Match Thread - Clare v Cork All Ireland Hurling Final Replay

Rowley Birkin QC · 28-09-2013 10:08PM

brilliantboy wrote: »

There's a definite grey area.
Is the free considered "taken" when he begins to rise the ball, or when he actually strikes the ball? It has to be "taken" from the 21.

It's not much of an issue now. But what happens when everybody starts replicating it and the skill is taken to such a level where almost every free conceded around that area is a guaranteed goal?

It'll never reach that. Look at Nash's second 20 metre free today. He could have taken a simple point but gambled on the lift and strike and lost.

It's a skill to be honed and shouldn't be outlawed.

podmu80 · 28-09-2013 10:12PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just on this - had Nash missed and hit one of the lads, they may not have been able to continue.

or have kids! I was thinking the same, could do some damage to be struck by a sliotar at that speed. but not much can be done about that issue I think. just seen JBM interview, class act!

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-09-2013 10:12PM

Congrats to a superb clare team,no matter what we done,clare had an answer.

Very rarely u c a team outside KK, the last fw years,have such resolve,steel,balls,and the heart and will to win,polished of by pure hurling skills , and superb players.

I said in may clare were a team for the future,didnt think it be so soon.

Fully deserved,i said ye be sum team to beat us twice,couldnt c ye doing that.

But today proved how such a special team,with a very astute and brave manager ,and with such a young strong and large panel,ye could be the new Kilkenny.

Its hard to c any complacency with a team next under Davy.

Theres nt much you can do when your simply outclassed.In 140 minutes of hurling we were beaten by the better team.

Congratualtions.

theoneeyedman · 28-09-2013 10:13PM

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

It's a phenomenal piece of skill to lift the ball at 20m and strike at 13m. I don't see how the GAA can legislate for it. Leave it be I say.

On this.....
In football if a player is taking a free.say from the 13 meter line he must kick it at or behind the line. He cannot afaik throw it up in the air and run onto it and volley it from ay 8 or 10 meters out, or can he???

awec · 28-09-2013 10:14PM

Yea there's no chance I'd stand on the line for one of those. Would take a braver man than I.

Take one of those on the leg / stomach / chest / undercarriage and you'd certainly remember it! :pac:

Ace2007 · 28-09-2013 10:15PM

podmu80 wrote: »

or have kids! I was thinking the same, could do some damage to be struck by a sliotar at that speed. but not much can be done about that issue I think. just seen JBM interview, class act!

Well if you stop him lifting the striking 4/5 yards closer to where the free was, then it wouldn't be as bad.

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

It'll never reach that. Look at Nash's second 20 metre free today. He could have taken a simple point but gambled on the lift and strike and lost.

It's a skill to be honed and shouldn't be outlawed.

so what happens if a young lad practise to the point, where he can flick the ball up 10 yards ahead and hit it - should he be allowed?

podmu80 · 28-09-2013 10:18PM

awec wrote: »

Yea there's no chance I'd stand on the line for one of those. Would take a braver man than I.

Take one of those on the leg / stomach / chest / undercarriage and you'd certainly remember it! :pac:

you'd want balls of steel, literally!! i'd be shaking like a sh****** dog!

Rowley Birkin QC · 28-09-2013 10:18PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well if you stop him lifting the striking 4/5 yards closer to where the free was, then it wouldn't be as bad.

so what happens if a young lad practise to the point, where he can flick the ball up 10 yards ahead and hit it - should he be allowed?

Yes.

Try doing it.

Then try doing it 6 points behind in front of 80,000 people. It's a distinct skill nd I don't see why Nash should be penalised for utilising his abilities.

Grudaire · 28-09-2013 10:24PM

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

Then try doing it 6 points behind in front of 80,000 people. It's a distinct skill nd I don't see why Nash should be penalised for utilising his abilities.

It's a skill, but when player welfare comes into question I don't think that any skill should be exempt from review.

In the meantime it's a skill that lead to the replay, and it should be used as much as it can be. Fantastic seeing so many goals today

[-0-] · 28-09-2013 10:24PM

JBM is a legend as well. Very gracious in defeat.

As pointed out on the Saturday Game... Clare scored 1 point in something like 20 minutes... and still scored 5-16 in the game. Unreal.

Rowley Birkin QC · 28-09-2013 10:25PM

Cliste wrote: »

It's a skill, but when player welfare comes into question I don't think that any skill should be exempt from review.

In the meantime it's a skill that lead to the replay, and it should be used as much as it can be. Fantastic seeing so many goals today

How does player welfare come into it?

dxhound2005 · 28-09-2013 10:26PM

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

It's a phenomenal piece of skill to lift the ball at 20m and strike at 13m. I don't see how the GAA can legislate for it. Leave it be I say.

They could "legislate" for it. In fact there was a proposal to the Wexford convention last year that no free could be struck from a position closer than 20 metres to the goals. That would be the solution. The man who proposed it had the danger to players safety in mind.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/free-conundrum-throws-up-possibility-of-rule-alteration-29580327.html

He also expressed health and safety concerns. "I think what will happen is you will maybe have a young chap in goal and a big fella will hit a ball some day and drive the wire through the helmet and the GAA won't have a leg to stand on. Counsel will say it was a 21-yard free and he struck it from 14. Somebody can be killed from a ball struck from that distance.

podmu80 · 28-09-2013 10:26PM

shane o donnell motm. deserved, cool "I don't give a f***, but secretly do" hairstyle too.

west cork lad · 28-09-2013 10:28PM

O donnell had to get man of the match. Hard to believe he is only 19

rebel girl 15 · 28-09-2013 10:30PM

Shane O Donnell shows how well Davy Fitz understands his players - didn't tell Shane that he was starting until a few hours before throw in, which he admitted that it basically didn't give him any chance to be nervous since he suffers hugely with nerves!

west cork lad · 28-09-2013 10:32PM

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Shane O Donnell shows how well Davy Fitz understands his players - didn't tell Shane that he was starting until a few hours before throw in, which he admitted that it basically didn't give him any chance to be nervous since he suffers hugely with nerves!

He showed us how nervous he was in the first 20 min. ;-)

Grudaire · 28-09-2013 10:33PM

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

How does player welfare come into it?

Wait until someone gets injured from a full force sliotar to the body.

rambojon · 28-09-2013 10:36PM

west cork lad wrote: »

O donnell had to get man of the match. Hard to believe he is only 19

probably so ..but mcgraths contribution was immense..from the first minute when he blocked down a ball to laying em on a plate for o donnell his instinct for poaching is a joy to watch.. real eddie brennan job..ennis will be the place to be .not a fan of davy in general but hats off to him tonight.. clare fan.

nicowa · 28-09-2013 10:37PM

shockframe wrote: »

Mcgrath was my Man of the match. O Donnell faded badly in between his third goal and the point to put them 1 ahead.Mcgrath showed some fair industry all throughout and considering how far out he was when the ball broke his goal was sensational.

3-3 on the other hand....O donnell will surely be the rte choice.

I didn't see it myself, but those at the game said he sprained his ankle in between. Cos I couldn't figure out why they would take him off fit any other reason.

One_More_Mile · 28-09-2013 10:37PM

Cliste wrote: »

Wait until someone gets injured from a full force sliotar to the body.

Happens from penaltys too,-- Joe Quaid lost a nut from one.
Should there be no penalties or 21's? People get injured all the time in all sports it's part and parcel of sport- even non contact sport

Rowley Birkin QC · 28-09-2013 10:38PM

rambojon wrote: »

probably so ..but mcgraths contribution was immense..from the first minute when he blocked down a ball to laying em on a plate for o donnell his instinct for poaching is a joy to watch.. real eddie brennan job..ennis will be the place to be .not a fan of davy in general but hats off to him tonight.. clare fan.

You're not the only one. I spoke to plenty of Clare fans after the game in Croker who's only annoyance was Davy being at the helm.

Hyperbullet · 28-09-2013 10:38PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

so what happens if a young lad practise to the point, where he can flick the ball up 10 yards ahead and hit it - should he be allowed?

If a young lad practises that to a point where he can do that, he deserves to play county. Correct or not? Keepers aren't just for taking puck outs and saving shots nowadays.

Let the GAA legislate for this if they want to, but Nash shouldn't be the focus of ill feeling over using a sublime piece of skill allowed within the current rules.

west cork lad · 28-09-2013 10:38PM

rambojon wrote: »

probably so ..but mcgraths contribution was immense..from the first minute when he blocked down a ball to laying em on a plate for o donnell his instinct for poaching is a joy to watch.. real eddie brennan job..ennis will be the place to be .not a fan of davy in general but hats off to him tonight.. clare fan.

I thought McInerney was outstanding. When Clare were backs to the wall he stepped up. Cork fan.

nicowa · 28-09-2013 10:40PM

west cork lad wrote: »

I thought McInerney was outstanding. When Clare were backs to the wall he stepped up. Cork fan.

He's a fantastic back to have. Cleared the ball brilliantly.

relaxed · 28-09-2013 10:41PM

One_More_Mile wrote: »

People get injured all the time in all sports it's part and parcel of sport- even non contact sport

snooker and darts?

kupus · 28-09-2013 10:42PM

ONe hour RTE, one hour of the sunday saturday game. One hour for the showcase all ireland hurling final. Shame on you rte, Im ripping here about this. A game that is one of the best Ive seen and all we get is one hour....

If this doesn't show the bias and loyalty of where RTE executives are concerning gaa I dont know what will.

Anyways thank you Clare and Cork for producing a great final, and congrats Clare for a great hard fought win.

Hyperbullet · 28-09-2013 10:44PM

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

The man has no class.

Shouldn't have taken the bait here, but this is a joke. What Clare supporters were you speaking to exactly? The man developed a style of play that needed time to gel and it came right when it mattered most. Davy has been a fantastic manager, the players are flourishing under his methods, and he has been more than willing to talk to anyone on the street regarding how things are going, and I know that from experience.

To say the man has no class is an absolute insult to a now current All Ireland winning manager. Does Cody have class by your definition?

roshje · 28-09-2013 10:44PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

They could "legislate" for it. In fact there was a proposal to the Wexford convention last year that no free could be struck from a position closer than 20 metres to the goals. That would be the solution. The man who proposed it had the danger to players safety in mind.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/free-conundrum-throws-up-possibility-of-rule-alteration-29580327.html

He also expressed health and safety concerns. "I think what will happen is you will maybe have a young chap in goal and a big fella will hit a ball some day and drive the wire through the helmet and the GAA won't have a leg to stand on. Counsel will say it was a 21-yard free and he struck it from 14. Somebody can be killed from a ball struck from that distance.

Health and Safety Authority will be looking into it now

west cork lad · 28-09-2013 10:45PM

kupus wrote: »

ONe hour RTE, one hour of the sunday saturday game. One hour for the showcase all ireland hurling final. Shame on you rte, Im ripping here about this. A game that is one of the best Ive seen and all we get is one hour....

If this doesn't show the bias and loyalty of where RTE executives are concerning gaa I dont know what will.

Anyways thank you Clare and Cork for producing a great final, and congrats Clare for a great hard fought win.

Up for the match last week was longer than that

One_More_Mile · 28-09-2013 10:45PM

relaxed wrote: »

snooker and darts?

Running,cycling,golf etc..

Match Thread - Clare v Cork All Ireland Hurling Final Replay

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