Sean O'Rourke Today Show

Callan57 · 06-11-2013 11:08AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

It's a public hospital. It should be adequately funded from the government.

Define adequately - it does not mean unlimited.
Secondly the government does not fund it - the taxpayers fund it. I don't know any tax payer who wants an increase in taxation so that unlimited resources can be thrown into the black hole that is the health service.

georgesstreet · 06-11-2013 11:15AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

It's a public hospital. It should be adequately funded from the government.

That appears to come under the category of "shoulda woulda coulda"

You still have not said why it is wrong for them to try to raise extra money by fundraising. All hospitals raise money in various ways and if your view is this is "wrong" , then thats an unusual view.

IvyTheTerrible · 06-11-2013 11:21AM

georgesstreet wrote: »

That appears to come under the category of "shoulda woulda coulda"

You still have not said why it is wrong for them to try to raise extra money by fundraising. All hospitals raise money in various ways and if your view is this is "wrong" , then thats an unusual view.

I didn't say it was wrong that they fundraise, I meant it's wrong that they have to.

georgesstreet · 06-11-2013 11:31AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I didn't say it was wrong that they fundraise, I meant it's wrong that they have to.

I know. And I have no idea why you think that is wrong, as I assume you don't think every hospital should just send all their bills to the government (ie the taxpayers) and all their bills are paid without question?

artful_codger · 06-11-2013 11:59AM

Could this gob****e interviewer not have gone somewhere else than a Pub full of Cark drunks?

Hermy · 06-11-2013 12:19PM

georgesstreet wrote: »

I know. And I have no idea why you think that is wrong, as I assume you don't think every hospital should just send all their bills to the government (ie the taxpayers) and all their bills are paid without question?

It was good enough for the banks to have all their debts paid by the government so why not the children's hospitals?

michael999999 · 06-11-2013 01:16PM

Hermy wrote: »

It was good enough for the banks to have all their debts paid by the government so why not the children's hospitals?

Because bertie and he's cronies couldn't get any backhanders from a hospital!

georgesstreet · 06-11-2013 02:54PM

Hermy wrote: »

It was good enough for the banks to have all their debts paid by the government so why not the children's hospitals?

For one reason the banks bills are once off and limited.

Hospital bills would be unlimited, and would go on forever, every single year.

If that's what you really want, as a taxpayer, to continue to pay unlimited bills for every hospital in Ireland, for evermore, then you really have not thought it through.

flynnlives · 06-11-2013 02:57PM

really wish they would change the intro music/jingle and ad-break music back to the old style.
This speeded up version sounds horrible. I know they wanted to disassociate Pat from the show but the music is well known and should have remained.

Either that or create a completly new one.

Callan57 · 06-11-2013 03:33PM

georgesstreet wrote: »

For one reason the banks bills are once off and limited.

Hospital bills would be unlimited, and would go on forever, every single year.

If that's what you really want, as a taxpayer, to continue to pay unlimited bills for every hospital in Ireland, for evermore, then you really have not thought it through.

And also there is absolutely no incentive for hospital management to make any effort to reign in costs or work smarter & more efficiently and of course no incentive for the medical profession either.
That is exactly how FF govts worked during the "boom" ... just fire away, keep spending & then when inevitably the money runs out start on the emotional blackmail.

Hermy · 06-11-2013 04:14PM

georgesstreet wrote: »

For one reason the banks bills are once off and limited.

Really?

The Pontiac · 06-11-2013 06:48PM

Due to the cráp reception of NewsTalk the last few days, I've been listening to Sean O'Rourke.

I much prefer him on this type of show rather than the news slot he did previously. Interesting show at times. The Tony Blair interview today was very good, and Sean didn't hold back with the questions re. Iraq.

georgesstreet · 07-11-2013 02:01PM

Hermy wrote: »

Really?

You seize on the irrelevant and avoid the substantive. If you are shocked at the cost of the bank bail out (and who is not?) then think through how much the government underwriting all bills for all hospitals for the next 10, 20, or 50 years might cost.

In any case its not some sort of competition. The idea of the government funding all bills for all hospitals is as stupid as it is financially illiterate

Call me Al · 07-11-2013 04:42PM

Jimmy Deenihan wasn't exactly a barrel of laughs this morning!

Harry Angstrom · 07-11-2013 07:19PM

Call me Al wrote: »

Jimmy Deenihan wasn't exactly a barrel of laughs this morning!

He seemed to get odd when Sean O'Rourke made a jokey remark at the start of the interview. Easy to make him cranky.

Hermy · 07-11-2013 08:18PM

georgesstreet wrote: »

You seize on the irrelevant and avoid the substantive.

Pot kettle.
I never said all bills for all hospitals.

snubbleste · 08-11-2013 10:18AM

Up next:
Paddy O'Gorman goes among the students :eek:

georgesstreet · 08-11-2013 10:46AM

Hermy wrote: »

Pot kettle.
I never said all bills for all hospitals.

Why not tell us what you do believe?

The original post was that it is disgraceful that hospitals have to fund raise. So if they are not to fund raise, who should pay their bills?

Either the person paying their bills (the taxpayer) must pay all their bills, or else they have to put a cap on what bills they will pay for.

So if you think that through, if the taxpayer puts a cap on the amount we can pay ( the only sensible conclusion) then hospitals will want to fundraise, as they all do, for extra things.

Anyone who thinks that is "disgraceful" must conclude that they think the taxpayers should pay all bills from all hospitals.

artful_codger · 08-11-2013 11:00AM

God i feel like i'm in a Nursing home, listening to this JFK ****e. In 50 years time the OAPs will be reminiscing about the 'visit' of the Troika lads. Sure weren't they lovely.

georgesstreet · 08-11-2013 11:06AM

Have you considered switching to something else, maybe even on wifi radio? there are hundreds of other stations out there some of which you might enjoy.

artful_codger · 08-11-2013 11:09AM

georgesstreet wrote: »

Have you considered switching to something else, maybe even on wifi radio? there are hundreds of other stations out there some of which you might enjoy.

No, i'm stuck with RTE, every other radio station is blocked in work, except for Newstalk but that's no accessible this morning.

georgesstreet · 08-11-2013 11:13AM

artful_codger wrote: »

No, i'm stuck with RTE, every other radio station is blocked in work, except for Newstalk but that's no accessible this morning.

I didn't know it was possible to block all but two radio channels? Why would someone choose to block all but two stations? I am trying to think through the logic of that, that the employees are compelled to listen to just two stations. What is the logic in that?

gordongekko · 08-11-2013 11:16AM

georgesstreet wrote: »

I didn't know it was possible to block all but two radio channels? Why would someone choose to block all but two stations? I am trying to think through the logic of that, that the employees are compelled to listen to just two stations. What is the logic in that?

bore them to tears so hopefully they will do some work instead of listening to the radio.

Happyman42 · 08-11-2013 11:18AM

georgesstreet wrote: »

I didn't know it was possible to block all but two radio channels? Why would someone choose to block all but two stations? I am trying to think through the logic of that, that the employees are compelled to listen to just two stations. What is the logic in that?

He/She works in RTE?

artful_codger · 08-11-2013 11:22AM

georgesstreet wrote: »

I didn't know it was possible to block all but two radio channels? Why would someone choose to block all but two stations? I am trying to think through the logic of that, that the employees are compelled to listen to just two stations. What is the logic in that?

McAfee Web Gateway classifies Websites into categories, so most radio steams would fall under a blocked category. RTE.ie and the Newstalk.ie are probably categorised as 'news' rather than 'radio' by the Software, so aren't currently blocked.

Lapin · 08-11-2013 11:31AM

Is compulsory fake laughter following Oliver Callan's clips written into the contract of RTÉ presenters ?

L1011 · 08-11-2013 11:35AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

He/She works in RTE?

RTE's internal cable TV system has about 30 channels on it, mostly not theirs, and their net isn't heavily filtered either :pac:

Lapin · 08-11-2013 11:47AM

Very valid points there regarding waste in the HSE.

They want to close a state of the art unit in Ballinasloe that was recently upgraded at a cost of €4 million and transfer the facilities (and patients) to a new site to be built on a car park in UCHG in Galway city.

Having spent half an hour trying to find a parking space in UCHG this morning I can see how ludicrous this decision is in more ways than one.

The pen pushers in the HSE haven't a clue what the concept of reality is.

But hey, since when did they ever concern themselves with the welfare of patients when spending your money and mine ?

Callan57 · 08-11-2013 12:16PM

There is a fatalism creeping in about the HSE & a view emerging that nothing can be done to improve, let alone, fix it.
It has become a gigantic money swallowing monster

georgesstreet · 08-11-2013 12:52PM

artful_codger wrote: »

McAfee Web Gateway classifies Websites into categories, so most radio steams would fall under a blocked category. RTE.ie and the Newstalk.ie are probably categorised as 'news' rather than 'radio' by the Software, so aren't currently blocked.

So your employer is playing you the radio from a computer? Is this then fecd into some sort of amplifiction system and you have no control over it at all?

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