Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1

Oranage2 · 24-10-2013 05:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

My cousin's daughter is mixed race and was questioned - when applying for a driving license - if she was actually related to her mother (because they have different skin tones and different surnames). It upset her quite a bit. That's over in the States where sadly, despite decades of education and progress - institutionalised racism still exists. We have to stamp out any sign of it in Ireland. Otherwise we'll see more incidents such as the thread topic, I'm afraid.

I'm mixed race too and this wouldn't upset me.

Tony EH · 24-10-2013 05:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, we've established that the parents are bona fide. Now we have the case of how the Gardai messed up and what actions should be taken against them and to ensure this type of thing doesn't happen again.

That will be a different case, with different objectives.

mikeym · 24-10-2013 05:12PM

We Irish dont really know much about the Roma gypsies and I suppose the Gardai over reacted by taking a boy away from his natural parents by accident over the Greece incident.

Its a very sensitive issue and the Gardai will have to be more careful in the future.

SterlingArcher · 24-10-2013 05:13PM

As traumatic as this would have been ,The child was not taken to a concentration camp She was removed from the parents for awhile till it was cleared up. If just one child who was taken can be found, then the ends justify the means.

Last thing you need is missing kids going under the radar now because some doodly doo gooder makes such a big deal about this and red tapes it to the point flight risk means nothing.

If anything the parents should take comfort in the fact if their child was the one taken by some family the priority would be the possibility the child was kidnapped.

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 05:13PM

mikeym wrote: »

We Irish dont really know much about the Roma gypsies and I suppose the Gardai over reacted by taking a boy away from his natural parents by accident over the Greece incident.

Its a very sensitive issue and the Gardai will have to be more careful in the future.

But here's the thing, what difference does it make that they were Roma gypsies.

By the logic of everyone on here, it could have been American family, or Spanish or even an Irish one.

Nodin · 24-10-2013 05:14PM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

As traumatic as this would have been ,The child was not taken to a concentration camp She was removed from the parents for awhile till it was cleared up. If just one child who was taken can be found, then the ends justify the means.

Last thing you need is missing kids going under the radar now because some doodly doo gooder makes such a big deal about this and red tapes it to the point flight risk means nothing.

If anything the parents should take solace in the fact if their child was the one taken by some family the priority would be the possibility the child was kidnapped.

O Noes!!!!! Not a "DO-GOODER".............

old hippy · 24-10-2013 05:14PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm mixed race too and this wouldn't upset me.

Excellent but not everyone is able to shake off such unwarranted scrutiny and rudeness.

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 05:15PM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

As traumatic as this would have been ,The child was not taken to a concentration camp She was removed from the parents for awhile till it was cleared up. If just one child who was taken can be found, then the ends justify the means.

Last thing you need is missing kids going under the radar now because some doodly doo gooder makes such a big deal about this and red tapes it to the point flight risk means nothing.

If anything the parents should take solace in the fact if their child was the one taken by some family the priority would be the possibility the child was kidnapped.

How many children having gone missing under the care of the HSE?

SpaceTime · 24-10-2013 05:15PM

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Look at this pic of the Roma boy in the newspapers and tell me if you didn't do a DNA test that you wouldn't be suspicious that this kid was really a Roma?

My immediate reaction would be that those parents could not be his real parents and I would want to make sure he hadn't been kidnapped.

Basic common sense would tell you that wouldn't it?
.

If you look beyond their skin and hair color you might notice that he has exactly the same cheek bone / nose shape as his mom!

SterlingArcher · 24-10-2013 05:18PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

How many children having gone missing under the care of the HSE?

What has trying to find a kidnapped child to do with the totally different point you are making?

tayto lover · 24-10-2013 05:21PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Sure you could say that about anyone with a child. You must have something more than that? Why was it decided that child might be at risk? And what risk was the child possibly at?

How the |hell can anyone answer those questions?
Only the authorities can answer those surely.

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 05:22PM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

What has trying to find a kidnapped child to do with the totally different point you are making?

you said the child was not put into a concentration camp - I was pointing out that it was put into the care of the HSE - whose record of children going missing while in their care is quite shocking.

old hippy · 24-10-2013 05:22PM

SterlingArcher wrote: »

What has trying to find a kidnapped child to do with the totally different point you are making?

The child was kidnapped by the Gardai.

Princess Peach · 24-10-2013 05:23PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm mixed race too and this wouldn't upset me.

But you can understand that it might upset a 2 and a 7 year old to be taken away from their families by strangers on the grounds that they don't look like the rest.

People seem to think that being taken into public care is like a fun school tour for children and they'll have great laugh. It should be a last resort!

old hippy · 24-10-2013 05:23PM

tayto lover wrote: »

How the |hell can anyone answer those questions?
Only the authorities can answer those surely.

Ah, the all knowing all seeing AUTHORITIES in who we trust.

Respect the AUTHORITIES

constance tench · 24-10-2013 05:26PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

How many children having gone missing under the care of the HSE?

...and, as far a I remember, they initially tried to bull**** us as to how many went missing.

Donaldio · 24-10-2013 05:26PM

Next time a roma man with gold teeth asks me on the street for 50 euro im gona tell him to go and **** himself and if some else has a poblem with that i dont give a **** ! They can go and **** themselves too !

tayto lover · 24-10-2013 05:27PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ah, the all knowing all seeing AUTHORITIES in who we trust.

Respect the AUTHORITIES

In fairness we have to wait for the inquiry before we shoot them

:D

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 05:28PM

Donaldio wrote: »

Next time a roma man with gold teeth asks me on the street for 50 euro im gona tell him to go and **** himself and if some else has a poblem with that i dont give a **** ! They can go and **** themselves too !

What has this got to do with anything?
and when does anyone as you for 50 euro on the street.

old hippy · 24-10-2013 05:28PM

Donaldio wrote: »

Next time a roma man with gold teeth asks me on the street for 50 euro im gona tell him to go and **** himself and if some else has a poblem with that i dont give a **** !

Good for you. Feels better to get that off your chest, doesn't it? Not entirely sure what that has to do with the topic, mind...

Ruu · 24-10-2013 05:30PM

Donaldio wrote: »

Next time a roma man with gold teeth asks me on the street for 50 euro im gona tell him to go and **** himself and if some else has a poblem with that i dont give a **** ! They can go and **** themselves too !

Angry man, very angry man. Take some time off to cool down.

Banned.

RustyNut · 24-10-2013 05:31PM

bbam wrote: »

Yes but the jurno wasnt standing in a house trying to make an on the spot decision, the guards did seek out and get information on the documents and it didnt support the documents given

the family in question have changed their story a number of times, initally claiming the child was their bio child and then changing to another story. Its a fact they lied about the origon of the child in greece - a case which like the fact or not was brought forward by the appearance of the child alone - would you call that person a racist?

If the child was unofficially adopted within their community why would they, after already being caught out lieing, go on to spin a different story
.

Indeed the Jurno was not about to take a child from their home and parents, they were only researching a story for the paper yet he was able to establish that the child was born where and when the parents said.

Surely with so much at stake the authorities should have looked into the parents claims more diligently and not accept the first negative answer they get unless that is the answer that suits an agenda. The truth was there and I would think that any compitent investigator would have found it if they tried. It was under her Maden name, hardly an unknown practice.

The child involved, the Victim in all this has been badly let down by the state and incompetence would seem to me to be the biggest if not the only reason.

As to why the people in Grease lied to the authorities we can only guess but it proves nothing.

I never mentioned racism.

Gatling · 24-10-2013 05:33PM

The Gardai didn't go off a Facebook post ,
It was a concerned neighbour who made the call(phone call) just in case ,to tallaght gardai ,
Who when investigated went to the house ,

4 uniform garda and 1 social worker ,

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 05:35PM

Gatling wrote: »

The Gardai didn't go off a Facebook post ,
It was a concerned neighbour who made the call(phone call) just in case ,to tallaght gardai ,
Who when investigated went to the house ,

4 uniform garda and 1 social worker ,

a concerned neighbour ?
How many years was the child in the house, the local school?
yea sounds like a concerned neighbour - saw something on tv and though o you know maybe the next door girl is the same. - i'm surprised she didn't call about maddie going missing.

old hippy · 24-10-2013 05:36PM

Gatling wrote: »

The Gardai didn't go off a Facebook post ,
It was a concerned neighbour who made the call(phone call) just in case ,to tallaght gardai ,
Who when investigated went to the house ,

4 uniform garda and 1 social worker ,

A nation of curtain twitchers. Stalin would be proud

Gatling · 24-10-2013 05:37PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

a concerned neighbour ?
How many years was the child in the house, the local school?
yea sounds like a concerned neighbour - saw something on tv and though o you know maybe the next door girl is the same. - i'm surprised she didn't call about maddie going missing.

I would have done the same considering the Greece case

Princess Peach · 24-10-2013 05:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

I would have done the same considering the Greece case

Would you do it for just Roma families, or any families you see that have different looking children?

old hippy · 24-10-2013 05:39PM

Gatling wrote: »

I would have done the same considering the Greece case

Inform on your neighbours? Facilitate the State to kidnap a child and cause said child untold stress?

You'd be swayed by the hysteria of anti-Roma sentiment, in other words.

Gatling · 24-10-2013 05:40PM

old hippy wrote: »

Inform on your neighbours? Facilitate the State to kidnap a child and cause said child untold stress?

You'd be swayed by the hysteria of anti-Roma sentiment, in other words.

Absolutely ,

Seriously take of the foil

Ace2007 · 24-10-2013 05:43PM

Gatling wrote: »

I would have done the same considering the Greece case

So are you going to look at the kids of every man/woman you meet on street and if the child has red hair and neither of "parents" do - will you report them?

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Child removed from Roma gypsies-This time in DUBLIN Mod Warning Post #1