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Is there an implied xenophobia towards Northerners in Irish society

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  • #242
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
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    Instead of the sly little digs and insinuations, why don't you say what you're on about? No weasel words this time.


  • #243
    WilyCoyote
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Instead of the sly little digs and insinuations, why don't you say what you're on about? No weasel words this time.

    Your usage of "weasel words" is a misnomer as the phrase itself constitutes weasel words. The term goes back to As You Like It - giving the impression that weasels suck eggs. Now I don't know what type of weasels inhabit your planet but on planet earth, they do not have the appropriate appendage in their mouths to start the sucking motion.
    It obviously is a phrase that you like. You have directed it across the Atlantic at least twice. Now, I'm not going to mention people with white coats but .......


  • #244
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Your usage of "weasel words" is a misnomer as the phrase itself constitutes weasel words. The term goes back to As You Like It - giving the impression that weasels suck eggs. Now I don't know what type of weasels inhabit your planet but on planet earth, they do not have the appropriate appendage in their mouths to start the sucking motion.
    It obviously is a phrase that you like. You have directed it across the Atlantic at least twice. Now, I'm not going to mention people with white coats but .......

    And the mental illness jibe, once more for good measure.

    So, if you're not going to explain your sly little digs and insinutations, shall we get back on track?

    Why do you think there is prejudice against people of the 6 counties/NI?


  • #245
    jaffusmax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭jaffusmax


    I am the son of Northern Parents born in the Republic, my folks HAD to move because she was Protestant and he Catholic. I was bullied over my Northern accent I got from my parents at school, my folks where told by the council to go back North and get a house in Craigavon that they had no room for refugees to be housed in town and I had to listen to neighbors call my father a North Bastard and go back home numerous times!

    I shudder to think what would happen these days if Non Nationals were treated this way now! I believe like the treatment of travelers(right or wrongly) it seems to be acceptable in Ireland to prejudice to those that are in fact Irish themselves!


  • #246
    markomuscle
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    jaffusmax wrote: »
    I am the son of Northern Parents born in the Republic, my folks HAD to move because she was Protestant and he Catholic. I was bullied over my Northern accent I got from my parents at school, my folks where told by the council to go back North and get a house in Craigavon that they had no room for refugees to be housed in town and I had to listen to neighbors call my father a North Bastard and go back home numerous times!

    I shudder to think what would happen these days if Non Nationals were treated this way now!

    don't they have a slight northern accent in Dundalk? this must mean the bigots also hate their own Donegal people since the accent is similar


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  • #247
    old hippy
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    markomuscle wrote: »
    don't they have a slight northern accent in Dundalk? this must mean the bigots also hate their own Donegal people since the accent is similar

    Bigots will always find something to hate. The accent, the religion, the way you dress, the way you carry yourself, your post code etc etc ad infinitum.


  • #248
    jaffusmax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭jaffusmax


    markomuscle wrote: »
    don't they have a slight northern accent in Dundalk? this must mean the bigots also hate their own Donegal people since the accent is similar

    LOL I KNOW!!!!

    My folks were from North Armagh and stood out like a sore thumb especially when the neighbors told their kids not to play with "that little Northern Sh@t!


  • #249
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    If you want to upturn every stone to look underneath, it says more about your state of mind and the need to feel oppressed. Why keep looking out for things that upset you? Descending into an abyss of paranoia is not the healthiest way forward. You've got to look at the big picture and not become too one dimensional.
    Having said that, am off for a walk with the hound. She never answers back or gets agitated .......... she doesn't go on boards.ie :D


  • #250
    old hippy
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    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    If you want to upturn every stone to look underneath, it says more about your state of mind and the need to feel oppressed. Why keep looking out for things that upset you? Descending into an abyss of paranoia is not the healthiest way forward. You've got to look at the big picture and not become too one dimensional.
    Having said that, am off for a walk with the hound. She never answers back or gets agitated .......... she doesn't go on boards.ie :D

    Still won't say what you're insinuating and still making the mental health jibes.

    Well done.


  • #251
    markomuscle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 560 ✭✭✭markomuscle


    jaffusmax wrote: »
    LOL I KNOW!!!!

    My folks were from North Armagh and stood out like a sore thumb especially when the neighbors told their kids not to play with "that little Northern Sh@t!

    was this during the troubles? The funny thing is that Dundalk probably used to be in Ulster so they have a close historical connection with the 6 county area whether they like it or not


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  • #252
    jaffusmax
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    markomuscle wrote: »
    was this during the troubles? The funny thing is that Dundalk probably used to be in Ulster so they have a close historical connection with the 6 county area whether they like it or not

    The connection with the North is not as strong as you would think here in Dundalk. Mainly families here who have for generation lived in the area, my family was just part of a wave of Northerners leaving the North to live down South for various reasons and the stigma of "what did they do up there to have them on the run" attached to them!

    They came down about 77/78, I was getting started getting abuse from the kids around the area from age 7 onward around 1986.

    What even confused me more was when I went North to visit my Protestant grandmother in a protestant area of town I always wondered why after playing with the local kids all morning why they were not allowed to come out again after lunch when I called over for them. Was explained to me years later that their folks did not want them playing with a Southerner!


  • #253
    markomuscle
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    jaffusmax wrote: »
    The connection with the North is not as strong as you would think here in Dundalk. Mainly families here who have for generation lived in the area, my family was just part of a wave of Northerners leaving the North to live down South for various reasons and the stigma of "what did they do up there to have them on the run" attached to them!

    They came down about 77/78, I was getting started getting abuse from the kids around the area from age 7 onward around 1986.

    What even confused me more was when I went North to visit my Protestant grandmother in a protestant area of town I always wondered why after playing with the local kids all morning why they were not allowed to come out again after lunch when I called over for them. Was explained to me years later that their folks did not want them playing with a Southerner!

    and people say that ireland is one of the most friendly places on earth:pac:


  • #254
    jaffusmax
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    markomuscle wrote: »
    and people say that ireland is one of the most friendly places on earth:pac:

    Friendly when they only need to tolerate people for a few days!


  • #255
    old hippy
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    jaffusmax wrote: »
    Friendly when they only need to tolerate people for a few days!

    From reading boards, you'd be forgiven for thinking so. But I'm reliably informed from folks back home that the bigotry, intolerance and whiff of sectariansim you see here on occasion is not representative of the island as a whole.

    I hope.


  • #256
    chopper6
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    I've also noticed over the years that northerners tend to be mean...there was one guy in work who used to bring home hot water from the burko in a flask and another would read the irish times each morning and then sell it on for half price to a colleague when he was finished.


    Obviously i don't know everybody in the north but i've met a few that would be scabby to the point of being embarassing.


  • #257
    Karl Stein
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    I've also noticed over the years that northerners tend to be mean


    Obviously i don't know everybody in the north

    See what you're doing there? Red v Blue?


  • #258
    Santa Cruz
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    I knew a Fermanagh man who would dry out t bags on the radiators for re use.


  • #259
    Crooked Jack
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    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    I knew a Fermanagh man who would dry out t bags on the radiators for re use.

    It's great the way there isn't a single stinge in the 26 counties. That border did a great job rooting them out.


  • #260
    Nodin
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    I've also noticed over the years that northerners tend to be mean...there was one guy in work who used to bring home hot water from the burko in a flask and another would read the irish times each morning and then sell it on for half price to a colleague when he was finished.


    .

    Bollocks.


  • #261
    chopper6
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Bollocks.

    Is that your contribution?

    A bit of a scabby response dont you think?


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  • #262
    chopper6
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    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    I knew a Fermanagh man who would dry out t bags on the radiators for re use.

    There was a publican in my local who used to fish the lemons out of empty glasses and re-use them...he was from Armagh and he wore the same clothes every day for decades.

    When he eventually died he left over a million quid which was fought over by his equally parsimonious offspring.


  • #263
    old hippy
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    Is that your contribution?

    A bit of a scabby response dont you think?

    To be frank, it was a better response than you deserved.


  • #264
    Nodin
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    chopper6 wrote: »
    There was a publican in my local who used to fish the lemons out of empty glasses and re-use them...he was from Armagh and he wore the same clothes every day for decades.

    When he eventually died he left over a million quid which was fought over by his equally parsimonious offspring.

    O ha ha.


  • #265
    chopper6
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    I sense Nordies are circling this thread with a characteristic lack of humour and verbosity.


  • #266
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    chopper6 wrote: »
    I sense Nordies are circling this thread with a characteristic lack of humour and verbosity.


    Or you aren't funny.


  • #267
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Maybe there is some bias from ignorant people who've never been up there, spent time up there or spent time around people from the North/Six Counties/Ulster. I've met some lovely people, from both sides of the communities up there. And I've also, regrettably, met some horrible people. I can say the same about life and living in the Republic/26 Counties/South.


  • #268
    jaffusmax
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    Augmerson wrote: »
    Maybe there is some bias from ignorant people who've never been up there, spent time up there or spent time around people from the North/Six Counties/Ulster. I've met some lovely people, from both sides of the communities up there. And I've also, regrettably, met some horrible people. I can say the same about life and living in the Republic/26 Counties/South.


    I know more people that have been mugged in Dublin than up North! Both physically by locals and overcharged by business during the Tiger years!

    (Not having a go at Dubliners in general just highlighting A Holes are A Holes no matter where u go)


  • #269
    johnr1
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    Augmerson wrote: »
    Maybe there is some bias from ignorant people who've never been up there, spent time up there or spent time around people from the North/Six Counties/Ulster. I've met some lovely people, from both sides of the communities up there. And I've also, regrettably, met some horrible people. I can say the same about life and living in the Republic/26 Counties/South.

    Well if you actually read the thread, you'd see that most I of the negative experiences discussed were from people who had spent considerable amounts of time there.

    In fact, most of the PC sh1t came from people without experience of the place. I asked a few of the crap spouters earlier in the thread to tell of their own experience of the place, and im still waiting.... I guess they are just too busy, or more likely, - they were just taking the pc pov without any actual knowledge.

    Obviously people from NI are going to disagree, but tbf, their opinions are going to be clouded by their sense of 'home' being attacked.

    To label anyone who disagrees with your opinion as "ignorant" is, -well... a bit ignorant.


  • #270
    old hippy
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    johnr1 wrote: »
    .

    In fact, most of the PC sh1t came from people without experience of the place. .

    PC sh1t?

    I've spent time there, I have family and friends there and I've had a couple of bad experiences but that's the same wherever you go.

    The sweeping generalisations regarding people from 6 counties/NI here is piss poor. I've seen more convincing arguments on Fox News.


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  • #271
    Manassas61
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    There is a more traditional feel about Ulster than the Republic in general. The Irish language debate for starters with the lack of respect from Irish people towards it and basically wanting to do away with it. Trying to destroy its own culture.


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