Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

27-09-2013 02:46PM

premierstone wrote: »

I literally just peed myself a little

You might want to get that checked out;)

27-09-2013 02:47PM

yop wrote: »

What bust up?

There is enough talk about it locally without me detailing it here. I believe it was already reference above as well. When i say bust up i don't mean an actual fist fight.

Neeson · 27-09-2013 02:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is enough talk about it locally without me detailing it here. I believe it was already reference above as well. When i say bust up i don't mean an actual fist fight.

Female busts?

yop · 27-09-2013 02:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is enough talk about it locally without me detailing it here. I believe it was already reference above as well. When i say bust up i don't mean an actual fist fight.

Yip and we know that it didn't happen either, FACT as they say

27-09-2013 02:51PM

If Horan was willing to stay on with Buckley to train and coach the team with a new tactically aware manager then i think Mayo would be favourite for Sam in 2014.

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 02:53PM

I do think Horan had a bit of a mare on Sunday sadly.

Putting Higgins back to corner back was one of the strangest moves I've ever seen

But he is definitely the man for the job, 3 years at least semi each year, two finals and league semis two years in a row (one final)

His record is insane, all that's missing is an All Ireland unfortunately. Really hopes he stays on another year, Andy seems positive anyway

And while his moves were questionable, lack of scoring power really was what cost us

seligehgit · 27-09-2013 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Horan, is getting quite a reputation for making strange calls:mad:. These strange calls or lack of decent calls have costs us two ALL-Irelands. It would be a pity if the best back 9 in the country go to another final with similar calls been made.

Yesterdays piece in the Daily Mail by L Hayes i think completely lays the defeat at Horans door for not making one decent call all game. Mentions leaving Higgins in the backs marking a man that had a torn hamstring and couldn't move for the last ten minutes.

Personally i would not be disappointed to see him go, he appears to put himself in a cocoon on match day and not willing to listen to any advise. His Stubbornness appears to be partly to blame for the bust up pre-match as well.

Have you a link to that article mayomaffia?

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 02:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If Horan was willing to stay on with Buckley to train and coach the team with a new tactically aware manager then i think Mayo would be favourite for Sam in 2014.

Can't see past the Dubs again myself regardless.

I think it'll be a Dub Mayo final though, although obviously it's early doors

The Ferrit · 27-09-2013 02:56PM

As a Dubs fan, reading this thread, Horan was badly beaten on the sideline on Sunday,
Players 1-7 -Mayo are fine and can compete at the highest level, 8-9 Horan made a balls of tactically, 10-15, these players let you guys down badly, no score from play from the 26th minute, wont win any match, never mind an All Ireland.
If any county would benefit from an outside manager, its you guys, a manager who has won All Irelands as a player or manager.

yop · 27-09-2013 02:59PM

The Ferrit wrote: »

As a Dubs fan, reading this thread, Horan was badly beaten on the sideline on Sunday,
Players 1-7 -Mayo are fine and can compete at the highest level, 8-9 Horan made a balls of tactically, 10-15, these players let you guys down badly, no score from play from the 26th minute, wont win any match, never mind an All Ireland.
If any county would benefit from an outside manager, its you guys, a manager who has won All Irelands as a player or manager.

Yes and that was John O' Mahony (winning AI manager) or even Jack O'Shea (outsider and winning AI player) if you really want to go back!!

A forward line who scored for fun in the opening rounds, he brought on Conroy who was on fire.
None of them delivered outside of COC, you can't go and kick it for them I'm afraid, once they cross the line then they have the ball and kick it.
Yes Higgins was a weird one, B Moran in where they should have put a big man up front, but aside Horan can't shoulder the blame here on this.

premierstone · 27-09-2013 03:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You might want to get that checked out;)

Well if you are the one taking your football guidance and references from the Daily Mail and Liam Hayes I suggest your's is a far more urgent case in need of medical attention

seligehgit · 27-09-2013 03:05PM

As has been mentioned already James Horan did make mistakes on the line on Sunday,however as had also been mentioned ad nauseaum a lack scoring forwards lost us the All Ireland.As Yop put it most eloquently James Horan can't go on the pitch and kick the ball over the bar for the forwards.

27-09-2013 03:05PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Have you a link to that article mayomaffia?

No, read the paper itself.

27-09-2013 03:17PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

I do think Horan had a bit of a mare on Sunday sadly.

Putting Higgins back to corner back was one of the strangest moves I've ever seen

But he is definitely the man for the job, 3 years at least semi each year, two finals and league semis two years in a row (one final)

His record is insane, all that's missing is an All Ireland unfortunately. Really hopes he stays on another year, Andy seems positive anyway

And while his moves were questionable, lack of scoring power really was what cost us

I don't think there is any question on his ability to get the team into shape and improve the skill level, along with Buckley they have probable brought the team to the maximum level of fitness and intensity.

davegrohl48 · 27-09-2013 03:35PM

Off topic but slightly on topic in terms of forwards Any Belmullets know the name of the Blonde haired forward plays with Belmullet minors I havent seen anyone as two footed in club football or underage Not a greedy player either Plays with his head up everything seems easy to him Not on Mayo minors but sure maybe underage next year

bo-sco · 27-09-2013 04:13PM

yop wrote: »

Yes and that was John O' Mahony (winning AI manager) or even Jack O'Shea (outsider and winning AI player) if you really want to go back!!

A forward line who scored for fun in the opening rounds, he brought on Conroy who was on fire.
None of them delivered outside of COC, you can't go and kick it for them I'm afraid, once they cross the line then they have the ball and kick it.
Yes Higgins was a weird one, B Moran in where they should have put a big man up front, but aside Horan can't shoulder the blame here on this.

COC delivered?
In what way?

From what I could see, he did nothing from open play, kicked 8 frees that anyone would have kicked, missed two that he probably should have gotten and took too long over a number of frees at the end when Mayo were chasing the game with two extra players and needed all the time they could get.

john mayo 10 · 27-09-2013 04:19PM

bo-sco wrote: »

COC delivered?
In what way?

From what I could see, he did nothing from open play, kicked 8 frees that anyone would have kicked, missed two that he probably should have gotten and took too long over a number of frees at the end when Mayo were chasing the game with two extra players and needed all the time they could get.

thats a bit harsh.on the lad.He played with a busted shoulder that he was always going to protect and probably half doped with painkillers

GBXI · 27-09-2013 04:37PM

bo-sco wrote: »

COC delivered?
In what way?

From what I could see, he did nothing from open play, kicked 8 frees that anyone would have kicked, missed two that he probably should have gotten and took too long over a number of frees at the end when Mayo were chasing the game with two extra players and needed all the time they could get.

COC was very solid from open play and had a good final. It's Conroy who had next to no impact.

SomethingElse · 27-09-2013 04:45PM

GBXI wrote: »

COC was very solid from open play and had a good final. It's Conroy who had next to no impact.

COC never got into the final. He was clearly injured, very noticeable when he was running. You could see him carrying his shoulder as if it was in a sling.

bo-sco · 27-09-2013 04:49PM

GBXI wrote: »

COC was very solid from open play and had a good final. It's Conroy who had next to no impact.

I'd say neither of them had any impact.

Conroy got on more ball though he used it poorly.

O'Connor was not in the game though that's understandable as he was carrying his shoulder. But I don't think anyone could say he "delivered".

What does solid mean?
Any statistics on how many possessions he had?

GBXI · 27-09-2013 04:49PM

SomethingElse wrote: »

COC never got into the final. He was clearly injured, very noticeable when he was running. You could see him carrying his shoulder as if it was in a sling.

That is completely untrue. Not once did I see him hold his shoulder all game, and I also saw him take some heavy hits on it.

He was injured on not at his top form but he contributed more than any forward other than Andy. Looking forward to seeing him fully fit again.

GBXI · 27-09-2013 04:51PM

bo-sco wrote: »

I'd say neither of them had any impact.

Conroy got on more ball though he used it poorly.

O'Connor was not in the game though that's understandable as he was carrying his shoulder. But I don't think anyone could say he "delivered".

What does solid mean?
Any statistics on how many possessions he had?

I felt he showed as well as could be expected and hit 8/10 frees. Couple of lovely passes, particularly his long one to Freeman near the start.

I don't think Conroy is at the level needed to start for a team who want to win an AI.

bo-sco · 27-09-2013 05:02PM

GBXI wrote: »

I felt he showed as well as could be expected and hit 8/10 frees. Couple of lovely passes, particularly his long one to Freeman near the start.

I don't think Conroy is at the level needed to start for a team who want to win an AI.

Probably a little harsh on Conroy. He was your best forward I thought in the All Ireland 2012 after playing very well against Dublin in the semi also.

He has missed most of the season through injury so was understandably off the pace on Sunday.

And on Sunday after Higgins, Moran and McLoughlin he was the most prominent forward though didn't waste as much ball as McLoughlin.

He's not the "marquee" forward ye need but he's certainly good enough to be on an All Ireland winning team.

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 06:52PM

I was impressed with COC on Sunday especially given his circumstances.

Got on a good bit of ball early doors, layed it off intelligently, constantly made himself an option. I was keeping an eye on him more than anyone. His movement off the ball was great too

Thought he equipped himself well. He was WAY better than Conroy was

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 07:02PM

bo-sco wrote: »

Probably a little harsh on Conroy. He was your best forward I thought in the All Ireland 2012 after playing very well against Dublin in the semi also.

He has missed most of the season through injury so was understandably off the pace on Sunday.

And on Sunday after Higgins, Moran and McLoughlin he was the most prominent forward though didn't waste as much ball as McLoughlin.

He's not the "marquee" forward ye need but he's certainly good enough to be on an All Ireland winning team.

Eh? Freeman and O'Connor contributed much much more

He actually didn't miss that much, played through the league and just missed the first two championship games. He was outstanding when he came on v Tyrone so don't see why he was "understandably" off the pace

He just wasn't at the races on Sunday, unfortunately for himself as he had a great final 12 months earlier IMO

Always_Running · 27-09-2013 07:30PM

It was second AI final in a row that O'Connor failed to score from play and i think for Mayo to win a final he will have to deliver from play.

Here is a list of the Mayo starting 6 forwards in each of the seven lost finals and without stating the obvious those forward lines simply haven't been good enough on the big day.

1989
G Maher, WJ Padden (0-1), N Durcan;
M Fitzmaurice (0-7, six frees and a ‘50’), J Burke, K McStay (0-2).

1996 (replay)
J Horan (0-5), C McManamon, M Sheridan (0-5, four frees); R Dempsey, J Casey (0-1), A Finnerty.

1997
M Sheridan (0-3, two frees), C McManamon (0-1), J Casey; C McDonald (1-1, goal from penalty and a free), L McHale, D Nestor

2004
T Mortimer, C McDonald (0-3, 2 frees), B Maloney (0-1); C Mortimer (0-1), J Gill, A Dillon (1-2, 1 free)

2006
BJ Padden (0-1) , A Dillon, G Brady; C McDonald (0-1, free), C Mortimer (0-3, frees), K O’Neill (2-0).

2012
Kevin McLoughlin (0-2), Jason Doherty, Alan Dillon; Enda Varley (0-2, frees), Cillian O’Connor (0-5, frees), Michael Conroy (0-1).

2013
Kevin McLoughlin, Keith Higgins (0-1), Alan Dillon; Cillian O’Connor (0-8, frees), Alan Freeman, Andy Moran (1-2).

bo-sco · 27-09-2013 08:12PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

Eh? Freeman and O'Connor contributed much much more

He actually didn't miss that much, played through the league and just missed the first two championship games. He was outstanding when he came on v Tyrone so don't see why he was "understandably" off the pace

He just wasn't at the races on Sunday, unfortunately for himself as he had a great final 12 months earlier IMO

Freeman was on for twenty minutes. He's a player I really rate and couldn't believe he was taken off but you can't seriously suggest he did more in twenty minutes than Conroy did in fifty.

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 08:19PM

bo-sco wrote: »

Freeman was on for twenty minutes. He's a player I really rate and couldn't believe he was taken off but you can't seriously suggest he did more in twenty minutes than Conroy did in fifty.

I can and I will

Conroy barely touched the ball, Freeman caused a good few problems for them in his time on the pitch

You're seriously overrating Conroy's impact for some reason, I'm sure he'd the the first to say it himself that he was off colour

He was game as ever and lively but nothing really came off for him. It happens. Corner forward can be tricky, and when things don't go your way it can be a very frustrating position

I think he's a great player on his day, he was super v Tyrone and v Dubs last year

km79 · 27-09-2013 08:26PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

I can and I will

Conroy barely touched the ball, Freeman caused a good few problems for them in his time on the pitch

You're seriously overrating Conroy's impact for some reason, I'm sure he'd the the first to say it himself that he was off colour

He was game as ever and lively but nothing really came off for him. It happens. Corner forward can be tricky, and when things don't go your way it can be a very frustrating position

I think he's a great player on his day, he was super v Tyrone and v Dubs last year

I agree. And sick or not it was crazy taking freeman off

bo-sco · 27-09-2013 08:29PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

I can and I will

Conroy barely touched the ball, Freeman caused a good few problems for them in his time on the pitch

You're seriously overrating Conroy's impact for some reason, I'm sure he'd the the first to say it himself that he was off colour

He was game as ever and lively but nothing really came off for him. It happens. Corner forward can be tricky, and when things don't go your way it can be a very frustrating position

I think he's a great player on his day, he was super v Tyrone and v Dubs last year

I thought Conroy played badly and I said that above. I'm sure, like you say, that he'd agree with me.

But he was prominent and lively like you mentioned and did get on a bit of ball particularly in the second half when O'Connor had gone out of the game. But he used it poorly especially that ball that he skied across the goal when we were down to 13 men and vulnerable.

I would agree that Freeman looked dangerous and I would rate him as your best forward. It says a lot about media analysis that the substitution has barely raised an eyebrow particularly when compared to all the attention taking Bernard Brogan off against Kerry got when he had taken a knock and there were 5 minutes to go.

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