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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Just the usual vaccination fun.

    Clicky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Cossax


    ninja900 wrote: »
    The only reason we should be equal is that there is a consensus in developed societies that this is a good thing.

    Morals are a human construct. Societies are a human construct. I thought DQ was being touted as the 'intellectual' cutting edge of catholic conservatism? :rolleyes:


    Oh and I read his Mater article as well (thankfully I didn't see it at the time cause I was on hols) I'm trying hard to think of something that accurately describes it without violating the charter. Dumb doesn't do it, it's a lot worse than dumb. Basically, give the RCC your taxes and let them decide how to spend it, it's good for you, even if they let you die.

    h76AAA2EC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    koth wrote: »
    David Quinn latest article in the Indo:

    If there is no God, no law-giver, then why should we be equal?

    An ironic title given that Mr.Quinn is opposed to marriage equality. Seems that even with the faith that God exists, some are still more equal than others.

    The article is essentially "only theism (read: Christianity) can lead to equality in society". :rolleyes:
    Racism also derived plenty of support from the 'scientific' doctrine of Social Darwinism and the idea that the white man had won the battle to be the 'fittest'.

    Yeah, blame science. NOT, white christians. They even liked the jews, although the jews 'killed' jesus.
    In other words, for St Vincent's hospital there is no law higher than civil law. Martin Luther King would profoundly disagree with that. As would Abraham Lincoln.

    Check mate atheists.

    Btw, David Quinn gives a greasy hand shake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe



    Btw, David Quinn gives a greasy hand shake.

    You shook his hand :eek:

    I'm funny about things like that - I cannot bring myself to shake hands (i.e. touch) people who spout rhetoric I profoundly disagree with....


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/09/02/shes-the-mother-of-a-young-child-as-well-that-doesnt-look-great/?fb_source=pubv1
    The priest who gave a character witness for the convicted man, Father Sean Sheehy (top) maintains his belief in Foley’s innocence and reckons the jury delivered the wrong verdict.

    He is reported as saying of the victim:

    “I don’t want to make any judgment on her at all, but obviously the whole situation must have been embarrassing, for the police to happen upon them and what-not. She’s the mother of a young child as well and, you know, that in itself doesn’t look great.”

    Fr Sheehy said Foley remains unrepentant and is planning to volunteer for the Samaritans on release having completed a course while in Arbour Hill.

    I hope to hell the Samaritans do not under any circumstances employee this man,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    It would take more time than he's worth for me to come up with the words to adequately describe the depth of my contempt for that man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Fr Sheehy represents an organisation that's historically hidden and defended child abusers and imprisoned unwed mothers and he's now defending a man convicted of sexual assault and, you know, that in itself doesn't look great.

    Pr1ck.


  • Moderators Posts: 52,164 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    “I don’t want to make any judgment on her at all, .....

    Really?
    ... but obviously the whole situation must have been embarrassing, for the police to happen upon them and what-not. She’s the mother of a young child as well and, you know, that in itself doesn’t look great.”

    Looks like judging to me. And to make it worse, it reads as if he is possibly suggesting that mothers should be embarrased/ashamed of themselves for being sexually assaulted! :eek:

    I hope someone has words with him to explain just how disgusting his attitude is.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    koth wrote: »
    Looks like judging to me. And to make it worse, it reads as if he is possibly suggesting that mothers should be embarrased/ashamed of themselves for being sexually assault! :eek:

    Not at all, mothers are fantastic; so much so that no woman should be allowed not to be a mother. It's the single mothers... the hoors who enjoy sex. They should be ashamed and should be shamed. Shunned in the street! Sure that's why she claimed she was raped; not because a man assaulted her when she was unconscious, oh no! But because she's a dirty whore who changed her mind about having sex with him and decided to ruin this poor, sweet, innocent man's life.



    Urgh... I feel dirty after writing that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    You know, the real victims of rape are the rapists.

    They're going along, minding their own business and then, suddenly, they rape someone and their world is turned upside down.

    Their whole lives are ruined.

    Poor things.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    You know, the real victims of rape are the rapists.

    They're going along, minding their own business and then, suddenly, they rape someone and their world is turned upside down.

    Their whole lives are ruined.

    Poor things.

    It's not their fault you know.

    Nature made man to be inflamed with desire by the female so babies can be begatted. Man cannot help himself - this is why the female must be upholstered with swathes of heavy duty material so that man can focus on other tasks.


    I was once told this by a Mullah ( he phrased it differently but that was the gist of it). I thought he was joking...when I realised he was deadly serious I showed him my office door and put his grant application for funding to teach small children (male and female) at so far to the bottom of my to-do pile it may have technically been in China.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    It's not their fault you know.

    Nature made man to be inflamed with desire by the female so babies can be begatted. Man cannot help himself - this is why the female must be upholstered with swathes of heavy duty material so that man can focus on other tasks.


    I was once told this by a Mullah ( he phrased it differently but that was the gist of it). I thought he was joking...when I realised he was deadly serious I showed him my office door and put his grant application for funding to teach small children (male and female) at so far to the bottom of my to-do pile it may have technically been in China.

    You met dead_one? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    You know, the real victims of rape are the rapists.

    They're going along, minding their own business and then, suddenly, they rape someone and their world is turned upside down.

    Their whole lives are ruined.

    Poor things.

    It's the women's fault, with their short skirts and their disco dancing. Sure the poor fellas can't help themselves.

    'Twasn't like this when them hussies had to dress head to toe in black and wear a headshawl, I'll tell you that.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    You know, the real victims of rape are the rapists.

    They're going along, minding their own business and then, suddenly, they rape someone and their world is turned upside down.

    Their whole lives are ruined.

    Poor things.

    I don't know what anyone's worried about anyway,

    Sure if It's A Legitimate Rape... The Female Body Has Ways Shut That Whole Thing Down.

    Ughh, scary people think that way...scary...scary...scary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    Nature made man to be inflamed with desire by the female so babies can be begatted. Man cannot help himself - this is why the female must be upholstered with swathes of heavy duty material so that man can focus on other tasks.


    I was once told this by a Mullah ( he phrased it differently but that was the gist of it). I thought he was joking...when I realised he was deadly serious I showed him my office door and put his grant application for funding to teach small children (male and female) at so far to the bottom of my to-do pile it may have technically been in China.

    That idea would be funny, if it weren't so insulting to men*. It always reminds me of the Ferengi, whose females are not allowed wear clothing because it inflames the males to think of what's underneath the clothing.

    *which is a change for religion, I'll grant them that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    You met dead_one? :eek:

    :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    When certain religious peers are committing sexual abuse and rape, and certain religious texts talk of murder, rape and pillaging in a positive light, it's no wonder that f*ckheads will seek to emulate such horrors, especially when such peers' groundless ethical considerations are unfortunately given airtime in our society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,857 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/does-science-really-say-everything-that-can-be-said-about-life-1.1513735
    Does science really say everything that can be said about life?

    A straw man in the headline and it only gets worse from there :(

    Lots of really poor science vs. religion articles in the IT recently. Depressing.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    In other words, for St Vincent's hospital there is no law higher than civil law. Martin Luther King would profoundly disagree with that. As would Abraham Lincoln.

    There was always something bugging me about this particular passage, and am only now just figuring it out (well actually it's two things):

    1) if Lincoln believed in "god's law", why did he oppose slavery?
    and
    2) at the very best (for David Quinn's article), Lincoln was a deist, therefore he didn't believe in YHWH, and probably had no truck with divine law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Looks at the amount of comments. Sad to say but Newspaper webpages don't make money advertising revenue from individual visits. Repeat visits on the other hand. . .
    Not that any Irish paper had much quality to begin with.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    It's not their fault you know.

    Nature made man to be inflamed with desire by the female so babies can be begatted. Man cannot help himself - this is why the female must be upholstered with swathes of heavy duty material so that man can focus on other tasks.


    I was once told this by a Mullah ( he phrased it differently but that was the gist of it). I thought he was joking...when I realised he was deadly serious I showed him my office door and put his grant application for funding to teach small children (male and female) at so far to the bottom of my to-do pile it may have technically been in China.

    [pedant] Actually the antipode of Cork is somewhere North by North-East (roughly) of Campbell Island, South of New Zealand (proof, just find Cork on Map 1)[/pedant]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    [pedant] Actually the antipode of Cork is somewhere North by North-East (roughly) of Campbell Island, South of New Zealand (proof, just find Cork on Map 1)[/pedant]

    [smartarse] My to-do pile was not true vertical but tilted slightly toword diagonal at such an angle that if one were to project a line downwards through the Earth's core and out the other side the line would emerge in Xia He [/smartarse]


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    [smartarse] My to-do pile was not true vertical but tilted slightly toword diagonal at such an angle that if one were to project a line downwards through the Earth's core and out the other side the line would emerge in Xia He [/smartarse]
    If it wasn't vertical it wouldn't go through the Earth's core.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    If it wasn't vertical it wouldn't go through the Earth's core.

    shhhhhh!!! :mad:

    :D


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    shhhhhh!!! :mad:

    :D

    I'm waiting for someone to point out the whole thing about the Earth not being spherical. Still, I doubt it's so un-round to make your scenario possible. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    I'm waiting for someone to point out the whole thing about the Earth not being spherical. Still, I doubt it's so un-round to make your scenario possible. :pac:

    You didn't see my to-do pile. It defied several physical laws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Republican Represents God, Not His Constituents.
    Arkansas State Senator Jason Rapert: "I don't care about the votes of the 83,000 constituents, there's only ONE vote that counts, and that's the vote of god." /applause from crowd of constituents

    It's like jesus used to say: "You don't need to have a lobotomy to believe in me, but it helps."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,540 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Another Set of Faith-Healing Parents Arrested After Allowing Their Daughter to Die of a Treatable Disease.

    In 2012, Greg and JaLea Swezey were sentenced to five years of probation after they allowed their 17 year-old son Zachery to die of appendicitis… even though it was completely preventable:

    The Swezeys were not practitioners of Christian Science, but they were members of the Church of the First Born, a church that also endorses “faith-healing.” Why see a doctor when God will cure all?! (Except when He doesn’t.)

    Now, it’s happened again — to another family from the same church.
    Travis and Wenona Rossiter were arrested yesterday on charges of manslaughter because they allowed their 12-year-old daughter Syble to die of Type I diabetes this past February and a months-long investigation revealed that the parents withheld “necessary and adequate” medical attention from her:

    The Rossiters have two other children who are, I assume, fortunate that they never suffered a critical-yet-preventable disease.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Russian orthodox activists launch a website to counter the kind of "atheist extremism" promoted by "foreign-sponsored organizations".

    Hadn't heard of that Program 200 either, but it's hardly surprising.

    http://rt.com/politics/atheist-extremism-russia-fight-789/
    RT wrote:
    A group of activists connected with the Russian Orthodox Church are setting up a center against atheist extremism which, according to them, is promoted mainly by foreign-sponsored organizations. The decision was announced this week at a meeting between city residents and deputies of a district council that was held near the pilgrimage center of the Moscow Patriarchate, in south-west Moscow.

    “The atheist extremism is currently rearing its head. It is sponsored by various funds and NGOs with roots outside Russian borders,” reads the first statement released by the new movement. The group claims that their enemies are opposing citizens’ lawful right for freedom of thought, conscience and religion, guaranteed by the Constitution.

    In particular, the activists listed incidents when certain people protested against the construction of new churches, “creating an artificial psychosis and pumping up hysteria by intimidating the public”, quoting non-existent laws and declaring all public discussions unlawful. The statement emphasized the fact that atheist extremists were often acting on behalf of local residents by creating grassroots groups, but the real masterminds preferred to remain in the dark.

    The Moscow City authorities together with the Russian Orthodox Church are currently implementing the so called “Program-200” – a plan according to which 200 Orthodox churches must be erected throughout the capital in the next 10 to 15 years. Russian mass media estimated the overall budget of the program at about $1 billion and financing comes from a non-government fund. The authors of the program claimed that after it is implemented there will be a church for every 20,000 residents located 1 kilometer or less from residential areas.

    The program is popular among the religious lobby but it has already met resistance. The Communists and the veteran pro-democracy party, Yabloko, officially voiced protests against new churches and ordinary citizens also often claimed that such a large scale of construction was unnecessary.

    In addition, the Program-200 is being carried out in times of especially sharp discourse between religious and agnostic parts of the Russian society. It first started in mass media but became much more real after several girls who called themselves feminist punk band Pussy Riot launched a short gig against the merger between the church and the state in Moscow’s main Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

    The punks were put on trial and sentenced to two years each for aggravated hooliganism. After the incident Russian legislators passed a law on protection of believers’ feelings – making any public insult of an official religion a criminal offence punishable with up to three years behind bars.

    The Pussy Riot trial and the fresh law prompted an even broader wave of protests across the country – sometimes taking radical forms, such as the felling of memorial crosses in several villages. More often, however, journalists and bloggers gave critical appraisal to the lush lives of church hierarchs and even ordinary clerics, like the case of Hegumen Timofey – a dean of one of Moscow churches who gained notoriety in mid-2012 by causing a major car crash while driving drunk in a BMW Z4 with diplomatic license plates.

    In September 2012 the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill said in a public speech that Christianity was under a concerted attack from forces who opposed the national revival of Russians, noting that the alleged merger between the church and the authorities was a deliberately created myth.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Fcuk the Taliban.
    Sushmita Banerjee, the writer of a popular book about her dramatic escape from the Taliban in the 1990s, was shot dead on Wednesday night, police announced on Thursday.
    Police on Thursday said that the book may have been the reason she was targeted, saying they had spoken with her husband.
    "Our investigation [...] indicates that the militants had grievances against her for something she had written or told in the past, which was then turned into a film," the provincial police chief said.
    "She had been shot 20 times and some of her hair had been ripped off by the militants," Zadran said.


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