Shocking snake story; what pets would you ban?

April O Neill · 07-08-2013 01:52PM

seamus wrote: »

All dogs are dangerous. They have teeth designed to tear flesh and break bone. Whether they're a 20 stone Irish wolfhound or a 2lb Chihuahua is kind of irrelevant.

From the perspective of thin-skinned soft meatbags like us, the differences in canine teeth layouts and bite strength between the breeds is cosmetic. They will all do serious damage if they want to.

We're also talking about temperament here.

Don't know about dogs, but in lab mice, some breeds are inherently more aggressive, and some more placid. And how muscular the mouse breed is makes a difference too to that temperament.

Jimoslimos · 07-08-2013 02:03PM

seamus wrote: »

All dogs are dangerous. They have teeth designed to tear flesh and break bone. Whether they're a 20 stone Irish wolfhound or a 2lb Chihuahua is kind of irrelevant.

Size is perfectly relevant. If so why do police K9 units use German Shepherds over say a JRT? Regardless of aggression levels, a larger, more muscular dog will be more intimidating than a smaller one.

steddyeddy · 07-08-2013 02:28PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

It just means they are more muscled, faster,... than other breeds.

The character is what is formed by the owner.

Well I would have to guess that temperment is a genetic trait too.

Ush1 · 07-08-2013 02:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I would have to guess that temperment is a genetic trait too.

Don't need to guess.

Ush1 wrote: »

If you selectively breed something for aggression, it will be aggressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_aggression#Selective_breeding

Environment plays a role but genetics are a much more important factor.

RustyNut · 07-08-2013 02:53PM

hfallada wrote: »

Some of which are illegally poached endangered species, smuggled half way around the world.

I much prefer my animals lightly fried or grilled, it only me eggs I like poached

I'll get my coat.

Da Shins Kelly · 07-08-2013 06:29PM

Sephichan wrote: »

I just posted this in the other thread about this, but there are signs pointing to the fact that the snake did not kill the children. For one, the snake did not belong to the pet store, and it's tank was in the apartment building. The snake was also securely in the tank when the RCMP arrived, apparently one of the parents found it with the children and decided the best course of action was to unwrap it from the children, and put it back in it's tank. Honestly there is a huge fishy smell around the whole story after this got out.

Yeah, it stinks to high heaven. They're saying the snake fell through the ceiling now, and neither child woke up screaming amidst all of this?

It makes no sense for an animal like that to kill two and eat neither.

kylith · 07-08-2013 07:12PM

Ush1 wrote: »

I've had 2 pet dogs. Why do think I haven't?

Train it in what way? It wasnt a puppy and he had the dog about a month. Most domestic breeds of dog wont literally rip another one apart, trained or not.

Any dog can kill another, especially a strange one. I know of terriers who've killed other dogs, and a Ridgeback that killed a Labrador.

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Unfortunately the fighting pedigree (which exists, however much some would like to whitewash it out) appeals to young scumbags who see a dog as little more than a status symbol or some sort of weapon to brandish on the streets. This coupled with poor training and boredom is a recipe for disaster.

I wouldn't disagree that breeds have been bred to fight. The thing to remember is that they were bred to fight other dogs, not people. Indeed men need to be able to grab their fighting dogs during fights to break holds, so they do not want human-aggressive dogs and historically people-aggressive dogs were culled. When raised properly bull breeds are lovely dogs and fantastic with people, when raised badly they have the power to do a lot of damage, but so do other breeds of similar size. The difference is in the reporting. No paper is interested in a story about a collie that bites a 3 year old, but a story about an 'evil' breed will sell papers.

Even if you could remove every staffie, bully, Rott and GSD from the country they'd just move on to another breed and ruin that one too.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-08-2013 07:22PM

What are snakes like to keep? Do you develop any sort of relationship with them? Do they feel any emotion?

keelanj69 · 07-08-2013 07:28PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What are snakes like to keep? Do you develop any sort of relationship with them? Do they feel any emotion?

I was listening to a reptile zoo guy on the radio earlier. Short answer: No. Long answer: No.

They like when you give them food. Don't care for much else.

TheMilkyPirate · 07-08-2013 07:39PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

He told you that on the 1st of April didn't he??

Deleted User wrote: »

Urban legend number 472

REPTILEDAN88 wrote: »

Thats a total myth.

Ah yeah probably so but a cool story nonetheless

BillyMitchel · 07-08-2013 07:51PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Treating a dog decently means nothing. I know a guy who had pitbulls and one of his bitches was nice as pie to people but it used to kill birds and fight with another female he had. Eventually came home and it had ripped the other to pieces.

Large animals with sharp teeth, particularly that eat meat, are dangerous.

Rule number 1 of owning a Pit Bull never leave them alone with other dogs because of what might happen.

that guy you say you no is totally irresponsible and a total moron in my book. He IS to blame for what happen.

Ive been around bull breeds for over 20 years and never had a human aggressive dog and now moved on to Dogo's and once again not the slightest bit of human aggression and very little animal aggression for that matter.

Totally agree with another poster though, certain breeds should have certain licencees. Try enforcing that one though.

Mods these threads should be locked is always the same BS from a few gimps that read The Sun and The Daily Mail. Never a discussion about facts just fear mongering bollocks.

Jimoslimos · 07-08-2013 07:55PM

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't disagree that breeds have been bred to fight. The thing to remember is that they were bred to fight other dogs, not people. Indeed men need to be able to grab their fighting dogs during fights to break holds, so they do not want human-aggressive dogs and historically people-aggressive dogs were culled. When raised properly bull breeds are lovely dogs and fantastic with people, when raised badly they have the power to do a lot of damage, but so do other breeds of similar size. The difference is in the reporting. No paper is interested in a story about a collie that bites a 3 year old, but a story about an 'evil' breed will sell papers.

They've also been bred to attack humans, the Romans used attack dogs extensively during battle. Modern warfare (guns, shells, explosions, etc) has rendered that type of frontline role mostly obsolete and dogs are usually trained for sentry or detection duties. Attack dogs still have a role today, usually as police dogs for apprehending criminals - they'd be pretty useless if they were only bred for attacking other dogs.

kylith wrote: »

Even if you could remove every staffie, bully, Rott and GSD from the country they'd just move on to another breed and ruin that one too.

Unfortunately correct. Any owner of the above (or indeed any dog) should abhor the rise in puppy farms and intensive breeding to satisfy the demand for the latest "fashionable dog".

scwazrh · 07-08-2013 10:03PM

Pai Mei wrote: »

Any exotic animal that is kept in a cage for life. It's not right IMO

So should I just let my Indian Parrot out with the crows in the morning?

I agree wild caught animals should not be kept in cages but captive bred animals when cared for correctly by educated keepers will have a different but fulfilling life.

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:05PM

scwazrh wrote: »

So should I just let my Indian Parrot out with the crows in the morning?.

No because I'm gonna let my Harris hawk out in the morning and it'll more than likely eat your parrot

scwazrh · 07-08-2013 10:09PM

But some people would think its better for it to be free for the couple of minutes before its eaten :rolleyes:

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:11PM

scwazrh wrote: »

But some people would think its better for it to be free for the couple of minutes before its eaten :rolleyes:

Them same people are the same people who released the mink from the fur farms and of course what happened there!!??

scwazrh · 07-08-2013 10:12PM

At least the mink are happy!

Pai Mei · 07-08-2013 10:13PM

Birds have wings for a reason though so why would you want to keep it in a cage just to look at. Not really a "fulfilling life" in my opinion.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 07-08-2013 10:14PM

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Pit bull terriers or any other breed of dog specifically bred/evolved for fighting. I hate seeing young men walking about with them un-muzzled thinking that the hard look of the dog somehow portrays onto them.

You need to educate yourself.

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:15PM

Pai Mei wrote: »

Birds have wings for a reason though so why would you want to keep it in a cage just to look at. Not really a "fulfilling life" in my opinion.

Fish have fins fir a reason yet are kept in 4 foot tanks?!

Pai Mei · 07-08-2013 10:16PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Fish have fins fir a reason yet are kept in 4 foot tanks?!

My point exactly.

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:18PM

Pai Mei wrote: »

My point exactly.

Are you a vegan?

Pai Mei · 07-08-2013 10:19PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Are you a vegan?

No lol what made you think that?

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:21PM

Pai Mei wrote: »

No lol what made you think that?

I was gonna throw the whole ' do you eat chicken and that they are kept in tiny cramped cages and can't walk and end up on your plate and that if it bothered you then you wouldn't eat them and bla bla bla.
You know that old chestnut

scwazrh · 07-08-2013 10:21PM

Pai Mei wrote: »

Birds have wings for a reason though so why would you want to keep it in a cage just to look at. Not really a "fulfilling life" in my opinion.

I don't keep birds in a cage just to "look" at them.I have 3 house birds who spend most of their time except sleep time out of the cage with me or other members of my family and a number of other birds which are kept in aviaries.Majority of pet birds are so far from their free flight ancestors that they simply will not survive unless cared for .

The old argument of not keeping birds in cages is similar to saying that humans should not live in apartments and work in offices because our ancestors didn't.

keelanj69 · 07-08-2013 10:21PM

Pai Mei wrote: »

My point exactly.

What quality of life would a fish have in the wild that it doesn't have in a tank? Both involve a fish constantly saying 'Damn I'm hungry'. It's not like you are depriving it of fish university. Or the latest fish fashion, or fish cinema or fish music.

...Right?

Cookie_Monster · 07-08-2013 10:23PM

keelanj69 wrote: »

What quality of life would a fish have in the wild that it doesn't have in a tank? Both involve a fish constantly saying 'Damn I'm hungry'. It's not like you are depriving it of fish university. Or the latest fish fashion, or fish cinema or fish music.

...Right?

depends on the fish, the water quality, the vegetation, cover, other species available etc.
You can keep a goldfish perfectly happy with ease, can you say yhte same about a Marlin?

wazky · 07-08-2013 10:23PM

scwazrh wrote: »

I don't keep birds in a cage just to "look" at them.I have 3 house birds who spend most of their time except sleep time out of the cage with me or other members of my family and a number of other birds which are kept in aviaries.Majority of pet birds are so far from their free flight ancestors that they simply will not survive unless cared for .

The old argument of not keeping birds in cages is similar to saying that humans should not live in apartments and work in offices because our ancestors didn't.

That's called evolution.

Locking a bird in a cage is not.

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:24PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

depends on the fish, the water quality, the vegetation, cover, other species available etc.
You can keep a goldfish perfectly happy with ease, can you say yhte same about a Marlin?

Have you got a tank big enough for a marlin??

dodderangler · 07-08-2013 10:25PM

wazky wrote: »

That's called evolution.

Locking a bird in a cage is not.

Birds have been kept in cages for hundreds of years

Shocking snake story; what pets would you ban?

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