Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 11:42AM

GBXI wrote: »

So we can agree (whatever about Freeman's reaction) that Horan didn't want to take him off but felt he had to.

I think so

But it may have been a rush of blood too

But that doesn't excuse Higgins going back. They had 15 minutes come up with that one.

I'd put it on a par with playing MDMA out of position v us last year. Madness

SomethingElse · 27-09-2013 11:45AM

GBXI wrote: »

I didn't see his reaction, but who is your source? That's a massive statement to make.

It came from someone close to the player that there was nothing wrong with him. Nobody seemed bothered to ask Horan about it on the day.

I've heard a reason going around why he was taken off. It seems ludicrous and my source for it isn't as reliable so I'll only mention it on here via pm. In all fairness it's probably horses**t

Fr Tod Umptious · 27-09-2013 11:46AM

Gerry91 wrote: »

Jimmy Nallen? McStay? Can't think of any else.

McStay won an All Ireland club. The argument is he took over a team who were already dominant but wouldn't it be a similar story with mayo?

If It's Tommy Lyons I'll cry no joke

I hope you are joking about that and that he is not a name that will be any where near the frame if Horan goes.

It would be the most backward idiotic move in the history of sports

yop · 27-09-2013 11:59AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I hope you are joking about that and that he is not a name that will be any where near the frame if Horan goes.

It would be the most backward idiotic move in the history of sports

Lyons has burnt his bridge long time ago. Even though he has bought a business in Mayo, I can't see him getting within an asses roll of the job.
McStay/McHale combo is the only option I see the county board going for but I think unless James wishes to go and I know he has young kids and job which isn't overly accomadating then they will not let him go

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 12:01PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I hope you are joking about that and that he is not a name that will be any where near the frame if Horan goes.

It would be the most backward idiotic move in the history of sports

I think he was in line to get it until Horan got appointed last time! Would have been enjoyable trawling the country to lose qualifiers last few years instead of making AI finals

MaroonAndGreen · 27-09-2013 12:03PM

I'd really really like to see McStay and McHale put in charge next

davegrohl48 · 27-09-2013 12:21PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

Lee is an 89 so will only be hiting 25 next year so here's plenty milage in him yet

Worry about Higgins. He must be pushing 30 now and is such a crucial player. Young mans game and all that ...

If Higgins is played corner back next year I'll be furious. While Horan's subs were daft on Sunday, moving Keith to CF was the move of the year

What I meant in terms of peak is that Higgins/Keegan/Boyle are playing so excellently I don't see how they could improve much more. Higgins is fine for another few years seems fresh, he's only 28. He'll be even better upfront next year with a full season in the forwards, so maybe he can improve.
I really hate to see a full forward line without one big man. Freemans hard tackle on OCarroll caused him to fumble for Morans first point. In that same play he had won the high ball initially. Later on he won a high ball drove through OCarroll n other defender n scored but disallowed n brought back for a free. Need size n strength to unsettle a player like OCarroll. With the way he was playing he had significant odds of goaling. Also Dublin really only have OCarroll to cover full back position, they would have been badly stuck in second half.
Paul Flynn showed effective use of a long high-ish ball, he drills it so that defence don't have time to set under it. Much easier to defend a high lobbed ball when you can just punch it.

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 12:39PM

Does anyone know are we changing our under 21 manager?

A joke, the players we had at our disposal we should have been pushing for an AI in that as well as minor and senior

MaroonAndGreen · 27-09-2013 12:50PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

Does anyone know are we changing our under 21 manager?

A joke, the players we had at our disposal we should have been pushing for an AI in that as well as minor and senior

U21 manager has been changed alright, cant remember who it is though sorry

yop · 27-09-2013 01:12PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

U21 manager has been changed alright, cant remember who it is though sorry

Didn't realise they had.

Why wouldn't the senior manager also manage the U21 setup? Would it not make more sense in order to get a better grasp of the U21 group and see who can also progress to the Seniors?

mayo.mick · 27-09-2013 01:38PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

U21 manager has been changed alright, cant remember who it is though sorry

Did I hear Kevin O'Neill's name mentioned in the u21 set up?

Neeson · 27-09-2013 01:44PM

They said Freeman was taking off because he had the flu.

premierstone · 27-09-2013 01:46PM

Neeson wrote: »

They said Freeman was taking off because he had the flu.

So he either caught it and was diagnosed from fifty metres away all within the first 20 mins, or they started an ill player, or they are making it up???

SomethingElse · 27-09-2013 01:48PM

Neeson wrote: »

They said Freeman was taking off because he had the flu.

Sounds more like red bull to me

SomethingElse · 27-09-2013 01:51PM

premierstone wrote: »

So he either caught it and was diagnosed from fifty metres away all within the first 20 mins, or they started an ill player, or they are making it up???

That said, was Horan or any of the backroom staff quoted as saying he had the flu? I didn't hear any mention of Freeman in the post-match stuff.

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 01:54PM

Neeson wrote: »

They said Freeman was taking off because he had the flu.

Who said?

premierstone · 27-09-2013 01:55PM

SomethingElse wrote: »

That said, was Horan or any of the backroom staff quoted as saying he had the flu? I didn't hear any mention of Freeman in the post-match stuff.

I'm only going by what Neeson said I, rightly or wrongly, assumed he had seen or heard direct quotes, we shall see what he comes back with I guess!

MaroonAndGreen · 27-09-2013 01:58PM

We might never truly find out why Freeman was taken off

ColeTrain · 27-09-2013 02:10PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

We might never truly find out why Freeman was taken off

I heard he had the flu
Also.heard from a good source that there was othing wrong with him
If the former is true then it was a strange call. Thought he was causing them plenty of problems

davegrohl48 · 27-09-2013 02:13PM

Freeman with the flu is still more effective right now than any other Mayo footballer at full forward. It's a position where you can conserve energy and play near to the square. That was something like what he was doing.
He'd need to be reduced to a jog with weakness to not feature.

The flu reference was quoted in interviews after the game and carried in media online/newspapers. Quote from Horan.

Neeson · 27-09-2013 02:26PM

Martin Carney was telling me he had a dose of the flu.

yop · 27-09-2013 02:31PM

Neeson wrote: »

Martin Carney was telling me he had a dose of the flu.

Thats sound, but how was Freeman

Gerry91 · 27-09-2013 02:32PM

The flu?

Broad enough term

Bit of a headcold, runny nose, blocked up I wonder?

You'd be well able to play in that, although it might prolong it but doubt he'd have cared had they won.

Or it could be worse where he's feeling lethargic, even ill where it would severely affect performance. His performance didn't look affected to me

It's all very strange. Why not give him till at least HT and see how he is? If it's very bad why play him at all. I'd understand if he was moving slowly or not in the game at all

I genuinely think Horan made a serious blunder here in the heat of the moment and he knows it.

27-09-2013 02:36PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

I heard he had the flu
Also.heard from a good source that there was othing wrong with him
If the former is true then it was a strange call. Thought he was causing them plenty of problems

Horan, is getting quite a reputation for making strange calls:mad:. These strange calls or lack of decent calls have costs us two ALL-Irelands. It would be a pity if the best back 9 in the country go to another final with similar calls been made.

Yesterdays piece in the Daily Mail by L Hayes i think completely lays the defeat at Horans door for not making one decent call all game. Mentions leaving Higgins in the backs marking a man that had a torn hamstring and couldn't move for the last ten minutes.

Personally i would not be disappointed to see him go, he appears to put himself in a cocoon on match day and not willing to listen to any advise. His Stubbornness appears to be partly to blame for the bust up pre-match as well.

yop · 27-09-2013 02:38PM

Gerry91 wrote: »

The flu?

Broad enough term

Bit of a headcold, runny nose, blocked up I wonder?

You'd be well able to play in that, although it might prolong it but doubt he'd have cared had they won.

Or it could be worse where he's feeling lethargic, even ill where it would severely affect performance. His performance didn't look affected to me

It's all very strange. Why not give him till at least HT and see how he is? If it's very bad why play him at all. I'd understand if he was moving slowly or not in the game at all

I genuinely think Horan made a serious blunder here in the heat of the moment and he knows it.

Depends on how bad it is, IF you have a heavy head cold you will find it hard to breathe, Sunday was very warm, I was suffering badly on Sat and Sunday and nearly hyperventilated on Sunday with the heat, head cold and panic

When you have a cold your heart rate will be higher so thats why docs will advice you not to train too hard as you may push your heart too hard.

MaroonAndGreen · 27-09-2013 02:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Horan, is getting quite a reputation for making strange calls:mad:. These strange calls or lack of decent calls have costs us two ALL-Irelands. It would be a pity if the best back 9 in the country go to another final with similar calls been made.

Yesterdays piece in the Daily Mail by L Hayes i think completely lays the defeat at Horans door for not making one decent call all game. Mentions leaving Higgins in the backs marking a man that had a torn hamstring and couldn't move for the last ten minutes.

Personally i would not be disappointed to see him go, he appears to put himself in a cocoon on match day and not willing to listen to any advise. His Stubbornness appears to be partly to blame for the bust up pre-match as well.

Are you mental?

Clearly the lack of scoring forwards has cost us 2 All-Irelands, not James Horan

yop · 27-09-2013 02:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Horan, is getting quite a reputation for making strange calls:mad:. These strange calls or lack of decent calls have costs us two ALL-Irelands. It would be a pity if the best back 9 in the country go to another final with similar calls been made.

Yesterdays piece in the Daily Mail by L Hayes i think completely lays the defeat at Horans door for not making one decent call all game. Mentions leaving Higgins in the backs marking a man that had a torn hamstring and couldn't move for the last ten minutes.

Personally i would not be disappointed to see him go, he appears to put himself in a cocoon on match day and not willing to listen to any advise. His Stubbornness appears to be partly to blame for the bust up pre-match as well.

What bust up?

premierstone · 27-09-2013 02:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Horan, is getting quite a reputation for making strange calls:mad:. These strange calls or lack of decent calls have costs us two ALL-Irelands. It would be a pity if the best back 9 in the country go to another final with similar calls been made.

Yesterdays piece in the Daily Mail by L Hayes i think completely lays the defeat at Horans door for not making one decent call all game. Mentions leaving Higgins in the backs marking a man that had a torn hamstring and couldn't move for the last ten minutes.

Personally i would not be disappointed to see him go, he appears to put himself in a cocoon on match day and not willing to listen to any advise. His Stubbornness appears to be partly to blame for the bust up pre-match as well.

I literally just peed myself a little

Neeson · 27-09-2013 02:42PM

Who did he bust up?

27-09-2013 02:45PM

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Are you mental?

Clearly the lack of scoring forwards has cost us 2 All-Irelands, not James Horan

With good forwards and the back nine we currently have, anybody would win an ALl Ireland. We don't have good forwards obviously, but we could still have won the game. Dublin gave as bad a performance on the field as we did, the difference was the Dublin manager made the changes and switches that Horan wasn't able to do.

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