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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kate Echoing Tether


    Yeah it's a bit mental there
    Corrupt monks and stuff too
    Some things are universal


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Mort.
    The concept of Death fly fishing will forever make me smile.
    That, and the fact his horse is called Binky.
    I <3 Terry P.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    Mort.
    The concept of Death fly fishing will forever make me smile.
    That, and the fact his horse is called Binky.
    I <3 Terry P.

    I can't decide which is my favourite...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I can't decide which is my favourite...
    Bit of a sticky one alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    Mort.
    The concept of Death fly fishing will forever make me smile.
    That, and the fact his horse is called Binky.
    I <3 Terry P.
    I absolutely credit TP with helping remove any fear of death I had. It really helps just to think of death as a nice guy who is just doing his job.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I can't decide which is my favourite...

    Me neither. When people ask me I'm all "Mort. No! Wyrd Sisters. No! Met at Arms. Oooo! I forgot about The Last Hero!" Trying to pick one to read is nigh on impossible. There's a new one called Raising Steam out soon
    :D


    ETA: The Last Continent! Great book!


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,361 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    I have a little witch hanging from my car mirror, her name is Granny Weatherwax.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    I once encountered a poll as to the best female character in fiction, starting with Ripley, Brienne of Tarth, all the greats. By the end, it had boiled down to Granny Weatherwax (who cannot be having with this) and Toph Bei Fong (a blind eight year-old who has destroyed whole armies). I'm pretty sure the argument is actually still raging...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Quatermain wrote: »
    I once encountered a poll as to the best female character in fiction, starting with Ripley, Brienne of Tarth, all the greats. By the end, it had boiled down to Granny Weatherwax (who cannot be having with this) and Toph Bei Fong (a blind eight year-old who has destroyed whole armies). I'm pretty sure the argument is actually still raging...

    Tell me of this Toph Bei Fong - I am unacquainted with her. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    I had collected all the Discworld paperback editions up until Nightwatch when we moved home from France and left them all behind because we were too poor to afford renting a moving truck.
    Lost our pool table as well. :(

    I'm slowly building up my collection again. I have about half of them so far.

    Some day I'm going to own my own house with my own bookshelf and it's going to have 1 level of pop science, 1 level of biographies and about 6 levels of Discworld.:)

    Having originally read the Colour of Magic when I was 10, doing a re-read at 21 made me realise how much stuff flew over my head.

    I didn't even grasp what "in-sewer-ants" were first time around.:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Tell me of this Toph Bei Fong - I am unacquainted with her. :(

    She was from a cartoon called Avatar, which was all about elemental-powered martial arts. The titular avatar is a sort of messiah figure meant to unite the world. On their adventures, the main group (Aang the avatar, and a pair of siblings from the South Pole) encounter Toph in an underground fighting ring, where she was the top dog among huge, terrifying wrestler-types despite being both petite and blind. She could use her "earth-bending" abilities to "see" through sensing vibrations, and her natural talent was only honed by professional fighting.

    Toph was a great character because while she was on solid ground, in her element, she was raucous, rude, and brash. Put her somewhere she can't "see", and she became a frightened little girl in the middle of a warzone. Plus, of course, her blindness was played for a disability as much as possible, as well as being used rather boldly for humour. All told, a very well-rounded character.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Quatermain wrote: »
    She was from a cartoon called Avatar, which was all about elemental-powered martial arts. The titular avatar is a sort of messiah figure meant to unite the world. On their adventures, the main group (Aang the avatar, and a pair of siblings from the South Pole) encounter Toph in an underground fighting ring, where she was the top dog among huge, terrifying wrestler-types despite being both petite and blind. She could use her "earth-bending" abilities to "see" through sensing vibrations, and her natural talent was only honed by professional fighting.

    Toph was a great character because while she was on solid ground, in her element, she was raucous, rude, and brash. Put her somewhere she can't "see", and she became a frightened little girl in the middle of a warzone. Plus, of course, her blindness was played for a disability as much as possible, as well as being used rather boldly for humour. All told, a very well-rounded character.

    Lot of great characterisation in Avatar, it's a triumph of storytelling. Everyone should give it a go, aside from the rather excellent plot (which has a lot of fascinating and complex spirituality running through it), it has some of the cheekiest, most subversive humour you're likely to find outside of Adult Swim.

    "Pfft, science. Can your science explain why it rains?"
    "YES! YES IT CAN!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Sarky wrote: »
    Lot of great characterisation in Avatar, it's a triumph of storytelling. Everyone should give it a go, aside from the rather excellent plot (which has a lot of fascinating and complex spirituality running through it), it has some of the cheekiest, most subversive humour you're likely to find outside of Adult Swim.

    "Pfft, science. Can your science explain why it rains?"
    "YES! YES IT CAN!"

    Does it come in Kindle?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Does it come in Kindle?

    Some of the sequel comics to the series do, but not the main show, I think. Bit of a shame, but you should be able to find it on DVD on Amazon or the like. Just look up "Avatar: The Last Airbender". There was a live-action film made of it a few years back, but avoid that like the plague.

    Sokka was also one of the most interesting characters. He couldn't fly around or shoot fire out of his hands. All he could do was boring stuff like invent the submarine, plan complex amphibious assaults, and kill people with trigonometry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Aye, as well as the comic relief guy, he was the one with the Plan. It was always obvious that when he wasn't around the others were a bit clueless. It was really well-written so that everyone had some reason to be there, everyone contributed something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The live-action adaption by M Night Shytrololololaman is kinda one of those things that make you disregard the existence of an intervening, omnibenelovent deity. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    The live-action adaption by M Night Shytrololololaman is kinda one of those things that make you disregard the existence of an intervening, omnibenelovent deity. :o

    You said it. Terrible film - had no idea it came from a good story. Will go find it for my teen (and me, of course....)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    I have a little witch hanging from my car mirror, her name is Granny Weatherwax.

    More of a Gytha Ogg man myself. Have had lots of grand-aunts which would fit her description.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/measles-outbreak-tied-texas-megachurch-sickens-21-8C11009315


    Apparently trusting in God before seeking medical attention doesn't prevent measles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    lazygal wrote: »
    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/measles-outbreak-tied-texas-megachurch-sickens-21-8C11009315


    Apparently trusting in God before seeking medical attention doesn't prevent measles.

    I'm shocked.

    Shocked!



    ...well, not that shocked.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Apparently the dramatic fall-off in church attendance in the USA isn't caused by outbreaks of reason, but by -- wait for it -- ball games:

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/september/game-changer.html?paging=off
    early 1 in 3 Americans told Gallup they rarely or never attended religious services in 2012. And many pastors blame the secularization of Sundays, led by a commonly perceived culprit: children's sports. That's what Steve McMullin found after the Acadia Divinity College professor interviewed church leaders and members at shrinking congregations. His study, published in the Review of Religious Research, showed that pastors most often identified "competing Sunday activities"—led by youth athletic events—as the primary reason for declining worship attendance.

    The sentiment echoes the 2008 Faith Communities Today survey. On its list of "obstacles making it difficult for people to regularly participate in [a] congregation," pastors cited driving distance, conflicts with work schedules, and fear of crime (among other reasons). But children's school and sports activities proved to be "by far the greatest obstacle." This held true for rural, suburban, and urban churches alike. However, McMullin said, other studies show that children's sports are likely not the main culprit. The families involved in sports programs are generally the families that still attend church, he said, so the real cause of shrinking attendance likely lies elsewhere.

    Whether or not organized sports are Public Enemy No. 1 for churches, they still represent a symbolic challenge: how to engage members in a changing culture. "Sunday has lost its sacredness for most people," McMullin said. "Churches need to ask, 'Since that's true, how do we then respond?' " Rather than resenting organized sports, churches should learn to embrace their value, said John White, director of Baylor University's new sports ministry and chaplaincy program, which accepted its first incoming class last fall.

    When done well, children's sports can show the value of play to a holistic Christian life, he said. "Most adults don't know how to play," said White. "They just never learned. Oftentimes Christians are the worst at competition, and we need to educate them." Sports can teach discipline, friendship, teamwork, and ethics if Christians approach them well, he added. White and his family miss Sunday worship for occasional games. Those events lead to conversations about how sports can build character but shouldn't take precedence over church.

    Collin Sparks, executive director of camp ministries for Kanakuk Kamps, a sports-themed Christian summer camp, believes sports can help teach character formation. But he recognizes that sports can also represent misplaced cultural values, which the church should counter. "The things that we esteem in our culture—even in the church—are success, accomplishment, being happy," he said. "We'll give thousands of dollars to play these games. But we won't give 20 minutes to sit down and read the Bible."

    Many churches are making practical changes to acknowledge the draw of sports on family life, said David Roozen, director of the Hartford Institute for Religion Research. According to Roozen, 4 in 10 evangelical and historically black churches have at least some program emphasis on team sports, fitness activities, or exercise classes. Compared to their peers, churches with a high emphasis on such programs tend to experience more growth, according to survey data.

    Some churches have shifted schedules. "Here in New England, I know congregations that shut down youth programs during ski season," said Roozen. "Whether that's adaptive or totally capitulating, I'm not sure. They at least recognize that no one's going to show up. That's the world we've become."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    Apparently the dramatic fall-off in church attendance in the USA isn't caused by outbreaks of reason, but by -- wait for it -- ball games:

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/september/game-changer.html?paging=off

    What a load of balls.





    (I'll get me coat...again)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    robindch wrote: »
    "Most adults don't know how to play," said White. "They just never learned. Oftentimes Christians are the worst at competition, and we need to educate them."
    I guess when "sport" originally consisted of being pitted against a lion with only your bare hands, you're probably going to have a negative view of it :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    seamus wrote: »
    I guess when "sport" originally consisted of being pitted against a lion with only your bare hands, you're probably going to have a negative view of it :D
    Ahem.

    The Myth of Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a story of Martyrdom.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I've met a few girls who enjoy the sub thing and/or a little pain, but that's going a bit far...


  • Moderators Posts: 52,163 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    David Quinn latest article in the Indo:

    If there is no God, no law-giver, then why should we be equal?

    An ironic title given that Mr.Quinn is opposed to marriage equality. Seems that even with the faith that God exists, some are still more equal than others.

    The article is essentially "only theism (read: Christianity) can lead to equality in society". :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Righty-ho.....
    'Black Jesus' murder: Leader of 6,000-strong cannibal rape cult hacked to death by villagers in Papua New Guinea jungle after killing yet again


    Stephen Tari called himself 'the true Christ' and had previously been accused of raping, murdering and eating young girls
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/black-jesus-murder-leader-of-6000strong-cannibal-rape-cult-hacked-to-death-by-villagers-in-papua-new-guinea-jungle-after-killing-yet-again-8791967.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    6,000 strong cannibal rape cult.


    Right.

    spVrM.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    koth wrote: »
    David Quinn latest article in the Indo:

    If there is no God, no law-giver, then why should we be equal?

    An ironic title given that Mr.Quinn is opposed to marriage equality. Seems that even with the faith that God exists, some are still more equal than others.

    The article is essentially "only theism (read: Christianity) can lead to equality in society". :rolleyes:

    the following quote gave me chills.. and not the good kind..:(
    In fact, if there is no God, and we are simply a by-product of blind evolution, then why should we be equal? By what principle do we arrive at such a notion other than that it suits us to believe in it?

    Politics is full of human rights talk. However, this presupposes there is some kind of a moral law, higher than the civil law, which the civil law must conform to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,857 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The only reason we should be equal is that there is a consensus in developed societies that this is a good thing.

    Morals are a human construct. Societies are a human construct. I thought DQ was being touted as the 'intellectual' cutting edge of catholic conservatism? :rolleyes:


    Oh and I read his Mater article as well (thankfully I didn't see it at the time cause I was on hols) I'm trying hard to think of something that accurately describes it without violating the charter. Dumb doesn't do it, it's a lot worse than dumb. Basically, give the RCC your taxes and let them decide how to spend it, it's good for you, even if they let you die.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Gah, this discussion of the <SNIP> Quinn <SNIP> is hurting my brain. :(


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