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Games Night in Thomas House

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  • #62
    Azza
    Moderators Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Azza


    I doubt anyone in the country plays KoF 2002 seriously or competitively and their is probably very few that have a fight stick that would work with an original Xbox so its kinda a mute point. Aside from that a stick isn't something that gives people an advantage over pad players, its a personal preference that many older players tend to go for because its how they use to play fighting games in the arcade.
    o1s1n wrote:
    I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.

    But the way rule is put, it come across as, dedicated players are not welcome.


  • #63
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Easy solution - play with what is provided in Thomas House.

    Nobody brings their own control hardware - so everyone is on a level playing field using the same equipment (be it controllers/sticks/whatever)

    I also hate playing games designed for stick with controllers. However if it's what the owner of the bar wishes then that's his decision.

    Indeed, it's an all or nothing thing. I certainly wouldn't be bothered to play in an event like that. It's not how it's done.

    o1s1n wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.

    Ugh, I didn't want to do this...

    It's only holier-than-thou if you cherry pick that bit.

    The problem, as kiki alluded to, is this. How do you decide what's too "elite" for the event?

    For example, I'm well known for Guile play. No matter what version of SF is there I'm going to pick Guile or Charlie and beat people with frustrating zoning fundamentals.

    Now, some people will say that's unfair. So, who decides? Is guile suddenly disallowed? Because I have the gall to be good with him?

    Ok, so then I go to Ryu, and use hadokens instead. Loads of people will have problems with that too, so does some arbitrary judge decide no fireballs?

    All the time, I'm being told you can't do that, you can't do this, rules that are only added for someone else who's arbitrarily deciding what is fun. Why does MY fun not matter? Or people who want to see the game played well?

    Wouldn't it just be more fun for everyone to stop blaming other people and just explore the game and have fun, instead of standing on each other every time one has the gall to find something new or unusual?

    I just really want to go to things and meet new people and play Streetfighter.


  • #64
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,288 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Indeed, it's an all or nothing thing. I certainly wouldn't be bothered to play in an event like that. It's not how it's done.

    Either would I - but then maybe we can come to the conclusion that it's an event which isn't to our tastes? Not everything has to be done to a standard we agree with.
    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    The problem, as kiki alluded to, is this. How do you decide what's too "elite" for the event?

    For example, I'm well known for Guile play. No matter what version of SF is there I'm going to pick Guile or Charlie and beat people with frustrating zoning fundamentals.

    Now, some people will say that's unfair. So, who decides? Is guile suddenly disallowed? Because I have the gall to be good with him?

    Ok, so then I go to Ryu, and use hadokens instead. Loads of people will have problems with that too, so does some arbitrary judge decide no fireballs?

    All the time, I'm being told you can't do that, you can't do this, rules that are only added for someone else who's arbitrarily deciding what is fun. Why does MY fun not matter? Or people who want to see the game played well?

    Again, I know exactly what you're getting at, but I don't think this is the kind of event which is trying to cater towards a crowd which will be worried about the above.
    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    Wouldn't it just be more fun for everyone to stop blaming other people and just explore the game and have fun, instead of standing on each other every time one has the gall to find something new or unusual?

    I just really want to go to things and meet new people and play Streetfighter.

    Oh definitely! Couldn't agree more. I'm just trying to explain what the OP was on about as I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

    Maybe I should just STFU and just let him speak for himself :)


  • #65
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Either would I - but then maybe we can come to the conclusion that it's an event which isn't to our tastes? Not everything has to be done to a standard we agree with.

    I'd potentially agree- although would consider it doomed to failure because if anyone got better they'd be gradually forced out for the reasons mentioned above- but the OP posted in the FG forum linking here. So, apparently, he wants us to come but not be ourselves. :confused:


  • #66
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,064 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I think once you ignore that OP's complete misunderstanding that a stick automatically makes you better (play against me, it doesn't) I think what he is saying is all are welcome, except if you are good at the game, then don't bother, which is all kinds of wrong.

    If a fighting game player knows how to play they are going to destroy you, stick or pad.


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  • #67
    Azza
    Moderators Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭Azza


    Doctor Doom wrote:
    For example, I'm well known for Guile play. No matter what version of SF is there I'm going to pick Guile or Charlie and beat people with frustrating zoning fundamentals.

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  • #68
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I think once you ignore that OP's complete misunderstanding that a stick automatically makes you better (play against me, it doesn't) I think what he is saying is all are welcome, except if you are good at the game, then don't bother, which is all kinds of wrong.

    If a fighting game player knows how to play they are going to destroy you, stick or pad.

    To be fair, that's kind of putting words in his mouth.

    I'm also not too fond of the use of the word scrub. A scrub is someone who takes part in the behaviour above, not a newcomer or someone who doesn'tp lay a game or even just bad. I hate when it's thrown around in an insulting manner.


  • #69
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    bombidol wrote: »
    Its not a serious tournament. This is 100% for the craic. Ive done tournaments before and the lads with mental stick systems show up and ruin the beginners fighting chance. Original gamepads provided, prize is a bottle of hooch and the craic of playing with the gang.

    These events are obviously designed to bring as many people to the pub as possible and generate as much revenue as possible.

    The last time there was a SF tournament in Thomas House about ten of us showed up, had fun and spent a lot of money.

    If you want to lose out on money be my guest, but it's a terrible business decision.


  • #70
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    The guy who won consecutively in the Fibbers tournaments used a pad and always mocked stick users in playful way. There was a few stick users beaten by paddies throughout, too. The mix always seemed to work out.


  • #71
    Star Lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    A scrub is someone who takes part in the behaviour above, not a newcomer or someone who doesn't play a game or even just bad.

    A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me.


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  • #72
    Silverfish
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    No Mortal Kombat on the megadrive? Pfft. PFFFT.


    Sounds like fun though, might try make it along.


  • #73
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I was banking on a Pit Fighter or Rise of the Robots tourney, count me out!
    Primarily because I completely suck donkey balls at street fighter, and not in a sexy way either :(

    Still, I rank slightly higher than those expecting to play Temple Run and Angry Birds.


  • #74
    bombidol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Wow, this got out of control pretty quick. My main concern are people coming in expecting a serious tournament. This aint the night. If there was call for it, I would host a SF/Tekken/Whatever tournament night no worries.
    This is strictly for fun, if your fun comes from playing people that are on a similar level (good) to you at Fighting games then this may not be the night for you. However, if you want to play some Duck hunt, Mario Kart and Super Monkey Ball, this is the one.
    I'll be hosting the KOF2002 tournament for the laugh, the week later its probably going to be a Mario Kart 64 tournament.
    By all means, if some people want to run a serious tournament on 360 or whatever, I'll gladly bring mine in with a HDTV and set it up so people can bring in their fight sticks and play? Or drop in on the night and have a yap to me and we will see what we can sort out.


  • #75
    Retr0gamer
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    So what do you do if you don't mind playing on a pad but are good at fighting games?


  • #76
    Mr.Saturn
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    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    So what do you do if you don't mind playing on a pad but are good at fighting games?

    Win, I imagine.


  • #77
    Simon_K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    I'd say adjust accordingly? - after all, are you going there to win no matter what or to have fun?

    If it's the former - as bombidol said, if you want some serious competition, this can be arranged, but I'm guessing that the main idea is to bring together people who enjoy games and want to have fun playing some oldschool games...


  • #78
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I could be missing something, but from what I can gather everyone is welcome whether you're good bad or indifferent at games. The no sticks thing is just to ensure it's not taken too seriously, everyone has a bit of craic, & everyone is using the same setup. I don't think thats meant to offend or exclude the more competitive guys, is it not really just to keep the event more akin to a few mates having a few beers rather than a full on competition?

    As the OP mentioned, more serious events can be arranged too, so it's all good. Do we really want to get bogged down in the elitism that's inherent in a lot of 'gamer' discussion? We're better than that lads :)


  • #79
    Simon_K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    Should've waited for your response EnterNow, as it reiterates what I said but sounds better in every way :)


  • #80
    bombidol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Thats it, i want to keep it fun and casual. However a "Serious Corner" can be set up if you want. Im currently planning out the space so someone better step forward to run said "Serious Corner" So I can allocate space for it.


  • #81
    Retr0gamer
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    I'm just worried that it sounds like you are excluding people due to their skill which I find wrong and not really fair. I mean sure you will get your ass kicked in the tournament by the good players but sure isn't that the point of a competition. the competition shouldn't last long and after that I'm pretty sure the good people aren't going to be hogging the console and not letting anyone have any fun at all. Well if they do do that then they are being dicks and there's a good reason to exclude them. The people that are good at fighting games and going to turn up to this aren't interested in a bottle of plonk, they're there to enjoy themselves as well.

    I'm sure anyone that is good at the game would be happy to even show people how to play properly and there might be people that want to learn. The only real reason for excluding people from anything is if they are causing trouble.


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  • #82
    bombidol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Im not excluding anyone. Im simply stating that the hardware thats set up should be used for the night. Its already a logistical nightmare trying to store, set up and track a dozen old TVs, consoles, controllers, games and accessories!
    There are controllers in the bar set up and ready to use, fully tested and not faulty. If no one wants to play KOF2002 for a tournament with that set up, the console will come available for free play.


  • #83
    Shiranui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Shiranui


    Good 4players Party games on PS2:
    Mashed Fully Loaded
    Dreammix tv world fighters (this is super smash bros melee with Snake and Bomberman on the roster :D )
    Onimusha BladeWarriors
    Bomberman Hardball

    Im up to play any oldschool 2d fighter on ps2 btw for the craic. I used to be hardcore now im casual :>


  • #84
    CosmicSmash
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    I had visions of eight player Mario Kart and multiplayer Monkey Ball,where did all go wrong. Those are the type of games that you can have a laugh playing, to be honest I think if people want to organise fighting tournaments let them and let them bring their own pad, stick or even their granny if they think it will help. I don't think a general retro game night is the right place and a lot of people seem to be taking things way too seriously and it's dragged the thread way off course. Seems to be a lot of serious fighting tournaments organised here:rolleyes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1204


  • #85
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Well, this thread descended into exactly what I thought it would...

    The problem we have is below. This is why I was annoyed, and it does sound exclusionary.
    bombidol wrote: »
    Ive done tournaments before and the lads with mental stick systems show up and ruin the beginners fighting chance.

    In what world does the above not sound exclusionary towards people who play competitively. Also inaccurate, as mentioned- many of our best players play on pad and if a game is played that they're good at there, you've just made a situation where there's less people there to stop them.

    In future, perhaps just say "we're providing the controllers, don't bring your own" without saying something like the above that picks on (paying) customers. The paying customers, I'd think, that are most likely to come back.
    bombidol wrote: »
    Im not excluding anyone. Im simply stating that the hardware thats set up should be used for the night. Its already a logistical nightmare trying to store, set up and track a dozen old TVs, consoles, controllers, games and accessories!
    There are controllers in the bar set up and ready to use, fully tested and not faulty. If no one wants to play KOF2002 for a tournament with that set up, the console will come available for free play.

    The above sounded exclusionary. I'm sorry but it did.
    Monkeykube wrote: »
    I had visions of eight player Mario Kart and multiplayer Monkey Ball,where did all go wrong. Those are the type of games that you can have a laugh playing, to be honest I think if people want to organise fighting tournaments let them and let them bring their own pad, stick or even their granny if they think it will help. I don't think a general retro game night is the right place and a lot of people seem to be taking things way too seriously and it's dragged the thread way off course. Seems to be a lot of serious fighting tournaments organised here:rolleyes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1204

    As above, we organise events all the time, and we would never, ever, dream of making a statement like "we don't want the event ruined by people of skill level x like they did in the past". I'd love to pop along, and I might do. I have in the past.
    EnterNow wrote: »
    I could be missing something, but from what I can gather everyone is welcome whether you're good bad or indifferent at games. The no sticks thing is just to ensure it's not taken too seriously, everyone has a bit of craic, & everyone is using the same setup. I don't think thats meant to offend or exclude the more competitive guys, is it not really just to keep the event more akin to a few mates having a few beers rather than a full on competition?

    As the OP mentioned, more serious events can be arranged too, so it's all good. Do we really want to get bogged down in the elitism that's inherent in a lot of 'gamer' discussion? We're better than that lads :)

    It's not about being elitist, it was 100% about the initial statement. I've actually attended these events in the past and the statement above is actually about me personally (I and my stick won that tournament).

    Anyway, getting beyond that, I wish the OP luck and if I'm about on the night I'll probably pop in.


  • #86
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
    No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative


  • #87
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
    No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative

    "Bait a bit of sense into me" :)


  • #88
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,288 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I'm not really into fighters at all, but would love to see high score competitions in shmups/run n guns and the like. It's not something which really exists in Ireland to my knowledge at all. Nowhere near the level of Fighter meets anyway.

    Edit; doesn't even have to be just high score, I'd also love to see 1cc attempt competitions too.


  • #89
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Doctor DooM wrote: »
    It's not about being elitist, it was 100% about the initial statement. I've actually attended these events in the past and the statement above is actually about me personally (I and my stick won that tournament).

    No I didn't mean to imply it was elitist to want to use sticks or anything, & if there's a personal touch to any of the comments I certainly wasn't aware of them or their history.

    Perhaps the OP could have worded the conditions in more diplomatic way, but again, personally, I just read it as "this is going to be a night where we get together, have a few drinks, & play some games", as opposed to a full on tournament, & all that goes with them.


  • #90
    Simon_K
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I'm not really into fighters at all, but would love to see high score competitions in shmups/run n guns and the like. It's not something which really exists in Ireland to my knowledge at all. Nowhere near the level of Fighter meets anyway.

    Edit; doesn't even have to be just high score, I'd also love to see 1cc attempt competitions too.

    Oh god I just remembered.

    OP, if you can get "cadillacs and dinosaurs" and "Ikaruga"... that would be awesome :)


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  • #91
    Doctor DooM
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
    No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative

    Most people who're decent at an FG will have a good old natter about it if you straight up ask them, for example I'll talk all day about SF if I'm allowed to! If we end up on a console some time I'll show you how the basic metagame works. That mindset, anyway, is what a competitive player would consider "healthy". There's nothing wrong with being worse at a game than someone else. There is something wrong with getting angry or blaming them for being so!

    I actually think the same is true of all retro games, I love watching people who really know a game talk about it and run through it. Unfortunately I think all the real KoF experts in Ireland were about 7 when '02 came out :D

    Actually, wouldn't a sonic speedrun or something be an awesome competition for something like this?


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