Is there an implied xenophobia towards Northerners in Irish society

chopper6

Manassas61 wrote: »

There is a more traditional feel about Ulster than the Republic in general. The Irish language debate for starters with the lack of respect from Irish people towards it and basically wanting to do away with it. Trying to destroy its own culture.

Do loyalists speak irish then?

Savoir.Faire

I would see it closer to fear than xenophobia. They're a dour bunch who are quick to anger.

Avoid asking for a pint of Bulmers up Enniskillen way, lest you be reprimanded and reminded that you are in the United Kingdom and, as such, you should be ordering Magners.

I am pie

Are you people still foaming at the mouth in here? We get it, you have prejudices. We won't miss you.

Everyone else welcome to drop in at any time. Unless the fleggers are out and about. Steer clear then!

johnr1

old hippy wrote: »

PC sh1t?

I've spent time there, I have family and friends there and I've had a couple of bad experiences but that's the same wherever you go.

The sweeping generalisations regarding people from 6 counties/NI here is piss poor. I've seen more convincing arguments on Fox News.

This is going to be my first and last response to you. Ive seen you going round in circles with other posters who argue reasonably with you and get nowhere. Ive no interest in feeding your obvious delusional paranoia. Pls don't quote me or respond to my posts again.

Augmerson

johnr1 wrote: »

Well if you actually read the thread, you'd see that most I of the negative experiences discussed were from people who had spent considerable amounts of time there.

In fact, most of the PC sh1t came from people without experience of the place. I asked a few of the crap spouters earlier in the thread to tell of their own experience of the place, and im still waiting.... I guess they are just too busy, or more likely, - they were just taking the pc pov without any actual knowledge.

Obviously people from NI are going to disagree, but tbf, their opinions are going to be clouded by their sense of 'home' being attacked.

To label anyone who disagrees with your opinion as "ignorant" is, -well... a bit ignorant.

I did read the thread, don't make assumptions - that's ignorant. I've spent considerable periods of time there and in the company of people from there. As I said, I met some lovely, really genuine people, who had been through terrible times and witnessed horrendous things but who still had big hearts and were kind and genuinely wanted more for their children and their community than bombs and bullets.

And then I met horrible people who wanted the other community wiped out, there was only black and white - us or them, you are with us or against us, and you could really feel the hate vibe pumping off them.

I've been in the company of both Protestant and Catholic. And again, some terrific folks, on both sides, and some people you'd rather not have ever come across, on both sides. And I'll still say it, it's a decent place, coping against the backdrop of over thirty years of conflict steeped in bitter hatred. People are just trying to get on and do there thing.

I hope you aren't terrible disappointed by this post. Hopefully it didn't reek of "PC pov" for you. If it did, sure I dunno, go read a Kevin Myers article or something.

mutley18

I'm from the North......so I am.

johnr1

Augmerson wrote: »

I did read the thread, don't make assumptions - that's ignorant. I've spent considerable periods of time there and in the company of people from there. As I said, I met some lovely, really genuine people, who had been through terrible times and witnessed horrendous things but who still had big hearts and were kind and genuinely wanted more for their children and their community than bombs and bullets.

And then I met horrible people who wanted the other community wiped out, there was only black and white - us or them, you are with us or against us, and you could really feel the hate vibe pumping off them.

I've been in the company of both Protestant and Catholic. And again, some terrific folks, on both sides, and some people you'd rather not have ever come across, on both sides. And I'll still say it, it's a decent place, coping against the backdrop of over thirty years of conflict steeped in bitter hatred. People are just trying to get on and do there thing.

I hope you aren't terrible disappointed by this post. Hopefully it didn't reek of "PC pov" for you. If it did, sure I dunno, go read a Kevin Myers article or something.

So your experiences differ from mine and others. Good for you. I dont have a problem with that nor did I label you because your opini on n and experience differed. Also, No, you're not being PC because you seem to have actual experience of the place. The people who were, seemed to never have been in NI just felt that they had to disagree with those of us who had negative experience there.

You were the one who labelled people who didn't agree with you as ignorant.

Mark Twain

I went up there with a squeeze over the summer. Wouldn't be in much of a hurry to go back. Some of the scenery was beautiful, but most of the people I encountered were dour, sour sort of people.

Very Gordon Brown in temperament. It's almost like smiling costs money.

Chalk and cheese with a recent weekend away in West Cork.

ONeill2013

Mark Twain wrote: »

I went up there with a squeeze over the summer. Wouldn't be in much of a hurry to go back. Some of the scenery was beautiful, but most of the people I encountered were dour, sour sort of people.

Very Gordon Brown in temperament. It's almost like smiling costs money.

Chalk and cheese with a recent weekend away in West Cork.

how do you know the people you walked past weren't other tourists like yourself?

Mark Twain

ONeill2013 wrote: »

how do you know the people you walked past weren't other tourists like yourself?

It's hardly Lanzarote now is it? I can be safe in my assumption that the people we met were for the most part from the area.

Karl Stein

Mark Twain wrote: »

most of the people I encountered were dour, sour sort of people.

You shouldn't be hanging out with conservative 'free' Presbyterians then.

ONeill2013

Mark Twain wrote: »

It's hardly Lanzarote now is it? I can be safe in my assumption that the people we met were for the most part from the area.

depends where you went, last time I went to the north coast i saw americans and australians.

Savoir.Faire

ONeill2013 wrote: »

depends where you went, last time I went to the north coast i saw americans and australians.

Do you really think the majority of people he encountered were other tourists. Its easy enough to spot an American tourist, they have a completely different dress sense and would probably have loudly exclaiming about how magnificent the scenery was, and how quaint the people are.

He described encountering dour, sour and generally grumpy people. Sounds like nordies to me.

ONeill2013

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

Do you really think the majority of people he encountered were other tourists. Its easy enough to spot an American tourist, they have a completely different dress sense and would probably have loudly exclaiming about how magnificent the scenery was, and how quaint the people are.

He described encountering dour, sour and generally grumpy people. Sounds like nordies to me.

I was taking your post seriously but when you said 'nordies' you lost my attention.

Savoir.Faire

ONeill2013 wrote: »

I was taking your post seriously but when you said 'nordies' you lost my attention.

It was a terse response. Let me elaborate.


I'm a rambler. I spend almost every dry weekend I have wandering country paths up and down this island. Generalising here, I know, but there is a marked difference in the reactions I get from people in different parts of the country.

I find going for a stroll in Kerry or West Cork, you're likely to encounter a farmer who'll spend half and hour cheerfully chatting to you before you go on about your wander. Same goes for parts of East Galway. Only 2 weekends ago I had a delightful encounter with a clergyman outside of Kilreekil.

I find the situation North of the border different. People are wary of strangers, a pleasant smile is rarely returned and idle conversation about hunting or fishing is hard to strike up. I've nothing against the people there, but there is definitely a different social outlook in my opinion.

ONeill2013

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

It was a terse response. Let me elaborate.


I'm a rambler. I spend almost every dry weekend I have wandering country paths up and down this island. Generalising here, I know, but there is a marked difference in the reactions I get from people in different parts of the country.

I find going for a stroll in Kerry or West Cork, you're likely to encounter a farmer who'll spend half and hour cheerfully chatting to you before you go on about your wander. Same goes for parts of East Galway. Only 2 weekends ago I had a delightful encounter with a clergyman outside of Kilreekil.

I find the situation North of the border different. People are wary of strangers, a pleasant smile is rarely returned and idle conversation about hunting or fishing is hard to strike up. I've nothing against the people there, but there is definitely a different social outlook in my opinion.

We will have to agree to disagree, my father is a fisherman and he even took a group of foreign nationals out on a fishing trip once, never mind engage in a conversation about it. rural ulster is just just like any rural area on this island in my opinion.

Manassas61

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

It was a terse response. Let me elaborate.


I'm a rambler. I spend almost every dry weekend I have wandering country paths up and down this island. Generalising here, I know, but there is a marked difference in the reactions I get from people in different parts of the country.

I find going for a stroll in Kerry or West Cork, you're likely to encounter a farmer who'll spend half and hour cheerfully chatting to you before you go on about your wander. Same goes for parts of East Galway. Only 2 weekends ago I had a delightful encounter with a clergyman outside of Kilreekil.

I find the situation North of the border different. People are wary of strangers, a pleasant smile is rarely returned and idle conversation about hunting or fishing is hard to strike up. I've nothing against the people there, but there is definitely a different social outlook in my opinion.

It is a different country, so obviously it won't be the same.

Crooked Jack

Manassas61 wrote: »

It is a different country, so obviously it won't be the same.

Oh God would you ever grow up. you're like a broken record

Manassas61

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Oh God would you ever grow up. you're like a broken record

Well he is trying to find out why it is different. Its different for obvious reasons. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Crooked Jack

Manassas61 wrote: »

Well he is trying to find out why it is different. Its different for obvious reasons. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Well weve certainly established youre no rocket scientist

Manassas61

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Well weve certainly established youre no rocket scientist

Tackle the ball and not the man. If you have no argument against the fact that there is two different states and by that mere fact it brings different experiences, then don't bother replying.

Crooked Jack

Manassas61 wrote: »

Tackle the ball and not the man. If you have no argument against the fact that there is two different states and by that mere fact it brings different experiences, then don't bother replying.

Theres no ball to tackle. Youve put me in the unusual position of actually wishing a given scenario had more balls. youre dropping into threads for the sole purpose of spouting some unionist nonsense and then moving on. you have no interst in discussion on anything.

Manassas61

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Theres no ball to tackle. Youve put me in the unusual position of actually wishing a given scenario had more balls. youre dropping into threads for the sole purpose of spouting some unionist nonsense and then moving on. you have no interst in discussion on anything.

The thread is rather ridiculous. Most Southerners don't care for Northerners, so there isn't a lot to say on the matter.

Crooked Jack

Manassas61 wrote: »

The thread is rather ridiculous. Most Southerners don't care for Northerners, so there isn't a lot to say on the matter.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. right, that's me done with you, ya loon. slan

Doc Ruby

Manassas61 wrote: »

The thread is rather ridiculous. Most Southerners don't care for Northerners, so there isn't a lot to say on the matter.

That hasn't been my experience at all, even rag week here in Galway has Donegal Tuesdays. The ladies love the accent. I know plenty of northerners who get on great in the republic, in fact I don't know of any who haven't.

zega

Their accents make me get sick into my face.

Manassas61

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. right, that's me done with you, ya loon. slan

They don't. I doubt many Southerners care about the news that happens in Northern Ireland and vice versa.

Defiler Of The Coffin

Manassas61 wrote: »

It is a different county, so obviously it won't be the same.

Fixed that for ya

old hippy

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Oh God would you ever grow up. you're like a broken record

In fairness, Jack, I've often thought of it as a different country, myself. You've read my views on the north/south thing before. That said, no matter what country you live in - people are the same the world over. They share similar fears and hopes and all that. The stupid (there's no other word for it) generalising and stereotyping about our friends in the North here deserves to be taken apart and exposed for what it is. Bigotry, plain and simple.

old hippy

zega wrote: »

Their accents make me get sick into my face.

No wonder you average at 16 posts a year. Come back next year with a detailed explanation, m'ok?