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25% of Irish men in their 20s have slept with another man

Muahahaha

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/men-are-more-likely-to-have-samesex-experiences-29749603.html

I'm usually loathe to reproduce anything by the Indo but in this instance it was a poll of 1,000 people so therefore statistically significant.

Results show that 13% of Irish men in their thirties have slept with another man. For Irish men in their 20s that rises to 25%, one in every four.

The poll doesn't specify exactly what is meant, it just says that 25% of Irish men in their 20s have had a sexual encounter with another man. I suppose in theory that could cover men who have had threesomes with another man and a girl.

Still though pretty surprising results, you big pack of dirty dogs !

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GoldenLight

Hi,

Although I hear where most people on this thread are coming from (I'm assuming it's from there own perspective, which is right) I think that if people look at the bigger picture that sexuality is actually a spectrum, (I will try and explain that in a moment) but basically if your happy and not being a stalker, I'm happy with whoever you want to fall in love with and have a relationship with. Basically everyone deserves to fall in love, and be loved, who they love and who loves them is none of my business, it's the couples end of.

Now another point I would like to clarify, is that I'm Trans MtoF, I'm think some people are confusing sexual identity, to gender identity. Which I can understand to a certain degree, (and this is not the thread to discuss those differences) but my only point is a guy who sleeps with a pre-op transgendered person is still sleeping with the same person as a post op transgendered person, eg the trangendered person hasn't changed their sexuality, it just society has changed their (own) perspective about labeling the couple (to a certain degree that is the first part of a spectrum, it's not binary, it exists in between two extremes.)

So if my gender can be a spectrum, therefore it is easy for my sexuality to be. Also if I can't define my gender, it actually makes it very difficult to define (or label) my sexuality, seen as gender defines sexuality. (just throwing it out there to think about)

Lastly I'm not surprised about the stats, I hang around, with a lot of straight guys and women (yes they would define (or label themselves as straight)) and I would actually agree with their definition that they our heterosexual people, although at least 25% have had a same sex sexual encounter at some stage of their lives. Which at the end of the day brings me back to my first point, if they are happy, I'm happy. I'm happy as a friend, to feel that my friend's should be happy.

(I just try to ignore the envy I feel :P)

Pug160

Czarcasm wrote: »

Pug if you actually wanted to be better informed about the whole thing, a trip over to the LGBT forum here on Boards even is a bit of an eye opener

I won't overload you but I don't know either if you've ever heard the expression "on the down low" (now the Wiki page references particularly black men but it's not unheard of among white men or indeed black women or white women!), and then, of course, there are heterosexual men who have relationships with pre- and post-op transexual persons, and if you get your head around that one, then you may be interested to read about "a THIRD gender" which was recently given legal recognition in Germany.

But that's what I've been saying all along. Most of these so-called ''straight'' people who go on to experiment or have gay encounters were probably attracted to the same sex in the first place, or had a certain amount of attraction but swept it under the carpet. People lie about things all the time to protect their reputation or ego and all sorts of other stuff.

As for transsexuals, some of them physically look like women so I can see why an otherwise straight man might, in some cases be attracted to one. That's when it goes more complicated, admittedly.

Czarcasm

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

What the fuck happened to the other 10pc of men?

Bad article is bad.

Yep, that's the funky interpretation and presentation of the data I was referring to in an earlier post. I figured the missing 10% were in the "rather not say" camp. The published article in the Sunday Independent gave a much more comprehensive picture rather than just the attitudes to sexuality of Irish 30-somethings, but sure nothing draws a pair of eyeballs like the mention of sex

The rest of the survey wasn't very sexy

Xeyn

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

What the fuck happened to the other 10pc of men?

Bad article is bad.

It says in the article. 2% asexual. 2% no interest in sex 3% don't know, 3% won't say.

Maximus Alexander

Xeyn wrote: »

It says in the article. 2% asexual. 2% no interest in sex 3% don't know, 3% won't say.

Well I think that, at the very least, 98% of us can agree that these people are weird.

smurgen

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's good for you, but how can you speak for every man? How do you know what every man has done?

And gay men turning straight people gay...Jesus.

Laughable.

Some straight men are horny beeps and will take a bj off anyone when the're drunk.

(The lady doth protests too much, comes to mind).

I said gay men thinking they can turn straight men gay not actually doing it. Also I'm very very comfortable with my sexuality and have.worked with plenty of gay fellas and I've learned a lot from them. However I do think gay men lack respect for the sexuality of straight men sometimes.
A gay man coming onto a straigh man can make a straight man feel uncomfortable in certain circumstances,it has happened to me before. Id image it's exactly how a woman feels when someone they really don't find attractive keeps coming up to them.I felt uncomfortable not because I was.afraid of being gay but because I was repulsed physically by the person and did not appreciate the attention.

Frank Black

Xeyn wrote: »

It says in the article. 2% asexual. 2% no interest in sex 3% don't know, 3% won't say.

What's the difference between asexual and bisexual from a practical point of view?

Maximus Alexander

Frank Black wrote: »

What's the difference between asexual and bisexual from a practical point of view?

They are literally exact opposites.

Frank Black

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

They are literally exact opposites.

Asexual = Celibate?

Maximus Alexander

Frank Black wrote: »

Asexual = Celibate?

No, you can be celibate and straight, or celibate and gay, or celibate and bisexual. Asexual people are actually not sexually attracted to anyone.

Frank Black

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

No, you can be celibate and straight, or celibate and gay, or celibate and bisexual. Asexual people are actually not sexually attracted to anyone.

Oh.
That must be a bummer.

Maximus Alexander

Frank Black wrote: »

Oh.
That must be a bummer.

No, you're still not getting it. They wouldn't be in to that at all!

GoldenLight

Frank Black wrote: »

Asexual = Celibate?

No not exactly, I would consider myself a TG MtoF, bisexual, asexual. (they would be the labels that other people need, to understand me) but I've experience sexual encounters with many different sexuality, but I simply don't feel sexually attractive to anyone, so therefore I would actually consider myself actually asexual, not attracted sexual attracted to anyone. I still feel the need to be close to people, but an sexual encounter with anyone means as much to me as the word "Blah" to most people, it non descriptive to me, I would get more excited about my favorite flavor ice cream.

Frank Black

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

No, you're still not getting it. They wouldn't be in to that at all!

I'll keep teeing them up.
You keep knocking them down.

Frank Black

GoldenLight wrote: »

No not exactly, I would consider myself a TG MtoF, bisexual, asexual. (they would be the labels that other people need, to understand me) but I've experience sexual encounters with many different sexuality, but I simply don't feel sexually attractive to anyone, so therefore I would actually consider myself actually asexual, not attracted sexual attracted to anyone. I still feel the need to be close to people, but an sexual encounter with anyone means as much to me as the word "Blah" to most people, it non descriptive to me, I would get more excited about my favorite flavor ice cream.

If you don't feel any sexual attraction to anyone, how do you know you're bisexual?

GoldenLight

Frank Black wrote: »

If you don't feel any sexual attraction to anyone, how do you know you're bisexual?

As I pointed out in my post they are labels people would feel comfortable in calling me by, the reason bisexual is in there is because I have had relationships with both men and women, I did feel close to them, I would actually define it as loving them. But I have to say one thing that was missing for me was sexual attraction.

I surpose it's similar to feeling infinitely comfortable with someone, trusting them beyond trusting yourself, that sort of feeling, wanting to hold them protect them, be with them forever. But I was lacking in something that they need to feel important, that was sexual desire. It's just something I simply don't understand cause I've never felt it, but I do understand how much people care about it, because I've observed how important it is to them.

Oddly enough I'm the first person my friends will tell about important relationship issues, maybe cause I do actually care, but I'm non emotional invovled. Oh Idon't know, I'm just me really :eek:

Annasopra

smurgen wrote: »

I think you're very, very wrong. Straight men know exactly what they want and it's has nothing got to do with same sex encounters.I'm not trying to sound macho or anything but I'd be physically repulsed by having a sexually encounter with another male. Some gay men don't seem to understand this and think they can "turn" straight men,it's a dangerous way of thinking that could get them into a lot of trouble if they tried it on with the wrong guy.

Some straight men have had sex with other men. Get over it.

Annasopra

up for anything wrote: »

I think that is very untrue and unfair. I've seen very little sign of that in Ireland in the last ten years. Up till then I'd only known one gay person (I'd probably known more but not that they were gay). Since then it seems most have come out of the closet and I've rarely seen anyone snigger or be immature about about homosexuality.

You clearly haven't read this thread.

deco nate wrote: »

Any holes a goal....

Corvo wrote: »

I wonder when my time to sleep with a man is. Today, tomorrow, next week?

And will I be pitching or catching?

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Seems like a deliberately open ended (ohh err) question designed to produce as sensationalist and inflammatory a result as possible.

mathie wrote: »

Poop-chute sex.

Next question.

suicide_circus wrote: »

a cock in your arse?

chopper6 wrote: »

It will when it's your turn in the barrell!

A.Partridge wrote: »

So, what they're saying is that one in four of us has dropped anchor in Pooh Bay?

NO WAY, I TELL YA.

NO WAY. :mad:

Czarcasm

mango salsa wrote: »

Some straight men have had sex with other men. Get over it.

I don't think there was much to get over here mango in all fairness. hotmail.com was coming out with ridiculous generalisations and trying to make out like "a lot" of heterosexual men literally think "any hole is a goal" and will engage in gay sex with the main objective being just to get their rocks off.

In other words they were doing the same as the Sunday Independent survey - peddling utter nonsense and if anyone questions them or challenges them on it, they are immediately regarded as homophobic just because they're asking that another poster stop kidding himself and projecting his gay fantasies as fact.

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of drunk straight blokes will take a blow job off a man or a woman. They don't care.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ehh, no, they won't actually, and yes, they do care. Just because a survey says 25% of men in their 20s have had same sex encounters, that doesn't mean we should allow gay and lesbian people to lose the run of themselves and start projecting their fantasies as fact.

hotmail.com wrote: »

How do you know?

Czarcasm wrote: »

More to the point, seeing as you made the comment, how do YOU know?

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's good for you, but how can you speak for every man? How do you know what every man has done?

And gay men turning straight people gay...Jesus.

Laughable.

Some straight men are horny beeps and will take a bj off anyone when the're drunk.

(The lady doth protests too much, comes to mind).

Czarcasm wrote: »

Indeed she does...

hotmail.com wrote: »

Some, not all men. I'm not referring to every man. Just ask a gay man have they given a bj to a straight man. Most of them will say yes.

Czarcasm wrote: »

So no different to straight men then that will brag about their "conquests" with all those women just falling at their feet, eh?

Gay men are gay, that doesn't mean they can't still be full of shìt.

Czarcasm

mango salsa wrote: »

You clearly haven't read this thread.

mango they said they've RARELY seen anyone snigger or being immature about sex, and you point out 7 comments in a thread that's got how many posts in it now? (I can't see as I'm on touch), but all honesty, I think you're just looking to point fingers now at this stage and get up on your moral high horse.

How many of those seven posts have you reported btw? You know only too well homophobia is not tolerated on AH, but if you don't report the posts, you're not giving the Moderators a chance to take action on them.

Annasopra

Czarcasm wrote: »

mango they said they've RARELY seen anyone snigger or being immature about sex, and you point out 7 comments in a thread that's got how many posts in it now? (I can't see as I'm on touch), but all honesty, I think you're just looking to point fingers now at this stage and get up on your moral high horse.

How many of those seven posts have you reported btw? You know only too well homophobia is not tolerated on AH, but if you don't report the posts, you're not giving the Moderators a chance to take action on them.

Ah come on now Czarcasm dont be so patronising and condescending - he said he had rarely seen sniggering and I pointed out some examples.

Czarcasm

mango I genuinely wasn't being condescending or patronising (I think I may have to change my username soon, you're not the first person who's pointed that out mango but my posts definitely aren't meant to come across that way), but if you look at the original post and the generalisation that was made about Irish people -

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It brings to mind Patrick Kavanagh and his "wink and elbow language of delight" from Inisjeen Road.

The immaturity and sniggering of Irish people with regard to homosexuality knows no boundaries and still thrives

I responded to it myself -

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yes, how dare anyone mock some ball of shìte survey by some rag newspaper and a crap radio station. The one or two people getting up on their high horses about this crap is what's immature.

The figures are hardly surprising when you drill down into them (I've read the full survey in last weeks Sunday Independent), and a couple of same sex experiences does not a gay man nor lesbian woman make!

I don't see any issue here tbh, you think some silly survey of 1,000 people purporting to be representative of Irish opinion warrants serious discussion?

That's about as valid as saying a couple of people having a laugh about a ridiculous statistic and how it's interpreted, is representative of Irish people's attitudes to sex.

But I also forgot to add that in that same survey, was a statistic that 78% of the same data set were in favor of same sex marriage. Hardly an indicator of immature homophobia and "fear of the ghey" as another poster misguidedly put it.

Up for anything then posted an opinion that contradicted the usual stereotypes some LGBT people have of most heterosexual people, that they are immature and ignorant, etc-

up for anything wrote: »

I think that is very untrue and unfair. I've seen very little sign of that in Ireland in the last ten years. Up till then I'd only known one gay person (I'd probably known more but not that they were gay). Since then it seems most have come out of the closet and I've rarely seen anyone snigger or be immature about about homosexuality.

Ireland strikes me as a good country to live in if you're gay.

And instead of acknowledging this as something to be positive about, you hopped off them for it -

mango salsa wrote: »

You clearly haven't read this thread.

The persecution complex and the impression some LGBT people have of people who do not identify as LGBT fosters just as much ignorance and contempt as those people they claim are persecuting them.

It's an arrogant way of going on, but thankfully the majority of people I've met aren't like that, regardless of their sexuality or gender identity. But the people that are like that? Well, they were just born that way too. They can't change who they are either.

stoeger

One time in band camp

stoeger

One time in band camp

stoeger

One time in band camp

Annasopra

Czarcasm wrote: »

mango I genuinely wasn't being condescending or patronising (I think I may have to change my username soon, you're not the first person who's pointed that out mango but my posts definitely aren't meant to come across that way), but if you look at the original post and the generalisation that was made about Irish people -

I responded to it myself -

But I also forgot to add that in that same survey, was a statistic that 78% of the same data set were in favor of same sex marriage. Hardly an indicator of immature homophobia and "fear of the ghey" as another poster misguidedly put it.

Up for anything then posted an opinion that contradicted the usual stereotypes some LGBT people have of most heterosexual people, that they are immature and ignorant, etc-

And instead of acknowledging this as something to be positive about, you hopped off them for it -

The persecution complex and the impression some LGBT people have of people who do not identify as LGBT fosters just as much ignorance and contempt as those people they claim are persecuting them.

It's an arrogant way of going on, but thankfully the majority of people I've met aren't like that, regardless of their sexuality or gender identity. But the people that are like that? Well, they were just born that way too. They can't change who they are either.

Interesting. Apparently I'm arrogant and have a persecution complex for pointing out a few quotes.

Sorry but again your posts are being condescending and patronising and indeed the bit about - 'oh they can't change' is actually passive agressive as well.

old_aussie

So a quarter of Ireland are

Czarcasm

mango salsa wrote: »

Interesting. Apparently I'm arrogant and have a persecution complex for pointing out a few quotes.

mango if you can't see the irony in the above... come on now!

Sorry but again your posts are being condescending and patronising and indeed the bit about - 'oh they can't change' is actually passive agressive as well.

Leaving aside yet again mango the irony that you would politely apologise and yet call me out for being condescending and patronising, that being the very definition of passive aggressive; what I mean when I say these people, regardless of their sexuality or gender identity (be they hetero, homo, bi, cis, trans, you get the idea), sometimes they really are just born assholes that will find any reason, some reason, to set themselves apart and see themselves as either -

1. persecuted and ostracised for being superior when all others about them are inferior (insert your own reasons here)

2. persecuted and ostracised because they feel society sees them as inferior (again, insert your own reasons here)

I mean, if we're expected to acknowledge the complexity of sexuality, should we also not be open to acknowledging the fact that a person's sexuality has no bearing on their morality, it's only the person themselves puts constraints on their sexuality with their morality.

In short, just because a person is LGBT or heterosexual, etc, doesn't mean they can't still be an ignorant prick with a persecution complex. That's borne out of insecurity, not sexuality.

smurgen

mango salsa wrote: »

Some straight men have had sex with other men. Get over it.

Yes and I would classify those men as bisexual.very passive aggressive tone to your post,what's with the hostility?

Annasopra

smurgen wrote: »

I think those men are called bisexual.

No. The clue was when I said straight.