expression "on the down low" (now the Wiki page references particularly black men but it's not unheard of among white men or indeed black women or white women!), and then, of course, there are heterosexual men who have relationships with pre- and post-op transexual persons, and if you get your head around that one, then you may be interested to read about "a THIRD gender" which was recently given legal recognition in Germany.
But that's what I've been saying all along. Most of these so-called ''straight'' people who go on to experiment or have gay encounters were probably attracted to the same sex in the first place, or had a certain amount of attraction but swept it under the carpet. People lie about things all the time to protect their reputation or ego and all sorts of other stuff.
As for transsexuals, some of them physically look like women so I can see why an otherwise straight man might, in some cases be attracted to one. That's when it goes more complicated, admittedly.0 -
Maximus Alexander wrote: »What the fuck happened to the other 10pc of men?
Bad article is bad.
Yep, that's the funky interpretation and presentation of the data I was referring to in an earlier post. I figured the missing 10% were in the "rather not say" camp. The published article in the Sunday Independent gave a much more comprehensive picture rather than just the attitudes to sexuality of Irish 30-somethings, but sure nothing draws a pair of eyeballs like the mention of sex
The rest of the survey wasn't very sexy
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Frank Black wrote: »Oh.
That must be a bummer.
No, you're still not getting it. They wouldn't be in to that at all! 0 -
Frank Black wrote: »Asexual = Celibate?
No not exactly, I would consider myself a TG MtoF, bisexual, asexual. (they would be the labels that other people need, to understand me) but I've experience sexual encounters with many different sexuality, but I simply don't feel sexually attractive to anyone, so therefore I would actually consider myself actually asexual, not attracted sexual attracted to anyone. I still feel the need to be close to people, but an sexual encounter with anyone means as much to me as the word "Blah" to most people, it non descriptive to me, I would get more excited about my favorite flavor ice cream.
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »No, you're still not getting it. They wouldn't be in to that at all!
I'll keep teeing them up.
You keep knocking them down.0 -
GoldenLight wrote: »No not exactly, I would consider myself a TG MtoF, bisexual, asexual. (they would be the labels that other people need, to understand me) but I've experience sexual encounters with many different sexuality, but I simply don't feel sexually attractive to anyone, so therefore I would actually consider myself actually asexual, not attracted sexual attracted to anyone. I still feel the need to be close to people, but an sexual encounter with anyone means as much to me as the word "Blah" to most people, it non descriptive to me, I would get more excited about my favorite flavor ice cream.
If you don't feel any sexual attraction to anyone, how do you know you're bisexual?0 -
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mango salsa wrote: »Interesting. Apparently I'm arrogant and have a persecution complex for pointing out a few quotes.
mango if you can't see the irony in the above... come on now!Sorry but again your posts are being condescending and patronising and indeed the bit about - 'oh they can't change' is actually passive agressive as well.
Leaving aside yet again mango the irony that you would politely apologise and yet call me out for being condescending and patronising, that being the very definition of passive aggressive; what I mean when I say these people, regardless of their sexuality or gender identity (be they hetero, homo, bi, cis, trans, you get the idea), sometimes they really are just born assholes that will find any reason, some reason, to set themselves apart and see themselves as either -
1. persecuted and ostracised for being superior when all others about them are inferior (insert your own reasons here)
2. persecuted and ostracised because they feel society sees them as inferior (again, insert your own reasons here)
I mean, if we're expected to acknowledge the complexity of sexuality, should we also not be open to acknowledging the fact that a person's sexuality has no bearing on their morality, it's only the person themselves puts constraints on their sexuality with their morality.
In short, just because a person is LGBT or heterosexual, etc, doesn't mean they can't still be an ignorant prick with a persecution complex. That's borne out of insecurity, not sexuality.0 -
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