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Games Night in Thomas House

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Probably going to miss this. Have to meet the client for the last time before we hand over the game at the end of the month then I've to run home and collect 'me entitlements!'. If I was hanging around in town later and didn't have to go home I would have made it in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Well if it goes well ill be running it every Thursday. So hopefully we will see you down there at some stage!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    Burnout series on playstation 2?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    AvP on the Jaguar is a must.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    AvP on the Jaguar is a must.

    But it's not a competitive first person shooter. You are wrong calling it that it's actually a horror adventure game with survival and micro management elements and physics based moved that just happens to be in the first person :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    Meh 'experts' :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    You shoot from the 1st person perspective, it's an FPS :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭DinoRex


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    But it's not a competitive first person shooter. You are wrong calling it that it's actually a horror adventure game with survival and micro management elements and physics based moved that just happens to be in the first person :P

    But at the end of the game you have to kill Hitler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    I think you're thinking of a different game: Heretic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭Parawind


    Mario kart double dash on GC would make a great 2 vs 2 tournament.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    So, how did it go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Simon_K


    Doesnt it start next month?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭bombidol


    Starts in September!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Don't worry I made the same mistake :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    What's this about a retro night in my house?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,292 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    OwaynOTT wrote: »
    What's this about a retro night in my house?

    Now all I need is your surname and your pin code...:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Now all I need is your surname and your pin code...:pac:

    Moore and 1535, lets see if anyone can get the reference :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,292 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Thomas Moore is my granddad. And funnily enough, he grew up on Thomas street. Is that his pin code?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Thomas Moore is my granddad. And funnily enough, he grew up on Thomas street. Is that his pin code?

    It would be a major coincident if it was, as that's Thomas Moore's date of his death, he died of a deficiency in the head department.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    OwaynOTT wrote: »
    Moore and 1535, lets see if anyone can get the reference :cool:

    [cough] History nerd! [/cough]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    Gonna try make it to this. The Thomas House is one of the best bars in Dublin if ya ask me. Little gem so it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    [cough] History nerd! [/cough]

    No fair! Contemporaries of the deceased were excluded from guessing. :p


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    he he, it's like my childhood friend Jesus said, it's all a joke really......
    jebus.jpg
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWxvIGZXWDsEhjBlRywjPCFznG-FB4RgRQ25UgUZPLb1rv_JtO9Q


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,656 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    CiDeRmAn wrote: »
    he he, it's like my childhood friend Jesus said, it's all a joke really......
    jebus.jpg
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWxvIGZXWDsEhjBlRywjPCFznG-FB4RgRQ25UgUZPLb1rv_JtO9Q

    So are you make believe like Jesus? But I meet you, or did I...


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,874 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    I don't want to make this into a competitive vs casual thing, and also I don't want to sound negative because I support all and any event to bring gaming to a wider audience, but I have to ask- why are people who like sticks being punished and not allowed have fun?

    Sticks were the way retro games were often designed to be played, especially those that were originally in the arcades. I bought a stick for my megadrive as a kid before there was such a thing as competitive gaming even in this country.

    I don't enjoy games as much on pad not just because I'm a competitive gamer (which I am) but because I am old and hate playing shumps, FGs, platformers, or in fact any game that was designed to be played in a 2D plane on one. Sticks just feel better.

    The competitive argument is another one, but this isn't the right forum for that argument, but I have to wonder why people who play competitively's fun is less important than those who do not.

    Not that there's a single KoF '02 competitve player in the country, and I should point out the three best FG players in the country use pads, so it's a completely useless rule in the first place, save for making the event less fun for someone like me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    bombidol wrote: »
    Its not a serious tournament. This is 100% for the craic. Ive done tournaments before and the lads with mental stick systems show up
    I don't think you even realise how dumb that sounds to anybody who's played fighting games. A stick is just another controller, some people like them because they're big and cool looking.
    and ruin the beginners fighting chance.
    I don't even know where to begin with this.
    If it's a game player X played 10 years ago in arcade, is he banned too?
    What if I go into training mode and play solid for the next week, am I banned because I know how to play?
    craic of playing with the gang.
    http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
    Let’s consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. The scrubs will play “for fun” and not explore the extremities of the game. They won’t find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. The good players will. The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns. As they play the game more, they’ll be forced to find counters to those tactics. The vast majority of tactics that at first appear unbeatable end up having counters, though they are often quite subtle and difficult to discover. Knowing the counter tactic prevents the other player from using his tactic, but he can then use a counter to your counter. You are now afraid to use your counter and the opponent can go back to sneaking in the original overpowering tactic. This concept will be covered in much more detail later.

    The good players are reaching higher and higher levels of play. They found the “cheap stuff” and abused it. They know how to stop the cheap stuff. They know how to stop the other guy from stopping it so they can keep doing it. And as is quite common in competitive games, many new tactics will later be discovered that make the original cheap tactic look wholesome and fair. Often in fighting games, one character will have something so good it’s unfair. Fine, let him have that. As time goes on, it will be discovered that other characters have even more powerful and unfair tactics. Each player will attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, much how grandmaster chess players attempt to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak.

    Let’s return to the group of scrubs. They don’t know the first thing about all the depth I’ve been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more “fun.” Superficially, their argument does at least look valid, since often their games will be more “wet and wild” than games between the experts, which are usually more controlled and refined. But any close examination will reveal that the experts are having a great deal of this “fun” on a higher level than the scrub can even imagine. Throwing together some circus act of a win isn’t nearly as satisfying as reading your opponent’s mind to such a degree that you can counter his every move, even his every counter.

    Can you imagine what will happen when the two groups of players meet? The experts will absolutely destroy the scrubs with any number of tactics they’ve either never seen or never been truly forced to counter. This is because the scrubs have not been playing the same game. The experts were playing the actual game while the scrubs were playing their own homemade variant with restricting, unwritten rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,292 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Easy solution - play with what is provided in Thomas House.

    Nobody brings their own control hardware - so everyone is on a level playing field using the same equipment (be it controllers/sticks/whatever)

    I also hate playing games designed for stick with controllers. However if it's what the owner of the bar wishes then that's his decision.
    wrote:
    Let’s return to the group of scrubs. They don’t know the first thing about all the depth I’ve been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more “fun.”

    I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,036 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    o1s1n wrote: »
    I also hate playing games designed for stick with controllers. However if it's what the owner of the bar wishes then that's his decision.
    3 of the best SFIV players in Ireland play on pad, as do 2 of the best Marvel vs Capcom 3 players.
    Put the work in, you can beat a guy with a €150+ stick easy.
    I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.
    It's not "holier than thou", it's "I like this game and got good at it".

    Here's an easy example:
    Tekken 3, VS. Eddy Gordo.
    Scrub level: Player A picks Eddy & mashes on kicks. Player B keeps walking into kicks, gets mad, their gameplay doesn't evolve, and soon they get bored.

    Non-scrub level: Player A picks Eddy. Player B learns how to block and punish. Soon, Player A stops mashing and starts incorporating safe moves, unexpectedly stops his strings, does throws when he knows Player B is thinking to block, etc.
    Their mindgames and overall game continuously evolve. They don't grow bored because they're having fun learning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,292 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    3 of the best SFIV players in Ireland play on pad, as do 2 of the best Marvel vs Capcom 3 players.
    Put the work in, you can beat a guy with a €150+ stick easy.

    On an original Xbox pad? I think you'd probably throw the piece of garbage away in anger long before you got good with it :D
    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    It's not "holier than thou", it's "I like this game and got good at it".

    It is though, as it's saying that the 'scrub' (that term is even mightier than thou in itself) doesn't really know what 'fun' is, as in their ignorance (:rolleyes:) 'mash' the keypad like some kind of neanderthal.

    Maybe for some, mashing keys on a pad is actually fun and they don't want the depth that goes with the competitive fighting community? For the vast majority of folk sitting in a city centre bar, that's going to be fun.

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with competitive gaming by the way (I love it in fact, more of a shmup man myself though), but it just doesn't seem to be what the OP wants at his venue.


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