Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

baldbear · 24-10-2013 08:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

But what if they didn't intend to use the passport?
Mine is out of date and I haven't used it since 1996.

Do we know how long they were in the country and how long they were at the present address and why the neighbour reported his/her suspicions only now?

The neighbour only reported the situation now because of the Greece event. Look 20 secs in to this clip before its taken down.

http://dublinopinion.com/

Annasopra · 24-10-2013 08:40PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

The police committed child abdication and assault of minors.

What? the police abducted and assaulted the child?

However, the people of Ireland voted in the children's rights act, which gave these permissions to the state.

This should be ashamed of themselves.

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WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Both children were removed from their family homes under section 12 of the Child Care Act 1991,

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/probe-call-over-roma-child-removals-29694752.html

24-10-2013 08:46PM

baldbear wrote: »

The neighbour only reported the situation now because of the Greece event. Look 20 secs in to this clip before its taken down.

http://dublinopinion.com/

Yep, so racism. It's like the police stopping and searching every black man in Dublin because one black man committed a crime.

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 08:48PM

Chase Little Oxygen wrote: »

Yep, so racism. It's like the police stopping and searching every black man in Dublin because one black man committed a crime.

but racism on the the part of the person reporting , not the garda
as has been said all the way into the thread

Annasopra · 24-10-2013 08:49PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Could people please speak the known facts though instead of makey-uppy ones so that we can actually debate the rights and wrongs of the case and learn from it.

Actually this thread is a complete train wreck of makey uppy "facts"

"facts" about Roma
"facts" about laws on passports
"facts" about the family about to do a vanishing act
"facts" about the Garda investigation
"facts" about the Childrens Rights Referendum
"facts" about what the children looked like
"facts" about TV3
"facts" about the Gardai committing assault

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 08:51PM

mango salsa wrote: »

http://itonlyencouragesthem.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/tv3romachild/

what does that prove?
that does not mention one thing that happened when the garda arrived on site or what transpired after the 2hr visit ,
as i said , NO ONE know what went on when the garda arrived , or what was said by the family , the garda or the social worker

but you know that is what i was talking about , not some tweet

so you cant bash the cops for taking the action they did with out knowing the FULL facts

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 08:51PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Actually this thread is a complete train wreck of makey uppy "facts"[/QUOTE]

just like the one you just posted maybe

Annasopra · 24-10-2013 08:55PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

mango salsa wrote: »

Actually this thread is a complete train wreck of makey uppy "facts

just like the one you just posted maybe

what was that about the family doing a vanishing act that you couldn't stand over?

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 09:12PM

mango salsa wrote: »

dj jarvis wrote: »

what was that about the family doing a vanishing act that you couldn't stand over?

what is that one of the family not doing a runner that you cant stand over either , again , after the fact EVERYONE'S a genius

you have no way of knowing if they would or not - garda took the action in case they did - so i was not the only one thinking that way

but dont let that get in the way of your little sly jab

My name is URL · 24-10-2013 09:13PM

Fix yizzer quotes ffs!

Annasopra · 24-10-2013 09:30PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

what is that one of the family not doing a runner that you cant stand over either , again , after the fact EVERYONE'S a genius

you have no way of knowing if they would or not - garda took the action in case they did - so i was not the only one thinking that way

but dont let that get in the way of your little sly jab

It was complete hyperbole and an irrelevance to introduce that into the conversation and you still can't stand over it

It's one of those "facts" that I was talking about earlier - it was made up and had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion

Annasopra · 24-10-2013 09:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Fix yizzer quotes ffs!

done :pac:

Sala · 24-10-2013 09:51PM

It says in the papers the 7 year old Roma child is Irish. I presume the the passport with the baby picture was an Irish one, and was out of date, given babies only get three year passports. A Roma family with a fixed address and out of date passports does not imply flight risk to me.

K-9 · 24-10-2013 09:52PM

mango salsa wrote: »

What? the police abducted and assaulted the child?

WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/probe-call-over-roma-child-removals-29694752.html

At this stage I don't think there's any point correcting them, it's anti-Referenda/Government porn and they're addicted.

Tombo2001 · 24-10-2013 09:58PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

laughable comment
so if it did turn out the child was kidnapped , you are suggesting they should have brought the kidnapper along , so they could interfere with the witness ??

that is why the child was separated from the rest of the family - until it was confirmed they were the actual family.

BASIC policing world wide

the noise of populace drum banging on this thread is deafening

Interfere with the witness? the witness to what? there was no crime and no witness?

If you mean interfere with the child......well they were running a dna test.....not sure how the roma parents would interfere with that.

Basic policing worldwide?...I'd say you'd know.....

Tombo2001 · 24-10-2013 10:02PM

Sala wrote: »

It says in the papers the 7 year old Roma child is Irish. I presume the the passport with the baby picture was an Irish one, and was out of date, given babies only get three year passports. A Roma family with a fixed address and out of date passports does not imply flight risk to me.

One thing that strikes me quite strongly about this.....

.....what if the child wasn't Irish. What if the child, rather than being born to in the coombe, had been born in Romania....

.....what then? the Gardaí say, oi .....kid doesn't look like you.....come off with us while we track down the maternity hospital in Romania....or if it was a home birth in Romania........how long would that have taken....could the parents even have proven their parentage.....

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 10:05PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Interfere with the witness? the witness to what? there was no crime and no witness?

If you mean interfere with the child......well they were running a dna test.....not sure how the roma parents would interfere with that.

Basic policing worldwide?...I'd say you'd know.....

forgetting that when they arrived it was far from clear that they were the parents- so it could possibly been a case of abduction, the cops are not just going to take the word of someone until it is checked out
if the child was kidnapped they are hardly going to ask the kidnapper along to mind the child are they ?

they keep them apart so the alleged criminal cant intimidate the victim
is not only basic policing practice - its common sense , obviously not that common if it has to be pointed out .

Sala · 24-10-2013 10:05PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

One thing that strikes me quite strongly about this.....

.....what if the child wasn't Irish. What if the child, rather than being born to in the coombe, had been born in Romania....

.....what then? the Gardaí say, oi .....kid doesn't look like you.....come off with us while we track down the maternity hospital in Romania....or if it was a home birth in Romania........how long would that have taken....could the parents even have proven their parentage.....

A DNA test was done. It was that not the records which proved they were her parents. I still don't see why they could not have done this and left her at home, and monitored the family's movements

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 10:08PM

mango salsa wrote: »

It was complete hyperbole and an irrelevance to introduce that into the conversation and you still can't stand over it

It's one of those "facts" that I was talking about earlier - it was made up and had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion

yea i can , its as valid as your opinion , because we were not there , and it has yet to be reported what was said ,
and i did not introduce it , it had been said many time before by other posters , i just happen to agree

can you show the post in question "that i made up facts " , or was i really voicing an opinion

Tombo2001 · 24-10-2013 10:14PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

forgetting that when they arrived it was far from clear that they were the parents- so it could possibly been a case of abduction, the cops are not just going to take the word of someone until it is checked out
if the child was kidnapped they are hardly going to ask the kidnapper along to mind the child are they ?

they keep them apart so the alleged criminal cant intimidate the victim
is not only basic policing practice - its common sense , obviously not that common if it has to be pointed out .

Hang on now.....alleged criminal? were charges brought?

My point to you would be......if you call into one thousand irish houses tonight, I am sure you will find a decent number with kids where the parents couldn't provide documentation that is any better than what these parents produced.

Ergo, should the guards be knocking on doors with emergency orders at all these houses? should they be taking all those kids and running dna tests? or just the kids who don't look like their parents?

omega man · 24-10-2013 10:16PM

Having seen the pic of the 2 year old boy today in the paper I can see how someone raised an eyebrow specifically in light of the Greek incident, rightly or wrongly. To me it's obvious these events wouldn't have taken place if that poor little girl hadn't been discovered in Greece.

Do the people in such shock of the actions of our own authorities believe the Greeks should not have acted the way they did now that you know they weren't the kids parents?

I think the circumstances have heightened a sense of what I can only describe as over alertness but at least those 2 kids are at home now safe with their family while sadly many others around the globe aren't for reasons outside of their own control.

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 10:23PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Hang on now.....alleged criminal? were charges brought?

My point to you would be......if you call into one thousand irish houses tonight, I am sure you will find a decent number with kids where the parents couldn't provide documentation that is any better than what these parents produced.

Ergo, should the guards be knocking on doors with emergency orders at all these houses? should they be taking all those kids and running dna tests? or just the kids who don't look like their parents?

its called investigation , IF they had a concern of kidnapping , then the people in the house could have been kidnappers , then they would have been suspected and kept away from the alleged victim , that is how it works until they find out otherwise - basic stuff

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 10:25PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Hang on now.....alleged criminal? were charges brought?

My point to you would be......if you call into one thousand irish houses tonight, I am sure you will find a decent number with kids where the parents couldn't provide documentation that is any better than what these parents produced.

Ergo, should the guards be knocking on doors with emergency orders at all these houses? should they be taking all those kids and running dna tests? or just the kids who don't look like their parents?

really ??? come on , and i doubt 1000 other houses will have allegations of possible kidnapping leveled against them , but if they did , then the cops have to act , its their job under the law that they have to investigate an ALLEGED crime , its stays as an alleged crime until proven otherwise

clairefontaine · 24-10-2013 10:31PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

really ??? come on , and i doubt 1000 other houses will have allegations of possible kidnapping leveled against them , but if they did , then the cops have to act , its their job under the law that they have to investigate an ALLEGED crime , its stays as an alleged crime until proven otherwise

Guilty before innocent.

So some nosey racist neighbor can call in and say this and boom, the cops are there taking your kids?

Gatling · 24-10-2013 10:35PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Guilty before innocent.

So some nosey racist neighbor can call in and say this and boom, ?

Why is the neighbor racist

darkpagandeath · 24-10-2013 10:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

Why is the neighbor racist

Because some people seem to think dark skinned people cannot have a child that has blond hair and blue eyes

dj jarvis · 24-10-2013 10:40PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

Guilty before innocent.

So some nosey racist neighbor can call in and say this and boom, the cops are there taking your kids?

who said that ?

the key word here is alleged , when an allegation is made , it has to be investigated , that is how it works , no matter how baseless the claim , and especially seeing a child was involved

Gatling · 24-10-2013 10:41PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Because some people seem to think dark skinned people cannot have a child that has blond hair and blue eyes

Take into account the on going Greek case ,now take an average Jo who notices a child that may have looked totally out of place ,who then decides it'd better to be safe than sorry and contacts the gardai ,

Does that make them a concerned person or a racist

1+1 doesn't make 5

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 10:43PM

Gatling wrote: »

I would have done the same considering the Greece case

Ace2007 wrote: »

So are you going to look at the kids of every man/woman you meet on street and if the child has red hair and neither of "parents" do - will you report them?

Hi Gatling, I notice you didn't respond to this question?

Tombo2001 · 24-10-2013 10:44PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

really ??? come on , and i doubt 1000 other houses will have allegations of possible kidnapping leveled against them , but if they did , then the cops have to act , its their job under the law that they have to investigate an ALLEGED crime , its stays as an alleged crime until proven otherwise

exactly, because no one is ringing the police saying these irish people don't look like their kid. but they did it to these roma people.

at the heart of this is bigotry. lets just cut to the chase here. their heaps of people who don't look like their kids. but only the roma family gets a knock on the door.

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