Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

eringobragh · 16-08-2013 04:34PM

ken wrote: »

That's why he was walking around your car. First time seeing a Leitrim man in the wild. It's a sight to behold.

Haha he's been living in Dublin longer then I've been on this planet

cluelez · 16-08-2013 04:42PM

Max Power1 wrote: »

It's your fault, shouldnt brake for a deer.

This whole "rear ended automatically makes the rear ender at fault" thing is utter bollox anyway.
We should add in an addendum which envisages the type of stupidity shown by the megane driver, and the ignorance shown by the golf driver.

OP (of the video) completely not at fault.

tell me more about it, does it mean that you cannot brake for a deer, fox, cat dog, human or whatever other being decides to step in front of you on the road??

vibe666 · 16-08-2013 06:02PM

unfortunately it seems like it's causing a lot of this type of thing. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23717575

glad I've got the dashcam anyway, at least I can prove my side of things in the event someone tries it on me.

cluelez · 16-08-2013 06:22PM

I see a lot of this stuff, let it be introduction:

vibe666 · 16-08-2013 06:24PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcCkwmh4Ts

1st part is some clown getting stuck under the N3 bridge in Mulhuddart today. you can see at the start of the video that his passenger had got out and had a look to see if they would make it under. seems like the far side is lower than the near side tho, as he gets stuck on the other side. not sure if you can make out the scraping noise in the video.

2nd part is a nice aggressive overtaking manoeuvre followed by the guy doing the overtaking finding a new use for his sunroof as a middle finger escape hatch.

you'll probably need to watch it in 1080p to see that bit tho at the end.

cluelez · 16-08-2013 06:31PM

and one more involved cyclist

CiniO · 16-08-2013 06:45PM

vibe666 wrote: »

1st part is some clown getting stuck under the N3 bridge in Mulhuddart today. you can see at the start of the video that his passenger had got out and had a look to see if they would make it under. seems like the far side is lower than the near side tho, as he gets stuck on the other side. not sure if you can make out the scraping noise in the video.

Just out of curiosity why did you overtook that van, even though there was something coming from the other side? You forced the other car to brake quite harshly.

vibe666 · 16-08-2013 07:01PM

CiniO wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why did you overtook that van, even though there was something coming from the other side? You forced the other car to brake quite harshly.

here we go. :rolleyes:

no i didn't, i didn't force him to do anything, he was already braking for the other car in front and i had plenty of time to get round and back in again and in reality he was hardly braking at all. the car behind me also followed as well and the oncoming driver stopped to let him and a couple of others past the van.

Tzardine · 16-08-2013 07:05PM

CiniO wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why did you overtook that van, even though there was something coming from the other side? You forced the other car to brake quite harshly.

Are you trolling or what ?

The_Nipper_One · 16-08-2013 08:13PM

I don't think CiniO is trolling, he's technically right that you probably shouldn't have overtaken given that you impeded the other cars progress necessitating that he stop. It isn't an acceptable excuse that he was already slowing for the other car, as 1. it's not really good practice to follow a car through an overtake and 2. once the car infront of you had gone the guy coming towards you had right of way. As for him letting a few more cars overtake; what was he supposed to do, drive head on into them?

Right of way can only be given, never taken.

That's something I notice about a lot of drivers in this country though. If there's a long street with parked cars on one side, and you meet a car coming towards you on your side of the road as it comes into view, you will wait as they have already begun their maneuver. However, if another car appears on the road and notices that you are stopped, they will rush up behind the other car or begin advancing towards you, when actually they're supposed to wait and give way to you.

Gosub · 16-08-2013 08:19PM

If I was the oncoming driver I would be happy to let the cars get away from behind the van so he could reverse out of the trouble and clear the road. But I guess all drivers aren't as thoughtful and considerate as I am. :P

Maybe the oncoming driver is though.

The_Nipper_One · 16-08-2013 08:38PM

Gosub wrote: »

If I was the oncoming driver I would be happy to let the cars get away from behind the van so he could reverse out of the trouble and clear the road. But I guess all drivers aren't as thoughtful and considerate as I am. :P

Maybe the oncoming driver is though.

So would I.

I'm just speaking technically.

Tzardine · 16-08-2013 08:45PM

The problem with driving in this country is that there are two many people who drive over defensively and think " I have right of way so F You " , instead of just stopping a second, letting the guy around, the van reverses and everybody has a lovely day.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 09:35PM

vibe666 wrote: »

here we go. :rolleyes:

no i didn't, i didn't force him to do anything, he was already braking for the other car in front and i had plenty of time to get round and back in again and in reality he was hardly braking at all. the car behind me also followed as well and the oncoming driver stopped to let him and a couple of others past the van.

Well well well. I didnt expect this. Thats was us today. Im the passenger doing all the directing of traffic etc. We were actually on our way to tow a colleagues car. It was blowing out steam on her yesterday evening so we towed it to a garage.

Vibe666 overtook the van because I stopped the oncomming cars to let everyone behind the van by. Oncoming traffic in no way had to break hard. The silver golf seen me well in advance and slowed down to stop.
In the 20-30 seconds we going under the bridge an almighty amount of traffic build up behind us so I had to stop oncoming cars to let the traffic behind us pass, so we could reverse out from under the bridge.

The bridge tricked us, it was much lower at the far end, and but for the windows on the roof we'd of fit. No excuses though.

CiniO · 16-08-2013 09:43PM

The_Nipper_One wrote: »

I don't think CiniO is trolling, he's technically right that you probably shouldn't have overtaken given that you impeded the other cars progress necessitating that he stop. It isn't an acceptable excuse that he was already slowing for the other car, as 1. it's not really good practice to follow a car through an overtake and 2. once the car infront of you had gone the guy coming towards you had right of way. As for him letting a few more cars overtake; what was he supposed to do, drive head on into them?

Right of way can only be given, never taken.

That's exactly my thought.
We can see on the camera, before vibe666 moves to the right to begin overtaking, we can see a car approaching from the other side on the camera.
I don't know if that car was visible from drivers point of view, but anyway - he shouldn't have gone unless he was sure car was stopped and letting him go.

That's something I notice about a lot of drivers in this country though. If there's a long street with parked cars on one side, and you meet a car coming towards you on your side of the road as it comes into view, you will wait as they have already begun their maneuver. However, if another car appears on the road and notices that you are stopped, they will rush up behind the other car or begin advancing towards you, when actually they're supposed to wait and give way to you.

Exactly. I see most drivers in Ireland seem to think, that if they have obstruction on their side of the road, then they are allowed to overtake forcing oncoming traffic to stop.
Come on guys - if obstruction is on your side of the road, then you have to wait until oncoming traffic passes by - not the other way around.
Vibe666 is perfect example of it.

CiniO · 16-08-2013 09:46PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Vibe666 overtook the van because I stopped the oncomming cars to let everyone behind the van by.

That's definitely not what we can see on the video.
Vibe666 starts overtaking when you show him, but car oncoming is far away, and probably could not even see you by then. You also had no right to stop the traffic or even try directing the traffic.
You literally showed vibe666 to go, even though there was car coming.

Oncoming traffic in no way had to break hard. The silver golf seen me well in advance and slowed down to stop.

Sorry man, but it's not what we can see on the video.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 09:52PM

CiniO wrote: »

Exactly. I see most drivers in Ireland seem to think, that if they have obstruction on their side of the road, then they are allowed to overtake forcing oncoming traffic to stop.
Come on guys - if obstruction is on your side of the road, then you have to wait until oncoming traffic passes by - not the other way around.
Vibe666 is perfect example of it.

If we did that, we would of had single car after single car coming against us and no car would of been able to pass. It was the easier option rather than asking 20 cars to back up into Mulhuddart. Im not say any of it was right, but I think people should be able to look back retrospectively and say, yeah, that was probably the best way for everyone to resolve that situation.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 09:55PM

CiniO wrote: »

Sorry man, but it's not what we can see on the video.

Probably because the van was blocking the cameras view of the far side of the van. The car seen me, I was there. End of story.

CiniO · 16-08-2013 09:59PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

If we did that, we would of had single car after single car coming against us and no car would of been able to pass. It was the easier option rather than asking 20 cars to back up into Mulhuddart. Im not say any of it was right, but I think people should be able to look back retrospectively and say, yeah, that was probably the best way for everyone to resolve that situation.

Possibly true.
You (or rather your driver) blocked the road by your own fault, and possibly you should help the situation.

But you started waving other cars to go, even before you looked at the other lane (literally when you were behind the van, and oncoming cars were just coming). Luckily red car didn't go straight away.
Then you stand on the other side, and kept waving cars to go, while there was other car oncoming, and no one had guarantee that it will stop.
That's definitely not the way to do it.
Possibly you could have stopped oncoming car ahead in safe distance if he was willing to stop, and then let accumulated queue behind a van to go.

CiniO · 16-08-2013 10:00PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Probably because the van was blocking the cameras view of the far side of the van. The car seen me, I was there. End of story.

Maybe he'd seen you, but you had no warranty he was going to stop. And at the same time you were waving other cars to go.

That's one of the reasons only certain people are allowed to direct traffic - because they have some training. Others just don't know how to do it, and you are perfect example.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 10:00PM

CiniO wrote: »

You also had no right to stop the traffic or even try directing the traffic.
.

Ill ring the guards next time and get them to direct traffic. Though with the traffic jam we could of caused by the time they were on their way, they probably wouldnt of been able to make it. Thats a tricky one.

Id like to see an alternate video, where I just sit in the van and let the whole thing magically resolve itself. Im sure CiniO wouldn't find anything wrong with that video.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 10:03PM

CiniO wrote: »

Maybe he'd seen you, but you had no warranty he was going to stop. And at the same time you were waving other cars to go.

If that was you in the Silver Golf, I bet you'd keep driving just so you could be right. :pac:

CiniO · 16-08-2013 10:06PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

If that was you in the Silver Golf, I bet you'd keep driving just so you could be right. :pac:

Possibly yes, because I don't tent to stop on some random person waving me to stop.

rizzodun · 16-08-2013 10:09PM

Personally I think Black_Knight and Vibe are both at fault, Knight for being the passenger, not having a Hi-Vis or lollipop, maybe a couple of flares too, Vibe for not having a rear facing camera so he cannot prove how much traffic was building up behind him. :rolleyes:

When driving all road users should be aware that there may be obstacles ahead, I don't see the silver car braking sharply, more like coasting to a stop after being waved down, the car behind them doesn't seem to be closing rapidly to the car in front, which should say something.

The situations not perfect, but while the driver got themselves into the mess by misjudging the height of the bridge, at least they were proactive in fixing the problem in as safe a way as possible, given the circumstances.

SV · 16-08-2013 10:12PM

Jesus christ, some posters really do ruin this thread from time to time.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 10:13PM

CiniO wrote: »

Possibly yes, because I don't tent to stop on some random person waving me to stop.

CiniO caught on camera.... being right! (ignore the seatbelt for this joke)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK96AABQGd4

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 10:16PM

rizzodun wrote: »

Personally I think Black_Knight and Vibe are both at fault, Knight for being the passenger, not having a Hi-Vis or lollipop, maybe a couple of flares too, Vibe for not having a rear facing camera so he cannot prove how much traffic was building up behind him. :rolleyes:

Damn. I was gonna make the hi-vis joke earlier but didnt think itd land. I was wrong, hilarious!

Yeah Vibe! Get your act together.

rizzodun · 16-08-2013 10:22PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Damn. I was gonna make the hi-vis joke earlier but didnt think itd land. I was wrong, hilarious!

Yeah Vibe! Get your act together.

God damn you Knight, God damn you to Hell!

The_Nipper_One · 16-08-2013 10:36PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

CiniO caught on camera.... being right! (ignore the seatbelt for this joke)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK96AABQGd4

You do realize that a moving car is liable for an accident over a non moving one right?

Anyway, when it comes down to it you know we are right, I guess that's why you're resorting to some personal attacks against another poster (mods?)

Maybe you did manage to get yourself out of a difficult situation, but if anything would have happened to anyone around you, you can't say that anyone but you, and any driver who followed your direction would not have been fully liable in a court of law.

But just as the thread I posted on the 30km/h speed limit showed, a lot of Irish drivers just drive how they feel people SHOULD drive. Some rules of the road may seem silly, but every small one, especially ones pertaining to right of way, create a sense of certainty when meeting other cars. The more you drive by your own rules, the more uncertainty you create, and that's just bad for everyone.

Black_Knight · 16-08-2013 10:42PM

The_Nipper_One wrote: »

Anyway, when it comes down to it you know we are right, I guess that's why you're resorting to some personal attacks against another poster (mods?)

Personal attack, or a bit of light hearted humour?
Wreckless endangerment of several cars, or directing traffic?

Depends on the mindset of the reader/viewer I guess. Hence the contrasting opinions on this thread.

Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

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