Games Night in Thomas House

Grayditch

Gonna try make it to this. The Thomas House is one of the best bars in Dublin if ya ask me. Little gem so it is.

OwaynOTT

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

[cough] History nerd! [/cough]

No fair! Contemporaries of the deceased were excluded from guessing.

CiDeRmAn

he he, it's like my childhood friend Jesus said, it's all a joke really......

OwaynOTT

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

he he, it's like my childhood friend Jesus said, it's all a joke really......

So are you make believe like Jesus? But I meet you, or did I...

Retr0gamer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IONyLZn0pLI

Doctor DooM

I don't want to make this into a competitive vs casual thing, and also I don't want to sound negative because I support all and any event to bring gaming to a wider audience, but I have to ask- why are people who like sticks being punished and not allowed have fun?

Sticks were the way retro games were often designed to be played, especially those that were originally in the arcades. I bought a stick for my megadrive as a kid before there was such a thing as competitive gaming even in this country.

I don't enjoy games as much on pad not just because I'm a competitive gamer (which I am) but because I am old and hate playing shumps, FGs, platformers, or in fact any game that was designed to be played in a 2D plane on one. Sticks just feel better.

The competitive argument is another one, but this isn't the right forum for that argument, but I have to wonder why people who play competitively's fun is less important than those who do not.

Not that there's a single KoF '02 competitve player in the country, and I should point out the three best FG players in the country use pads, so it's a completely useless rule in the first place, save for making the event less fun for someone like me.

K.O.Kiki

bombidol wrote: »

Its not a serious tournament. This is 100% for the craic. Ive done tournaments before and the lads with mental stick systems show up

I don't think you even realise how dumb that sounds to anybody who's played fighting games. A stick is just another controller, some people like them because they're big and cool looking.

and ruin the beginners fighting chance.

I don't even know where to begin with this.
If it's a game player X played 10 years ago in arcade, is he banned too?
What if I go into training mode and play solid for the next week, am I banned because I know how to play?

craic of playing with the gang.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

Let’s consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. The scrubs will play “for fun” and not explore the extremities of the game. They won’t find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. The good players will. The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns. As they play the game more, they’ll be forced to find counters to those tactics. The vast majority of tactics that at first appear unbeatable end up having counters, though they are often quite subtle and difficult to discover. Knowing the counter tactic prevents the other player from using his tactic, but he can then use a counter to your counter. You are now afraid to use your counter and the opponent can go back to sneaking in the original overpowering tactic. This concept will be covered in much more detail later.

The good players are reaching higher and higher levels of play. They found the “cheap stuff” and abused it. They know how to stop the cheap stuff. They know how to stop the other guy from stopping it so they can keep doing it. And as is quite common in competitive games, many new tactics will later be discovered that make the original cheap tactic look wholesome and fair. Often in fighting games, one character will have something so good it’s unfair. Fine, let him have that. As time goes on, it will be discovered that other characters have even more powerful and unfair tactics. Each player will attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, much how grandmaster chess players attempt to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak.

Let’s return to the group of scrubs. They don’t know the first thing about all the depth I’ve been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more “fun.” Superficially, their argument does at least look valid, since often their games will be more “wet and wild” than games between the experts, which are usually more controlled and refined. But any close examination will reveal that the experts are having a great deal of this “fun” on a higher level than the scrub can even imagine. Throwing together some circus act of a win isn’t nearly as satisfying as reading your opponent’s mind to such a degree that you can counter his every move, even his every counter.

Can you imagine what will happen when the two groups of players meet? The experts will absolutely destroy the scrubs with any number of tactics they’ve either never seen or never been truly forced to counter. This is because the scrubs have not been playing the same game. The experts were playing the actual game while the scrubs were playing their own homemade variant with restricting, unwritten rules.

o1s1n

Easy solution - play with what is provided in Thomas House.

Nobody brings their own control hardware - so everyone is on a level playing field using the same equipment (be it controllers/sticks/whatever)

I also hate playing games designed for stick with controllers. However if it's what the owner of the bar wishes then that's his decision.

wrote:

Let’s return to the group of scrubs. They don’t know the first thing about all the depth I’ve been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more “fun.”

I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.

K.O.Kiki

o1s1n wrote: »

I also hate playing games designed for stick with controllers. However if it's what the owner of the bar wishes then that's his decision.

3 of the best SFIV players in Ireland play on pad, as do 2 of the best Marvel vs Capcom 3 players.
Put the work in, you can beat a guy with a €150+ stick easy.

I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.

It's not "holier than thou", it's "I like this game and got good at it".

Here's an easy example:
Tekken 3, VS. Eddy Gordo.
Scrub level: Player A picks Eddy & mashes on kicks. Player B keeps walking into kicks, gets mad, their gameplay doesn't evolve, and soon they get bored.

Non-scrub level: Player A picks Eddy. Player B learns how to block and punish. Soon, Player A stops mashing and starts incorporating safe moves, unexpectedly stops his strings, does throws when he knows Player B is thinking to block, etc.
Their mindgames and overall game continuously evolve. They don't grow bored because they're having fun learning.

o1s1n

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

3 of the best SFIV players in Ireland play on pad, as do 2 of the best Marvel vs Capcom 3 players.
Put the work in, you can beat a guy with a €150+ stick easy.

On an original Xbox pad? I think you'd probably throw the piece of garbage away in anger long before you got good with it

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

It's not "holier than thou", it's "I like this game and got good at it".

It is though, as it's saying that the 'scrub' (that term is even mightier than thou in itself) doesn't really know what 'fun' is, as in their ignorance (:rolleyes:) 'mash' the keypad like some kind of neanderthal.

Maybe for some, mashing keys on a pad is actually fun and they don't want the depth that goes with the competitive fighting community? For the vast majority of folk sitting in a city centre bar, that's going to be fun.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with competitive gaming by the way (I love it in fact, more of a shmup man myself though), but it just doesn't seem to be what the OP wants at his venue.

Azza

I doubt anyone in the country plays KoF 2002 seriously or competitively and their is probably very few that have a fight stick that would work with an original Xbox so its kinda a mute point. Aside from that a stick isn't something that gives people an advantage over pad players, its a personal preference that many older players tend to go for because its how they use to play fighting games in the arcade.

o1s1n wrote:

I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.

But the way rule is put, it come across as, dedicated players are not welcome.

Doctor DooM

o1s1n wrote: »

Easy solution - play with what is provided in Thomas House.

Nobody brings their own control hardware - so everyone is on a level playing field using the same equipment (be it controllers/sticks/whatever)

I also hate playing games designed for stick with controllers. However if it's what the owner of the bar wishes then that's his decision.

Indeed, it's an all or nothing thing. I certainly wouldn't be bothered to play in an event like that. It's not how it's done.

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this mightier than thou fighting 'elite' attitude is exactly the kind of thing he's trying to keep out.

Ugh, I didn't want to do this...

It's only holier-than-thou if you cherry pick that bit.

The problem, as kiki alluded to, is this. How do you decide what's too "elite" for the event?

For example, I'm well known for Guile play. No matter what version of SF is there I'm going to pick Guile or Charlie and beat people with frustrating zoning fundamentals.

Now, some people will say that's unfair. So, who decides? Is guile suddenly disallowed? Because I have the gall to be good with him?

Ok, so then I go to Ryu, and use hadokens instead. Loads of people will have problems with that too, so does some arbitrary judge decide no fireballs?

All the time, I'm being told you can't do that, you can't do this, rules that are only added for someone else who's arbitrarily deciding what is fun. Why does MY fun not matter? Or people who want to see the game played well?

Wouldn't it just be more fun for everyone to stop blaming other people and just explore the game and have fun, instead of standing on each other every time one has the gall to find something new or unusual?

I just really want to go to things and meet new people and play Streetfighter.

o1s1n

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Indeed, it's an all or nothing thing. I certainly wouldn't be bothered to play in an event like that. It's not how it's done.

Either would I - but then maybe we can come to the conclusion that it's an event which isn't to our tastes? Not everything has to be done to a standard we agree with.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

The problem, as kiki alluded to, is this. How do you decide what's too "elite" for the event?

For example, I'm well known for Guile play. No matter what version of SF is there I'm going to pick Guile or Charlie and beat people with frustrating zoning fundamentals.

Now, some people will say that's unfair. So, who decides? Is guile suddenly disallowed? Because I have the gall to be good with him?

Ok, so then I go to Ryu, and use hadokens instead. Loads of people will have problems with that too, so does some arbitrary judge decide no fireballs?

All the time, I'm being told you can't do that, you can't do this, rules that are only added for someone else who's arbitrarily deciding what is fun. Why does MY fun not matter? Or people who want to see the game played well?

Again, I know exactly what you're getting at, but I don't think this is the kind of event which is trying to cater towards a crowd which will be worried about the above.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Wouldn't it just be more fun for everyone to stop blaming other people and just explore the game and have fun, instead of standing on each other every time one has the gall to find something new or unusual?

I just really want to go to things and meet new people and play Streetfighter.

Oh definitely! Couldn't agree more. I'm just trying to explain what the OP was on about as I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

Maybe I should just STFU and just let him speak for himself

Doctor DooM

o1s1n wrote: »

Either would I - but then maybe we can come to the conclusion that it's an event which isn't to our tastes? Not everything has to be done to a standard we agree with.

I'd potentially agree- although would consider it doomed to failure because if anyone got better they'd be gradually forced out for the reasons mentioned above- but the OP posted in the FG forum linking here. So, apparently, he wants us to come but not be ourselves.

Retr0gamer

I think once you ignore that OP's complete misunderstanding that a stick automatically makes you better (play against me, it doesn't) I think what he is saying is all are welcome, except if you are good at the game, then don't bother, which is all kinds of wrong.

If a fighting game player knows how to play they are going to destroy you, stick or pad.

Azza

Doctor Doom wrote:

For example, I'm well known for Guile play. No matter what version of SF is there I'm going to pick Guile or Charlie and beat people with frustrating zoning fundamentals.

Doctor DooM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I think once you ignore that OP's complete misunderstanding that a stick automatically makes you better (play against me, it doesn't) I think what he is saying is all are welcome, except if you are good at the game, then don't bother, which is all kinds of wrong.

If a fighting game player knows how to play they are going to destroy you, stick or pad.

To be fair, that's kind of putting words in his mouth.

I'm also not too fond of the use of the word scrub. A scrub is someone who takes part in the behaviour above, not a newcomer or someone who doesn'tp lay a game or even just bad. I hate when it's thrown around in an insulting manner.

chopperbyrne

bombidol wrote: »

Its not a serious tournament. This is 100% for the craic. Ive done tournaments before and the lads with mental stick systems show up and ruin the beginners fighting chance. Original gamepads provided, prize is a bottle of hooch and the craic of playing with the gang.

These events are obviously designed to bring as many people to the pub as possible and generate as much revenue as possible.

The last time there was a SF tournament in Thomas House about ten of us showed up, had fun and spent a lot of money.

If you want to lose out on money be my guest, but it's a terrible business decision.

Grayditch

The guy who won consecutively in the Fibbers tournaments used a pad and always mocked stick users in playful way. There was a few stick users beaten by paddies throughout, too. The mix always seemed to work out.

Star Lord

Doctor DooM wrote: »

A scrub is someone who takes part in the behaviour above, not a newcomer or someone who doesn't play a game or even just bad.

A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me.

Silverfish

No Mortal Kombat on the megadrive? Pfft. PFFFT.


Sounds like fun though, might try make it along.

CiDeRmAn

I was banking on a Pit Fighter or Rise of the Robots tourney, count me out!
Primarily because I completely suck donkey balls at street fighter, and not in a sexy way either

Still, I rank slightly higher than those expecting to play Temple Run and Angry Birds.

bombidol

Wow, this got out of control pretty quick. My main concern are people coming in expecting a serious tournament. This aint the night. If there was call for it, I would host a SF/Tekken/Whatever tournament night no worries.
This is strictly for fun, if your fun comes from playing people that are on a similar level (good) to you at Fighting games then this may not be the night for you. However, if you want to play some Duck hunt, Mario Kart and Super Monkey Ball, this is the one.
I'll be hosting the KOF2002 tournament for the laugh, the week later its probably going to be a Mario Kart 64 tournament.
By all means, if some people want to run a serious tournament on 360 or whatever, I'll gladly bring mine in with a HDTV and set it up so people can bring in their fight sticks and play? Or drop in on the night and have a yap to me and we will see what we can sort out.

Retr0gamer

So what do you do if you don't mind playing on a pad but are good at fighting games?

Mr.Saturn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So what do you do if you don't mind playing on a pad but are good at fighting games?

Win, I imagine.

Simon_K

I'd say adjust accordingly? - after all, are you going there to win no matter what or to have fun?

If it's the former - as bombidol said, if you want some serious competition, this can be arranged, but I'm guessing that the main idea is to bring together people who enjoy games and want to have fun playing some oldschool games...

Myrddin

I could be missing something, but from what I can gather everyone is welcome whether you're good bad or indifferent at games. The no sticks thing is just to ensure it's not taken too seriously, everyone has a bit of craic, & everyone is using the same setup. I don't think thats meant to offend or exclude the more competitive guys, is it not really just to keep the event more akin to a few mates having a few beers rather than a full on competition?

As the OP mentioned, more serious events can be arranged too, so it's all good. Do we really want to get bogged down in the elitism that's inherent in a lot of 'gamer' discussion? We're better than that lads

Simon_K

Should've waited for your response EnterNow, as it reiterates what I said but sounds better in every way

bombidol

Thats it, i want to keep it fun and casual. However a "Serious Corner" can be set up if you want. Im currently planning out the space so someone better step forward to run said "Serious Corner" So I can allocate space for it.

Retr0gamer

I'm just worried that it sounds like you are excluding people due to their skill which I find wrong and not really fair. I mean sure you will get your ass kicked in the tournament by the good players but sure isn't that the point of a competition. the competition shouldn't last long and after that I'm pretty sure the good people aren't going to be hogging the console and not letting anyone have any fun at all. Well if they do do that then they are being dicks and there's a good reason to exclude them. The people that are good at fighting games and going to turn up to this aren't interested in a bottle of plonk, they're there to enjoy themselves as well.

I'm sure anyone that is good at the game would be happy to even show people how to play properly and there might be people that want to learn. The only real reason for excluding people from anything is if they are causing trouble.

bombidol

Im not excluding anyone. Im simply stating that the hardware thats set up should be used for the night. Its already a logistical nightmare trying to store, set up and track a dozen old TVs, consoles, controllers, games and accessories!
There are controllers in the bar set up and ready to use, fully tested and not faulty. If no one wants to play KOF2002 for a tournament with that set up, the console will come available for free play.

Shiranui

Good 4players Party games on PS2:
Mashed Fully Loaded
Dreammix tv world fighters (this is super smash bros melee with Snake and Bomberman on the roster )
Onimusha BladeWarriors
Bomberman Hardball

Im up to play any oldschool 2d fighter on ps2 btw for the craic. I used to be hardcore now im casual :>

CosmicSmash

I had visions of eight player Mario Kart and multiplayer Monkey Ball,where did all go wrong. Those are the type of games that you can have a laugh playing, to be honest I think if people want to organise fighting tournaments let them and let them bring their own pad, stick or even their granny if they think it will help. I don't think a general retro game night is the right place and a lot of people seem to be taking things way too seriously and it's dragged the thread way off course. Seems to be a lot of serious fighting tournaments organised here:rolleyes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1204

Doctor DooM

Well, this thread descended into exactly what I thought it would...

The problem we have is below. This is why I was annoyed, and it does sound exclusionary.

bombidol wrote: »

Ive done tournaments before and the lads with mental stick systems show up and ruin the beginners fighting chance.

In what world does the above not sound exclusionary towards people who play competitively. Also inaccurate, as mentioned- many of our best players play on pad and if a game is played that they're good at there, you've just made a situation where there's less people there to stop them.

In future, perhaps just say "we're providing the controllers, don't bring your own" without saying something like the above that picks on (paying) customers. The paying customers, I'd think, that are most likely to come back.

bombidol wrote: »

Im not excluding anyone. Im simply stating that the hardware thats set up should be used for the night. Its already a logistical nightmare trying to store, set up and track a dozen old TVs, consoles, controllers, games and accessories!
There are controllers in the bar set up and ready to use, fully tested and not faulty. If no one wants to play KOF2002 for a tournament with that set up, the console will come available for free play.

The above sounded exclusionary. I'm sorry but it did.

Monkeykube wrote: »

I had visions of eight player Mario Kart and multiplayer Monkey Ball,where did all go wrong. Those are the type of games that you can have a laugh playing, to be honest I think if people want to organise fighting tournaments let them and let them bring their own pad, stick or even their granny if they think it will help. I don't think a general retro game night is the right place and a lot of people seem to be taking things way too seriously and it's dragged the thread way off course. Seems to be a lot of serious fighting tournaments organised here:rolleyes: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1204

As above, we organise events all the time, and we would never, ever, dream of making a statement like "we don't want the event ruined by people of skill level x like they did in the past". I'd love to pop along, and I might do. I have in the past.

EnterNow wrote: »

I could be missing something, but from what I can gather everyone is welcome whether you're good bad or indifferent at games. The no sticks thing is just to ensure it's not taken too seriously, everyone has a bit of craic, & everyone is using the same setup. I don't think thats meant to offend or exclude the more competitive guys, is it not really just to keep the event more akin to a few mates having a few beers rather than a full on competition?

As the OP mentioned, more serious events can be arranged too, so it's all good. Do we really want to get bogged down in the elitism that's inherent in a lot of 'gamer' discussion? We're better than that lads

It's not about being elitist, it was 100% about the initial statement. I've actually attended these events in the past and the statement above is actually about me personally (I and my stick won that tournament).

Anyway, getting beyond that, I wish the OP luck and if I'm about on the night I'll probably pop in.

CiDeRmAn

If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative

Grayditch

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative

"Bait a bit of sense into me"

o1s1n

I'm not really into fighters at all, but would love to see high score competitions in shmups/run n guns and the like. It's not something which really exists in Ireland to my knowledge at all. Nowhere near the level of Fighter meets anyway.

Edit; doesn't even have to be just high score, I'd also love to see 1cc attempt competitions too.

Myrddin

Doctor DooM wrote: »

It's not about being elitist, it was 100% about the initial statement. I've actually attended these events in the past and the statement above is actually about me personally (I and my stick won that tournament).

No I didn't mean to imply it was elitist to want to use sticks or anything, & if there's a personal touch to any of the comments I certainly wasn't aware of them or their history.

Perhaps the OP could have worded the conditions in more diplomatic way, but again, personally, I just read it as "this is going to be a night where we get together, have a few drinks, & play some games", as opposed to a full on tournament, & all that goes with them.

Simon_K

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm not really into fighters at all, but would love to see high score competitions in shmups/run n guns and the like. It's not something which really exists in Ireland to my knowledge at all. Nowhere near the level of Fighter meets anyway.

Edit; doesn't even have to be just high score, I'd also love to see 1cc attempt competitions too.

Oh god I just remembered.

OP, if you can get "cadillacs and dinosaurs" and "Ikaruga"... that would be awesome

Doctor DooM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative

Most people who're decent at an FG will have a good old natter about it if you straight up ask them, for example I'll talk all day about SF if I'm allowed to! If we end up on a console some time I'll show you how the basic metagame works. That mindset, anyway, is what a competitive player would consider "healthy". There's nothing wrong with being worse at a game than someone else. There is something wrong with getting angry or blaming them for being so!

I actually think the same is true of all retro games, I love watching people who really know a game talk about it and run through it. Unfortunately I think all the real KoF experts in Ireland were about 7 when '02 came out

Actually, wouldn't a sonic speedrun or something be an awesome competition for something like this?

Doctor DooM

Simon_K wrote: »

Oh god I just remembered.

OP, if you can get "cadillacs and dinosaurs" and "Ikaruga"... that would be awesome

Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Alien vs Predator Arcade, the Punisher, all those awesome later belt scrollers from Capcom... yes please!

Retr0gamer

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

If I was going I don't think I'd mind playing someone really good, I'd learn a lot more than playing against someone with the same pitiful skill base as me.
No joke there either, I find the genre interesting but impenetrable, to have a pro play a game or two, while the fights would be of a short duration it'd be informative

At my first meet up with the fighting game community I learned more about fighting games than I ever knew about them. It was an eye opener and they were more than happy to teach me.

EnterNow wrote: »

Perhaps the OP could have worded the conditions in more diplomatic way, but again, personally, I just read it as "this is going to be a night where we get together, have a few drinks, & play some games", as opposed to a full on tournament, & all that goes with them.

People who are good at games are perfectly capable of doing that as well though.

Doctor DooM

Retr0gamer wrote: »

People who are good at games are perfectly capable of doing that as well though.

I seem to recall picking Sagat in every match except the final, having a whole night on the beer singing along to music and cheering on the WWE games being played (including booing the FGC person who was doing well) and then sharing the drink with the runner up.

I personally had an excellent night and it was definitely fun and beer > competition for me, despite winning it.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

People who are good at games are perfectly capable of doing that as well though.

I know, I beat a room full of people, twice, at a beers. You remember don't you?

I just think all Bombidol was getting at, was just not wanting a full on tournament atmosphere. A few mates with drinks playing Mario kart atmosphere is more what he's getting at I think. By bringing the competitive sticks & rigs, it's getting away from that.

Andrew76

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm not really into fighters at all, but would love to see high score competitions in shmups/run n guns and the like. It's not something which really exists in Ireland to my knowledge at all. Nowhere near the level of Fighter meets anyway.

Edit; doesn't even have to be just high score, I'd also love to see 1cc attempt competitions too.

Obviously I prefer shmups to fighters too, although SF2 Turbo will always have a place in my heart, but I do like watching some of those Evo tournaments - I have no idea what the commentators are talking about half the time but I can still appreciate the immense practice and skill that's required to get that good. It's great to watch experts in any field imo.

Would be cool if shmups had more of a presence alright.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

People who are good at games are perfectly capable of doing that as well though.

I don't think anyone said they are not.

EnterNow wrote: »

I know, I beat a room full of people, twice, at a beers. You remember don't you?

Everyone remembers. Was good craic that night.

EnterNow wrote: »

I just think all Bombidol was getting at, was just not wanting a full on tournament atmosphere. A few mates with drinks playing Mario kart atmosphere is more what he's getting at I think. By bringing the competitive sticks & rigs, it's getting away from that.

You'd be a rich man if you got paid everytime you had to repeat yourself.

K.O.Kiki

EnterNow wrote: »

I know, I beat a room full of people, twice, at a beers. You remember don't you?

I just think all Bombidol was getting at, was just not wanting a full on tournament atmosphere. A few mates with drinks playing Mario kart atmosphere is more what he's getting at I think. By bringing the competitive sticks & rigs, it's getting away from that.

If this was SF4 or some other popular game, I could understand if you want a "tournament" for a player's tertiary character, random select, or all-Dan.
Or maybe Rose-Ball.
Or maybe what you're thinking of is what we "pro" players call a "casuals session" - no stakes other than pride, winner stays on until he wins 3, freeplay.

If you run a TOURNAMENT, which by its very definition is a competition, trying to exclude players because "they're better" just makes your tourney look like a sham.

And for the last time: we don't lug around rigs to play fighters! My Madcatz TE easily fits in my rucksack. My retro stick (Konami Hyper Stick for PS1) is smaller than an A4 book.
I'm not sure if you're confusing us with PC players, or arcade cab owners...

Dr Bob

Forget about the sticks vs pads stuff the important question is...whens the DinoRex tourney eh?:)

Retr0gamer

Dr Bob wrote: »

Forget about the sticks vs pads stuff the important question is...whens the DinoRex tourney eh?:)

I'll never forgive you for what you said about that game in your video!

CiDeRmAn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

At my first meet up with the fighting game community I learned more about fighting games than I ever knew about them. It was an eye opener and they were more than happy to teach me.

A "virgin" Retr0 in a room full of men, then happy to teach and him happy to receive...
Surprises no one anywhere :P

bombidol

I feel like crying.