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SportyDaddy wrote: »

Hi everyone,

I have a 4 bed bungalow currently been heated by oil. I am looking to install an inset boiler stove in the hope that i can leave the oil boiler switched off most of the time. The thing is though i am set on using timber only. Obviously the timber i use will need to be bellow the 20% moisture content. I am considering the Esse350 GS or the Stratford EB16i both of which are getting good reviews. Is there anyone out there heating a bungalow using one of these models burning timber only? Is it possible? Will i be looking at very large amounts of timber?

Another option that has been sold to me recently is the idea of a warm air distribution insert stove which heats multiple rooms via a series of insulated ducts in the attic which is pushed through using a fan. The model is the Start7 from BEF Home - does anyone have any opinions on this type of heating and on the stove itself?

Cheers guys.

From an Esse users perspective, go with the 350 if you can. The installer of mine was in awe as he was putting it in.

To say it's solid is an understatement. In order to heat radiators though you're going to be feeding an immense amount of timber daily.

Why are you so set on one fuel? 350 is multifuel and well able for coal.

improv_12 wrote: »

Yes you are right it is not a passive house - alot of these terms are quite new to me and I am having to get up to speed with more new things every day. It will be A3 with MVHR and pretty air tight.

Thanks for the tip on the stove. I hear good things about the Morso brand. With regards to a boiler - that was the question do very low output boier stoves exist that have direct air?

I found some Vlager Boiler Stoves that were low output but they are not direct air:

http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Villager-Esprit-Stoves.html

How many KW do you need to the room and how many for the boiler?

SportyDaddy wrote: »

Hi everyone,

I have a 4 bed bungalow currently been heated by oil. I am looking to install an inset boiler stove in the hope that i can leave the oil boiler switched off most of the time. The thing is though i am set on using timber only. Obviously the timber i use will need to be bellow the 20% moisture content. I am considering the Esse350 GS or the Stratford EB16i both of which are getting good reviews. Is there anyone out there heating a bungalow using one of these models burning timber only? Is it possible? Will i be looking at very large amounts of timber?

Another option that has been sold to me recently is the idea of a warm air distribution insert stove which heats multiple rooms via a series of insulated ducts in the attic which is pushed through using a fan. The model is the Start7 from BEF Home - does anyone have any opinions on this type of heating and on the stove itself?

Cheers guys.

I recently put in a warm air distribution system in my parents home from a regency stove. Or rather I helped my brother in law who installs these systems all the time in The Czech Republic, do it.

The stove has 36kw output and just about heats the house (6 bedroom 3,000sq ft converted 19th century parnelite house) 2 rooms furtest from the stove don't get as much heat as the others. It would certainly heat your house and wood burning is certainly the way to go for both envirionmental and cost reasons as it is does not attract carbon tax.

Hi, would really appreciate some advice regarding the above. If anybody has either one of these installed I would love to hear how you are getting on with them. Slightly concerned from reading reviews of the eb12 that there is not enough heat to the room & the cara + is only 3.6kw to the room. Our room is 17ft x 15ft. 4 double rads, 3 towel radiators & 5 single rads. These will not all be turned on all the time. Any advice or any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

stellab wrote: »

Hi, would really appreciate some advice regarding the above. If anybody has either one of these installed I would love to hear how you are getting on with them. Slightly concerned from reading reviews of the eb12 that there is not enough heat to the room & the cara + is only 3.6kw to the room. Our room is 17ft x 15ft. 4 double rads, 3 towel radiators & 5 single rads. These will not all be turned on all the time. Any advice or any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

I have the EB12 inset stove. Very happy with it. Room is 17 ft x 13. Heats all rads and hot water no probs. Very well built strong stove. Having seen the stanley cara in another house, I wasn't impressed.

Anyone think it would be a good idea to have a dedicated Stove sub-forum?


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87185185#post87185185

It would be easier to search, navigate, respond and share info.

Sanchez83 wrote: »

http://henleystoves.com/boiler-stoves/the-skellig-8kw-stove

Ive seen a few good black or brown enamel prices on these lately

Sanchez: I was called to look at a Henley stove at a house yesterday as the elderly couple has had it 2 years and claim it never heated the radiators. On my inspection I can 100% say that the boiler has been manufactured incorrectly, the cold water is coming on the bottom of 1 side and traveling only the distance up to the nearest outlet, This is a very common problem with boilers made in china as they don't understand the baffle arrangement needed inside the boiler to bring the water around the full water jacket, And to make matters worse when they rang and complained someone came out and knew there was a problem but tried to disguise it by taking the thermostat out of the pocket and resting it under the top casting so after 5 mins the thermostat would get hot and close the primary air and not allow them to get a roaring fire even if they want to. This is another case that will probably be settled out of court and the public will never know about it, But people should know this as I feel it's disgraceful that these pop up companies are setting up flooding the market with crap just for a quick buck.

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Stay well clear of the Heritage stoves as the chances if them being around in 5 years for parts are slim to none.
They are stoves which are being imported by right price tiles which they have branded as Heritage recently.
As soon as they have their money made or alternatively close down like alot of them do,then your in trouble.

Olymberyl are relatively well established so are a slightly safer bet but be wary that they are only distributed in Ireland,their company owner is Chinese.

While other brands like Stanley,Henley,Mulberry etc are made abroad,they are at least Irish owned.

One small point on heat outputs! If a company cant show you a cert to verify a heat output then its more than likely only an estimated maximum so take it with a pinch of salt.Always look for a cert and nominal heat output imo.
I know Henley and heat design have them available in most of their retailers for most of their stoves.

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Thanks Sanchez... yep my own feeling is that the Heritage Stove is not exactly of the finest quality. Its really hard to differentiate the real mcCoy though from the fakes and copies....even more difficult to differentiate what is quality and what's not and even when dealing with copies and fakes ... what represents good 'value'.


I am now looking also at the Mulberry Yates 10kw boiler €850-ish
and still at the Olymberyl Olive boiler 10kw €670

Mulberry it seems are partly made in Ireland .. (the main casting I'd expect still comes from China) with some final assembly and testing in Ireland. But at least I'll have some comeback.

Now ... all depends on what deal I can hammer out of the retailers I suppose.

Hi there

We are hoping to get a small 6 kw stove into a downstairs room.There is no chimney so will be going out through the wall.It is a single storey extension. We are hoping to buy the parts ourselves and then get someone to fit it.
Cam someone tell me exactly what I would need and how I measure for the flue?
Thanks.

...I guess such as stove does not exist :

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87175056&postcount=2635

I was thinking again about airtight houses and stoves. There still seems to be some opinion that the two are not possible - the problem being when you refuel - even with an external direct air supply, correct instalation of flue and MVHR. Any thoughts?

And just another plug for a dedicated stove forum. iIn case any others think that might be a good idea add your support here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057068895

Crazy Eye wrote: »

hi thinking of getting a boiler stove installed for 9 rads in the near future .
do you need a roaring fire going for the stove to even heat the rads to luke warm ?
dont need the house to feel like the bahamas , just lookin to take the chill out of the rooms on cold windy nights .

Just had a boiler insert stove installed, the new morgan hamco. Have to say it heats the rads, all 10 of them comfortably on just a basket of logs burning since this afternoon. Still getting used to controls etc. Plenty of hot water, only problem I am having is the glass is getting browned, will need to find out how to avoid this. Hope this helps, looked around for nearly a year before deciding on a stove, no way were we paying out for 3 fills of oil this winter!!!:D

Katie OS wrote: »

Just had a boiler insert stove installed, the new morgan hamco. Have to say it heats the rads, all 10 of them comfortably on just a basket of logs burning since this afternoon. Still getting used to controls etc. Plenty of hot water, only problem I am having is the glass is getting browned, will need to find out how to avoid this. Hope this helps, looked around for nearly a year before deciding on a stove, no way were we paying out for 3 fills of oil this winter!!!:D

Sounds good do u mind me asking how much you paid for it. Looking for something along the same line.

RubyGirl wrote: »

Sounds good do u mind me asking how much you paid for it. Looking for something along the same line.

Well after much searching and seeking I got the best price from Tuam Heating and Plumbing, Declan Marley there couldn't do enough for me. I live in Dublin and it was cheaper for to get him to deliver from Tuam than companies down the road from me. The guy knows his stuff and what he doesn't know he will ring you back with the answer. I got a lovely oak mantle delivered today from a guy in Tyronne, Colm Campbell, found him on donedeal under oak beams. As with the stove he was cheaper to get from the north to my door and I am very pleased with it. Its a 10" wide by 8" depth by 54" long and to my door for 180 euro. The stove locally was 1565 but I got it from Declan for 1066.

this amazes me how it keeps showing up on forums.i dunno is it other suppliers putting that out there because they sell so well, the last guy on boards.ie i had this discussion with was exactly at that and is banned now probably for trying to advertise his own business. stanley stoves ARE made in waterford i have no business with them only my brother works there with id say 15 years or more and i doubt hes imagining what goes on every day in his work place. ive asked him a million times and ALL there stoves are made there in the factory there. he does it every day. the cast iron is not chinese. they are all made there. they are irish. like i said ive nothing to do with them but when i know for fact that some stuff is just nonsense i might as well say what info i know if it helps someone make a correct decision not one based on bull. its amazing to read so much false info on these forums. QUOTE=guinness queen;87267064]I was told Olymberl was owned by two men from the North of Ireland, that they had their own factory in China, and were one of the better Chinese made stoves. I cannot confirm that. but you could check I am sure. On the other hand Stanley insist that their stoves are made in Waterford, I have been told this several times by both an agent and someone in the Stanley place in Waterford. I know this is not true.
there are some good stoves made in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium and of course England. They might be somewhat more expensive but may be more reliable and hopefully will be around for a while.

I have a Nestor Martin, not so sure if the model is for me, but it is a good stove and throws out enormous heat on wood only. It is roasting hot with anthracite, and I really have to leave the doors open, and this is one cold old stone house. It is a closed model and does not have a boiler.
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