New Wexford 2 Day August 17th -18th

michael196 · 19-08-2013 8:46pm

this is going to take some time. But I want it to be 100% right.

Darkglasses · 19-08-2013 8:56pm

michael196 wrote: »

this is going to take some time. But I want it to be 100% right.

You're some man Mick. You should be very proud!

Buddha Star · 19-08-2013 9:12pm

michael196 wrote: »

this is going to take some time. But I want it to be 100% right.

GOOD ON YOU! That level of commitment shows your professionalism and that each rider's effort to be there is respected and matters to WW.

michael196 · 19-08-2013 9:19pm

Working directly with the grading officer from CI also to resolve.

Slo_Rida · 19-08-2013 9:41pm

michael196 wrote: »

this is going to take some time. But I want it to be 100% right.

If you can knock some time off my GC I'll buy you a pint. Don't make it too obvious though...I'll take 3rd overall on GC.
Slo/Fast

michael196 · 20-08-2013 7:35am

Sean Bracken, Cycling Ireland Grading officer is working directly with me on all the placings.

The A4 data. I have requested Precision to send me the data as acquired and I am re processing that data.

Realistically, it will be this evening before I can get onto this ( have to go get a crust ) .

Each rider who paid to enter, deserves their timings, good or bad. It matters to me , to Wexford Wheelers and to our Sponsor.

I have a good idea on what happened and why as regards reporting results. Largely acquisition of times worked, ( chip to sensors ) but the subsequent processing failed badly.

The time behind the GC ( down to sub seconds ) determined the GC, but the printed reported results are rounded up in time , making most of the times appear the same, as printed. That is where Our issue lies, but I need to data from Precision to verify this.

I did this process last night for A1-A3, and will do A4 tonight.

Thank you for your positive comments about the event. As said, will continue to work to resolve the reported A4.

Looking forward to the Sean Kelly at the weekend, as will be the first time on a bike in 3-4 weeks.

michael196 · 20-08-2013 9:00am

please dont rush CI and the grading officer on points in the A4.

CI are waiting for data from me .

CI Grading officer and CI in general , are very helpful in resolving.

dedocdude · 20-08-2013 10:16am

well done on rectifying the times - most races would just leave it at that - I've ridden much bigger stage races that consistently have timing problems on the GC every year, so not so sure why there is so much talk of the timing issues here, i see lads on twitter complaining too.

Did it decide the jersey or something? To be honest i wasn't following the race at all so genuinely don't know

dooverylittle · 20-08-2013 10:48am

michael196 wrote: »

please dont rush CI and the grading officer on points in the A4.

CI are waiting for data from me .

CI Grading officer and CI in general , are very helpful in resolving.

Michael thanks for a suberb weekend of racing. Do you know if I get any points for winning the A4 time trial? I think I need 2 more to be upgraded. Do I race A4 until I am notified by CI. Thanks again for the incredible effort you and WW have gone to. I hope the timing issues don't put you off running the event again next year.

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 10:51am

dedocdude wrote: »

well done on rectifying the times - most races would just leave it at that - I've ridden much bigger stage races that consistently have timing problems on the GC every year, so not so sure why there is so much talk of the timing issues here, i see lads on twitter complaining too.

Did it decide the jersey or something? To be honest i wasn't following the race at all so genuinely don't know

There's a bubble and sometimes people can't see outside of theirs.
It was the smoothest run event I've ever seen. Great weekends racing.

Buddha Star · 20-08-2013 11:23am

I used to organize conferences.This was a cycle race. There seems to be some cross over between the two disciplines from what i can see. http://www.unireg.com/t,29.php

WW got so much RIGHT and deserve to be congratulated. Dont forget this is all the work of volunteers (Well paid conference organizers often get so many things very ropey as many of you know from experience.)

Knowing what action you expect form the event (conference in my case. Cycle race here) is the big piece. What exactly are people coming for. What outcomes do they expect to achieve? (Not necessarily a win but a challenging race , CI points fairly distributed, etc.)

Drafting in third party to manage certain aspects to achieve this is normal practice for (eg catering, technical equipment etc).

The final piece is evaluation which WW are doing very carefully. As a previous poster pointed out many cycle races somewhat gloss over this all important element in running any event.

LeoD · 20-08-2013 11:25am

dooverylittle wrote: »

Michael thanks for a suberb weekend of racing. Do you know if I get any points for winning the A4 time trial? I think I need 2 more to be upgraded. Do I race A4 until I am notified by CI. Thanks again for the incredible effort you and WW have gone to. I hope the timing issues don't put you off running the event again next year.

Shouldn't you be asking CI that question?

polariz · 20-08-2013 11:28am

dooverylittle wrote: »

Michael thanks for a suberb weekend of racing. Do you know if I get any points for winning the A4 time trial? I think I need 2 more to be upgraded. Do I race A4 until I am notified by CI. Thanks again for the incredible effort you and WW have gone to. I hope the timing issues don't put you off running the event again next year.

Points for the TT were 3,2,1 so you're up!

michael196 · 20-08-2013 11:31am

dooverylittle wrote: »

Michael thanks for a suberb weekend of racing. Do you know if I get any points for winning the A4 time trial? I think I need 2 more to be upgraded. Do I race A4 until I am notified by CI. Thanks again for the incredible effort you and WW have gone to. I hope the timing issues don't put you off running the event again next year.

there is no rider 'Doovery Little' registered .....

dooverylittle · 20-08-2013 11:52am

LeoD wrote: »

Shouldn't you be asking CI that question?

Perhaps, but I was only asking michael as he said there would be a delay in allocation of points.

Morrisseeee · 20-08-2013 11:59am

michael196 wrote: »

there is no rider 'Doovery Little' registered .....

Doesn't that name cover all A4's ?

:pac:

michael196 · 20-08-2013 12:44pm

dooverylittle wrote: »

Perhaps, but I was only asking michael as he said there would be a delay in allocation of points.

Ahem ........ I need your real name .......

CramCycle · 20-08-2013 12:50pm

michael196 wrote: »

Ahem ........ I need your real name .......

MOD VOICE: By PM obviously

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 12:57pm

CramCycle wrote: »

MOD VOICE: By PM obviously

In fairness he has already said he won the A4 TT.....

dooverylittle · 20-08-2013 12:57pm

michael196 wrote: »

Ahem ........ I need your real name .......

I can remain anonymous! The CI ranking are updated online.
Thanks Michael, enjoy the SK.

CramCycle · 20-08-2013 1:12pm

Slo_Rida wrote: »

In fairness he has already said he won the A4 TT.....

That maybe true but that can still all be done by PM rather than in thread.

dedocdude · 20-08-2013 1:56pm

Cant see how anyone could give out about this event, it even had closed roads!;)

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 2:12pm

dedocdude wrote: »

Cant see how anyone could give out about this event, it even had closed roads!;)

That's those pesky A2/3's at it again...you wouldn't have seen that in the A4 bunch :cool:

buffalo · 20-08-2013 2:46pm

Slo_Rida wrote: »

That's those pesky A2/3's at it again...you wouldn't have seen that in the A4 bunch :cool:

In fairness, at one point I was at the side of the road when the A4 bunch passed. Up ahead they spread out across the road, and a car left the cavalcade and drove up to the rear of the bunch on the right-hand side. A moment later, the bunch compressed back into the correct lane. Not sure if it was entirely coincidental, but it certainly looked like somebody was enforcing the RotR.

Also, when I pulled up, I had four service cars/marshalls/motos ask separately if I was okay, which just about sums up the spirit of the weekend for me.

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 3:29pm

buffalo wrote: »

In fairness, at one point I was at the side of the road when the A4 bunch passed. Up ahead they spread out across the road, and a car left the cavalcade and drove up to the rear of the bunch on the right-hand side. A moment later, the bunch compressed back into the correct lane. Not sure if it was entirely coincidental, but it certainly looked like somebody was enforcing the RotR.

Also, when I pulled up, I had four service cars/marshalls/motos ask separately if I was okay, which just about sums up the spirit of the weekend for me.

The marshalling was phenomanol. We (A4) only had one car (neutral service) pass us out on the back road over the whole weekend asfair. On the main road it obviously didn't matter.
Couldn't agree more re spirit of the weekend and I feel angry that the spirit of this thread post race is not reflecting that. One lousy issue (albeit an important one) is dominating.
From the minute I met the lady at sign-on, all the volunteers were so nice to us. Even when we were all asking the same questions over and over they were always willing to help. Even when they were standing in the pouring rain Saturday morning they were still in good form. They absolutely made my weekend. I stood chatting to different members of the volunteer team at different times especially around the TT and had great chats.
I know that after "TimingGate" has subsided, people will remember this weekend for the marvel that it was.
Can't wait for next years edition.
Hats off to the WW team and the other clubs who, as Michael mentioned, provided valuable support.

Aodho · 20-08-2013 4:06pm

Slo_Rida wrote: »

Couldn't agree more re spirit of the weekend and I feel angry that the spirit of this thread post race is not reflecting that. One lousy issue (albeit an important one) is dominating.

Don't think so fella.. majority who have aired their opinion on the timing issue have also strongly qualified their (reasoanble) complaint w/ both compliments & congratulations to Michael & WW for the otherwise outstanding event they produced.

Arthurdaly · 20-08-2013 4:36pm

Slo_Rida wrote: »

I know that after "TimingGate" has subsided, people will remember this weekend for the marvel that it was.
Can't wait for next years edition.
Hats off to the WW team and the other clubs who, as Michael mentioned, provided valuable support.

You are obviously new to racing and particularly stage racing. Get the times right and then worry about music/ice cream.

daragh_ · 20-08-2013 4:40pm

When I got dropped from the A4 bunch at the end there was no neutral service car for me to draft. Also I feel some of the people clapping and cheering me at the finish were doing so in an ironic manner. Who do I complain to?

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 5:32pm

Aodho wrote: »

Don't think so fella.. majority who have aired their opinion on the timing issue have also strongly qualified their (reasoanble) complaint w/ both compliments & congratulations to Michael & WW for the otherwise outstanding event they produced.

Fella? Nice!!

20-08-2013 5:53pm

daragh_ wrote: »

When I got dropped from the A4 bunch at the end there was no neutral service car for me to draft. Also I feel some of the people clapping and cheering me at the finish were doing so in an ironic manner. Who do I complain to?

That's terrible. :Definitely complain to Michael. He will arrange for another car. He will also round up a gang of strawberry pickers to applaud you over the line while recognising your achievement in finishing at all.

boege · 20-08-2013 6:02pm

Aodho wrote: »

Don't think so fella.. majority who have aired their opinion on the timing issue have also strongly qualified their (reasoanble) complaint w/ both compliments & congratulations to Michael & WW for the otherwise outstanding event they produced.

If you were not in contention I can understand how people feel that this was a well run event and that the timing issues are overhyped. However, anyone with experience of stage racing would expect to see a GC lists before each stage so that they could identify their position together with numbers and times of other leading riders.

We found out on the morning of stage 2 that had two riders in contention in the A2/A3 event. We did not know the time gaps or the numbers of the other leading riders. When asked, the commisaire was unable to provide any GC rider information and accepted that this was not normal. As a result riders rode the final stage blind of who was leading and by how much, and I do wonder if it affected the outcome of the race.

In short the absence of GC information before stage 2 meant it was two seperate days of racing ran blind. It was not stage racing. I would define this as a critical failure and not something that can be dismissed.

Whats done is done and the club can only repair some of the damage by putting out accurate final results. There is no doubting all the positives that people spoke about and that this event has enormous potential.

DKO · 20-08-2013 6:21pm

I think Michael and the WW team may have got the message by now about the timing issue...

How about people lay off of it and let them sort things out as best they can and only post here if there is something different to comment on.... like the ironic clapping and cheering or something...

smurphy29 · 20-08-2013 6:23pm

boege wrote: »

If you were not in contention I can understand how people feel that this was a well run event and that the timing issues are overhyped. However, anyone with experience of stage racing would expect to see a GC lists before each stage so that they could identify their position together with numbers and times of other leading riders.

We found out on the morning of stage 2 that had two riders in contention in the A2/A3 event. We did not know the time gaps or the numbers of the other leading riders. When asked, the commisaire was unable to provide any GC rider information and accepted that this was not normal. As a result riders rode the final stage blind of who was leading and by how much, and I do wonder if it affected the outcome of the race.

In short the absence of GC information before stage 2 meant it was two seperate days of racing ran blind. It was not stage racing. I would define this as a critical failure and not something that can be dismissed.

Whats done is done and the club can only repair some of the damage by putting out accurate final results. There is no doubting all the positives that people spoke about and that this event has enormous potential.

We were lucky in A4 that the GC was a virtual facsimile of the TT because the first stage finished in a bunch sprint. The only difference between the two was that the second placed rider was last in GC because he had missed a lap on the first stage and been given a time penalty, which I only found out through talking to the guy.

Morrisseeee · 20-08-2013 7:26pm

smurphy29 wrote: »

The only difference between the two was that the second placed rider was last in GC because he had missed a lap on the first stage and been given a time penalty, which I only found out through talking to the guy.

Yes, I was talking to him aswell, he actually took it very well, he had a mechanical at the start line on Stage 1 and had to take a lap out. I think I would have packed it in at that stage, .........remember the weather!
He then did a great TT, and then...........gave it some welly on Stage 3. If there was a prize for most aggressive rider, he would have won it easily.

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 8:55pm

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Yes, I was talking to him aswell, he actually took it very well, he had a mechanical at the start line on Stage 1 and had to take a lap out. I think I would have packed it in at that stage, .........remember the weather!
He then did a great TT, and then...........gave it some welly on Stage 3. If there was a prize for most aggressive rider, he would have won it easily.

And he got savage abuse in the bunch for racing. I agree he should have been applauded! He was docked half an hour or maybe 40 mins I can't remember which he said so he was out of the GC. Second in the TT.

maloner · 20-08-2013 8:59pm

Slo_Rida · 20-08-2013 9:03pm

maloner wrote: »

Is this the TT where some guy saw another guy having a mechanical and so gave him his own bike to finish?
Quality bit of comeradory #spiritoftheweekend

maloner · 20-08-2013 9:04pm

Slo_Rida wrote: »

Is this the TT where some guy saw another guy having a mechanical and so gave him his own bike to finish?
Quality bit of comeradory #spiritoftheweekend

Yup.

Loads more on Amy Norah Farrell's facebook page https://www.facebook.com/amynorah

dedocdude · 20-08-2013 9:24pm

are the comms enforcing the rule on pro kit being worn in races? Thought it was strictly club or plain kit only -

fondriest · 20-08-2013 9:30pm

dedocdude wrote: »

are the comms enforcing the rule on pro kit being worn in races? Thought it was strictly club or plain kit only -

That's me getting pushed and pro team kit was never mentioned to me anyway . I always wear my club gear but that's the only skinsuit I have . Glad to see you didn't miss the point of the picture

michael196 · 20-08-2013 9:37pm

looks like ur bursting out if the kit Fondry.....any comment ?

michael196 · 20-08-2013 9:40pm

GC is coming together for the A4. few emails now to check where lads thought they were and if they were in a group or not.

Corrections already gone through to CI Grading officer for other category queries.

fondriest · 20-08-2013 9:47pm

michael196 wrote: »

looks like ur bursting out if the kit Fondry.....any comment ?

Yes Michael , was never gonna be my night , the power meter stopped working on the way over , went to the toilet in the pub at sign on and the bloody skinsuit zip wouldn't close again .
Then with your assistance we got 5 pins in it to save my modesty only for one of them to stab me at the start and finally somehow damaged the chain , I had done 50 minutes on the way over including a couple of minutes hard to warm up and it was perfect , the minute I went off the start line the chain started coming off on the inside of the chain rings . On a recount it came off 6 times , the tt was over for me when Michael gave me his bike to finish but he wasn't to know that and it was a brilliant bit of sportsmanship .

Actual Paramedic · 20-08-2013 11:32pm

I had to wear pro kit team shorts on the second day as my only pair of club shorts were still damp after the previous day and trying to wash them out. Suppose lesson learnt that stage racing necessitates 2 sets of club kit but had never done a stage race before.

jimzy · 21-08-2013 12:46am

Quick word of thanks to Michael, and all Wexford Wheelers for a super weekend of racing. Thought it was one of the safest races I've done all year, very well marshalled, hardly saw any dodgy manoeuvres all weekend! Really nice mix of stages, Sundays route was great, those last few climbs really split things up a bit!

Happy to come away with my first (and last!) A4 points, and an upgrade, looking forward to next year already!

Morrisseeee · 21-08-2013 8:17am

maloner wrote: »

Yup.

Loads more on Amy Norah Farrell's facebook page https://www.facebook.com/amynorah

I'm not seeing any pics, are they hidden or something?

maloner · 21-08-2013 8:58am

Morrisseeee wrote: »

I'm not seeing any pics, are they hidden or something?

https://www.facebook.com/amynorah/photos_all

Arthurdaly · 21-08-2013 9:25am

Its such a shame about the timing issue, otherwise that was the best event of the year. IMO Charleville is the best race on the calendar, aside from the timing issues Wexford 2 day is right up there.

High quality field made for sublime racing. Thanks Wexford Wheelers.

Plastik · 21-08-2013 9:29am

Black Umbrella highlights are online now too.

buffalo · 21-08-2013 9:36am

Arthurdaly wrote: »

Its such a shame about the timing issue, otherwise that was the best event of the year. IMO Charleville is the best race on the calendar, aside from the timing issues Wexford 2 day is right up there.

High quality field made for sublime racing. Thanks Wexford Wheelers.

Have you been to the Rás Dhún na nGall? Buzzing through Ardara with half the village out to cheer you on takes some beating!

New Wexford 2 Day August 17th -18th

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