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JonathanAnon · 06-08-2013 07:56PM

Did somebody tell John Barnes he was being interviewed for Global Village??

OnlyWayIsUp · 13-08-2013 10:32AM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Did somebody tell John Barnes he was being interviewed for Global Village??

John Barnes probably means well and definitely has a point when it comes to the lack of black/ethnic minorities who are managers in British football.

However, it was disgusting of him to play the race card when he stated in the past that he believed that he got sacked from Celtic when he did because he was black.

Utter rubbish, you got sacked because you deserved to be sacked.

ballsymchugh · 13-08-2013 10:45AM

heard him on OTB and on the 2nd captains podcast. he just seemed to be a really difficult person to interview. kept talking over the person interviewing him about stuff he wasn't asked, trying to steer the conversation his way. just dreadful.

OnlyWayIsUp · 13-08-2013 10:53AM

ballsymchugh wrote: »

heard him on OTB and on the 2nd captains podcast. he just seemed to be a really difficult person to interview. kept talking over the person interviewing him about stuff he wasn't asked, trying to steer the conversation his way. just dreadful.

On Off the Ball they actually thought he was very good. He is utterly useless.

Cartman78 · 13-08-2013 11:07AM

Who's doing the football show from 9pm on OTB?

Their soccer coverage over the summer was very weak imho - any time I've tuned in it's been either Graham Hunter and Pat Nevin whining on bitterly, with Gilroy or Joe (doing a Gilroy impression) chipping in every now & again sounding bored out of their heads

fleck · 13-08-2013 01:38PM

OnlyWayIsUp wrote: »

John Barnes probably means well and definitely has a point when it comes to the lack of black/ethnic minorities who are managers in British football.

However, it was disgusting of him to play the race card when he stated in the past that he believed that he got sacked from Celtic when he did because he was black.

Utter rubbish, you got sacked because you deserved to be sacked.

Maybe he said that in the past but, that's not what Barnes was saying on OTB, he said that ultimately all managers would be judged on results. But he was making the point that we all have unconscious opinions due to the influences of society, environment etc. and if some German guy "Johann Barnes" was appointed as Celtic manager and was equally crap, he would have got an extra few games to prove himself before he was sacked due to the stereotype of tactical, efficient, intelligence we sometime attach to German football.

Maybe he's mellowed his opinions.

Strongbow10 · 14-08-2013 02:52AM

Barnes is a horrific interview, he always has been.

He is the character who is saying "no" to the question before it has even been asked.

He goes out of his way to disagree with an interviewer, its almost as if he acts like an interviewer isn't there and spouts on about whatever he wants to talk about in general. When the interviewer tries to interject he has to make the point that he disagree's. Count the amount of times John Barnes says no in any interview.

Superb footballer in his day, was definately management material in his own head when he retired but he proved utterly useless at it on a couple of occasions. He would have been sacked no matter what race he was.

Himself and Jason McAteer were aptly christened Dumb and Dumber during their time at Tranmere Rovers.

wandatowell · 14-08-2013 02:57AM

Just hearing Barnes speak and you would know the guy wouldnt cut it. You can take the fella serious

Badabing · 14-08-2013 05:25PM

Ger Groy is to present Setanta Irelands Premier League highlights show on Sunday, wonder if Eoin mcdevitt was considered aswell.

armchair fusilier · 15-08-2013 12:25AM

Badabing wrote: »

Ger Groy is to present Setanta Irelands Premier League highlights show on Sunday, wonder if Eoin mcdevitt was considered aswell.

He's only going to be doing it for the first two shows, Paul Dempsey will take over after that.

http://www.setanta.com/ie/premier-league-highlights-come-to-setanta/

fred funk }{ · 15-08-2013 05:38AM

Totally disagree with you fellas about Barnes. I think he is an extremely intelligent man and very interesting to listen too.

Someone mentioned that he always plats the race card, couldn't be further from the truth.

ziggy · 15-08-2013 07:08AM

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OnlyWayIsUp · 20-08-2013 12:52AM

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Astonishing from him considering the useless job he did for us.

Swiper the fox · 20-08-2013 09:24PM

I don't make a habit of moaning about the new OTB team but I don't get their fascination with Pat McQuaid. Do they really think their audience is that interested, maybe I'm alone but I completely switch off when they start up, first half hour tonight.
Is McQuaid a criminal or is he evil, what is the story, it's really not that interesting to me.

ballsymchugh · 21-08-2013 12:36AM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I don't make a habit of moaning about the new OTB team but I don't get their fascination with Pat McQuaid. Do they really think their audience is that interested, maybe I'm alone but I completely switch off when they start up, first half hour tonight.
Is McQuaid a criminal or is he evil, what is the story, it's really not that interesting to me.

OTB (old and new) were the only ones to keep going on about Lance Armstrong when no one else did. they interviewed loads of people over the years who had their doubts. part of the story is that LA paid off Pat McQuaid's predecessor at UCI after he failed a drugs test. there was also something dodgy about LA being allowed to participate in a Tour in Australia before he had proper clearance with a biological passport. i'm sure someone else can clarify further.
i only read tyler hamilton's book last month and can't remember properly now!

either way, Pat McQuaid's image does not come out well and cycling won't be able to move on fully until he pisses off into the sunset. something he won't do without a fight.

Cartman78 · 21-08-2013 08:18AM

Unfortunately for OTB (old and new) this story has lost it's appeal since Lance fessed up on Oprah....hearing the intricate details of the UCI's internal voting rules being discussed ad nauseam is like listening to paint drying tbh.

ThisRegard · 21-08-2013 09:17AM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I don't make a habit of moaning about the new OTB team but I don't get their fascination with Pat McQuaid. Do they really think their audience is that interested, maybe I'm alone but I completely switch off when they start up, first half hour tonight.
Is McQuaid a criminal or is he evil, what is the story, it's really not that interesting to me.

He's evil.

But there's a lot of people out there interested in the story. I've no interest whatsoever in any soccer discussions and most of the GAA stuff, does that mean they should cut down on it ?

Swiper the fox · 21-08-2013 09:41AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

He's evil.

But there's a lot of people out there interested in the story. I've no interest whatsoever in any soccer discussions and most of the GAA stuff, does that mean they should cut down on it ?

That's cool, OTB must be tough going for you though.
The McQuaid stuff seems to be outside of sport though, It doesn't interest me, I merely speculated whether others felt the same.

ThisRegard · 21-08-2013 09:44AM

Different people have different interests, but I can't see how you can say it's outside of the sporting sphere. Would you argue the same if it was Blatter ?

Swiper the fox · 21-08-2013 09:52AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Different people have different interests, but I can't see how you can say it's outside of the sporting sphere. Would you argue the same if it was Blatter ?

Yes I would with the amount of time they devote to it, did you hear last nights program, they started with the breaking news from Switzerland like it was a 9/11 situation then had a long interview with the Aussie guy who had a massive axe to grind, when the OTBs teams view are taken into account there was no impartiality whatsoever, came across as the conclusion of a witch hunt.

Will cycling be in a definitively better place without McQuaid? Was it all sunshine and roses before him, these are genuine questions, I used to like cycling and I'm a huge sports fan but I haven't had an interest in years.
It's not like an Irish radio show with a tiny listenership can really make a difference, Paul Kimmage and David Walsh have far more influential ways of getting heard when they need to.

gordongekko · 21-08-2013 09:54AM

Swiper the fox wrote: »

That's cool, OTB must be tough going for you though.
The McQuaid stuff seems to be outside of sport though, It doesn't interest me, I merely speculated whether others felt the same.

ah cycling is a sport

Swiper the fox · 21-08-2013 09:58AM

I know cycling is a sport, sorry lads, we've gone a bit off topic, my original question has been answered, i'm in a minority who don't want to listen to it anymore:o

Loafing Oaf · 21-08-2013 05:56PM

Saw the (new) Off the Ball posse (Gilroy and Parkinson were there, can't remember who else) have their own big sports spread thingy in the indo today, presumably an ongoing feature. DOB clearly looking after his 'people' (as well as putting money into his media operations in fairness).

ballsymchugh · 21-08-2013 05:59PM

there's been a big indo/times alignment since the schism.

gerry thornley is the only one that seems to cross the divide anymore.

armchair fusilier · 21-08-2013 06:51PM

ballsymchugh wrote: »

there's been a big indo/times alignment since the schism.

gerry thornley is the only one that seems to cross the divide anymore.

Richie writes for the Sindo and Dion Fanning was on with the second captains last week. Although Fanning is more likely to be to be aligned with Anne Harris than he would be with O'Brien.

armchair fusilier · 25-08-2013 01:37PM

The Sunday Sports Show is using OTB's twitter and facebook accounts as it's own. Obviously they are doing so to bump up those accounts numbers...but why? Do advertisers/sponsors really take notice of how many twitter followers a show has these days. Gilroy had been using his twitter account as the weekend show's account, maybe he still does when he's on.

trebormurf · 25-08-2013 02:12PM

Think the weekend shows are being brought under the Off the Ball banner.

armchair fusilier · 25-08-2013 02:46PM

trebormurf wrote: »

Think the weekend shows are being brought under the Off the Ball banner.

Why though? What would either of the shows gain by doing that?

Loafing Oaf · 25-08-2013 06:58PM

armchair fusilier wrote: »

Why though? What would either of the shows gain by doing that?

Well with the new OTB Indo column, maybe they're building a 'cross-platform media brand'. Or something.

mr_edge_to_you · 25-08-2013 07:52PM

It's building a brand. Therefore no one individual (ie McDevitt) wont ever be bigger than the show again. They'll not make that mistake again. It's hit them hard.

Newstalk lost 5 of their sports department so in order to fill the gap they have all been doing their fair share of weekend shifts so it makes sense to bring it under one umbrella.

I think the show has recovered well. I like Ger and Joe, that guy Lyng is very good too. I don't mind Wooly but I still miss Murph.

I'm still tuning in anyway.

I found Brady's story about the Mayo lads using earpieces in training ("real time....an hour later") highly entertaining. Then Wooly asked James Horan which was funny

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