Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

Uriel. · 06-08-2013 10:47AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so can you outline the reasons to support them then?

I don't, but I am not smug enough like you to make throwaway comments on other's opinions.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-08-2013 10:48AM

To hell with these shower of greedy selfish bástards.

Did they think once about how this would effect the public? Did they fcuk...

Why is this tolerated?

Uriel. · 06-08-2013 10:53AM

Arthur Calm Brush wrote: »

To hell with these shower of greedy selfish bástards.

Did they think once about how this would effect the public? Did they fcuk...

Why is this tolerated?

tolerated by who? the public, or DB Management, or the Government?

cdebru · 06-08-2013 10:54AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

well their finance statements suggest otherwise. their management bills is around 300k-400k, out of total staff costs of €181million.

regardless of what you say or not, there ARE drivers who get paid around 50k and many of them in fact. new drivers maybe on about 30k.

bull**** the CEO gets 190,000 are you saying the rest of the management of the company earn between 110, and 210k between them?

wages and salaries are 148 million 3236 employees gives you an average in around 46k

http://www.dublinbus.ie/PageFiles/2430/2012EnglishReport.pdf

it is on page 33

Thats the average it includes everyone managers, supervisors, inspectors, drivers, mechanics clerical.

Drivers make up the largest group of employees over 2000 if they were earning what you say then they would be better paid than anyone else in the company including their supervisors and management.

last time it is nonsense but often repeated nonsense so people start to believe it.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-08-2013 10:54AM

Uriel. wrote: »

tolerated by who? the public, or DB Management, or the Government?

Everybody.

Uriel. · 06-08-2013 10:56AM

Arthur Calm Brush wrote: »

Everybody.

what do you propose?

cdebru · 06-08-2013 10:56AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

How does the Dublin Bus accident incident rate compare relatively to the rest of the world?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-bus-at-top-of-world-safety-league-26568533.html

Very well.

cdebru · 06-08-2013 10:57AM

Uriel. wrote: »

what do you propose?

A William Martin Murphy approach is my guess.:rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd · 06-08-2013 10:58AM

cdebru wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-bus-at-top-of-world-safety-league-26568533.html

Very well.

Sounds like the drivers are worth what they're paid then, right?

becost · 06-08-2013 11:00AM

I think this bus strike is great. I was able to park my car in the bus lane right outside the post office when collecting my dole this morning.

Dyr · 06-08-2013 11:00AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Sounds like the drivers are worth what they're paid then, right?

No! Nay! NEEVVVUURRR!!

cdebru · 06-08-2013 11:04AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Sounds like the drivers are worth what they're paid then, right?

blasphemy surely ?

I am sure there is no correlation between pay and safety if they were paid the minimum wage they would still drive just as safely and you would still attract people with the same driving skills. ( where is the sarcasm smiley ?)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-08-2013 11:05AM

Uriel. wrote: »

what do you propose?

Gradually replace those who chose not to work, with those who do.

Gatling · 06-08-2013 11:08AM

cdebru wrote: »

blasphemy surely ?

I am sure there is no correlation between pay and safety if they were paid the minimum wage they would still drive just as safely and you would still attract people with the same driving skills. ( where is the sarcasm smiley ?)

What's so special about a bus driver

What special skills are required

cdebru · 06-08-2013 11:10AM

Gatling wrote: »

What's so special about a bus driver

What special skills are required

I don't know but try paying minimum wage and see if DB is still the safest bus company to be a passenger on?

cdebru · 06-08-2013 11:11AM

Arthur Calm Brush wrote: »

Gradually replace those who chose not to work, with those who do.

I was right do I win a prize ?

Gatling · 06-08-2013 11:14AM

cdebru wrote: »

I don't know but try paying minimum wage and see if DB is still the safest bus company to be a passenger on?

You've been saying about special skills / qualifications needed to drive for Dublin bus

Other than a driving licence ,a bus drivers licence / a written test

Anybody can be a bus driver

Regardless of 26k pa or 46k pa pay

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-08-2013 11:24AM

cdebru wrote: »

I was right do I win a prize ?

Wouldn't know much about the man, please do go on.

doug_the_head · 06-08-2013 11:27AM

its important the unions don't win this one , their is talk of the ESB downing tools in the autumn if any of their package is touched and those overpaid cosseted folk really need an introduction to the rescession

the government have been incredibly weak with unions since being elected , granted labour are in government but varadakar claims to be a free marketer and Dublin bus is his brief

cdebru · 06-08-2013 11:28AM

Gatling wrote: »

You've been saying about special skills / qualifications needed to drive for Dublin bus

Other than a driving licence ,a bus drivers licence / a written test

Anybody can be a bus driver

Regardless of 26k pa or 46k pa pay

anyone can sit behind the wheel of a bus and move it the skill is in getting the passengers from A to B in one piece. Not everyone can do that, if you don't pay properly you want get the people with those skills whethera you recognise it as a skill or not.

and it is not 26k or 46k it is about 38,500 and there are very significant costs in not having people who can do the job properly, even as the safest bus company DB still pays out about 8 million a year in claims imagine what that figure would be if you were paying minimum wage.

Gatling · 06-08-2013 11:32AM

cdebru wrote: »

anyone can sit behind the wheel of a bus and move it the skill is in getting the passengers from A to B in one piece. Not everyone can do that, if you don't pay properly you want get the people with those skills whethera you recognise it as a skill or not.

and it is not 26k or 46k it is about 38,500 and there are very significant costs in not having people who can do the job properly, even as the safest bus company DB still pays out about 8 million a year in claims imagine what that figure would be if you were paying minimum wage.

8 million a year that's crazy maybe they should start looking at these skills again
40k pa and yet its costing db an extra 8 million on accident claims ,

doug_the_head · 06-08-2013 11:32AM

cdebru wrote: »

anyone can sit behind the wheel of a bus and move it the skill is in getting the passengers from A to B in one piece. Not everyone can do that, if you don't pay properly you want get the people with those skills whethera you recognise it as a skill or not.

and it is not 26k or 46k it is about 38,500 and there are very significant costs in not having people who can do the job properly, even as the safest bus company DB still pays out about 8 million a year in claims imagine what that figure would be if you were paying minimum wage.

I know full well that driving is a skill but this isn't about that , its about the culture of protectionism and vested interests in the irish economy , beit transport , energy etc

JohnnyChimpo · 06-08-2013 11:34AM

cdebru wrote: »

and it is not 26k or 46k it is about 38,500 and there are very significant costs in not having people who can do the job properly

I spent a decade in college getting a BSc, then MSc, then PhD, and am now working in research directly applying everything I learned in that 10-year training period. I make 38.5k and am lucky enough to be getting it in the current climate, so quite frankly a bus driver can suck my balls if they think they're entitled to the same, for a job with zero qualifications and a fairly low skill requirement.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 06-08-2013 11:36AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

NOT if they are managed by the agency.

Yes if they are managed by an agency, they are entitled to the same pay and conditions as those retained by the employer who instructed the agency to recruit them (The user undertaking).

Article 5 of the Directive provides that "the basic working pay and conditions of temporary agency workers shall be, for the duration of their assignment at a user undertaking, at least those that would apply if they had been recruited directly by that undertaking to occupy the same job." The Directive defines "basic working and employment conditions" as relating to "the duration of working time, overtime, breaks, rest periods, night work, holidays and public holidays" and "pay".

bumper234 · 06-08-2013 11:37AM

cdebru wrote: »

anyone can sit behind the wheel of a bus and move it the skill is in getting the passengers from A to B in one piece. Not everyone can do that, if you don't pay properly you want get the people with those skills whethera you recognise it as a skill or not.

and it is not 26k or 46k it is about 38,500 and there are very significant costs in not having people who can do the job properly, even as the safest bus company DB still pays out about 8 million a year in claims imagine what that figure would be if you were paying minimum wage.

So are you claiming that minimum wage drivers would risk their own lives and the lives of others because they are low paid? Also Dublin bus do not pay out 8 million in claims. Dublin bus pay out that money for insurance, how much of the 8 million is paid out by the insurers is the next question.

cdebru · 06-08-2013 11:39AM

Gatling wrote: »

8 million a year that's crazy maybe they should start looking at these skills again
40k pa and yet its costing db an extra 8 million on accident claims ,

LOL ah you are overstretching yourself now troll on.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-08-2013 11:42AM

cdebru wrote: »

I don't know but try paying minimum wage and see if DB is still the safest bus company to be a passenger on?

cdebru wrote: »

anyone can sit behind the wheel of a bus and move it the skill is in getting the passengers from A to B in one piece. Not everyone can do that, if you don't pay properly you want get the people with those skills whethera you recognise it as a skill or not.

and it is not 26k or 46k it is about 38,500 and there are very significant costs in not having people who can do the job properly, even as the safest bus company DB still pays out about 8 million a year in claims imagine what that figure would be if you were paying minimum wage.

Who said anything about cutting pay to minimum wage? Your argument is ridiculous.

Pay cuts does not equate to offering minimum wage. Nice try though.

38500, that's an awful lot of money for driving a bus. If they don't want to work, replace them. It's not exactly a highly skilled job.

cdebru · 06-08-2013 11:43AM

bumper234 wrote: »

So are you claiming that minimum wage drivers would risk their own lives and the lives of others because they are low paid? Also Dublin bus do not pay out 8 million in claims. Dublin bus pay out that money for insurance, how much of the 8 million is paid out by the insurers is the next question.

incorrect Dublin bus pay insurance to cover if a single claim is in excess of 2 million, no claims were. Claims below that are paid by Dublin bus themselves.

I am saying if it is a minimum wage job then you will not attract the same calibre of drivers and your accident rate will rapidly increase,unless you think it is an coincidence that we have well paid drivers who happen to be among the safest in the world.

Gatling · 06-08-2013 11:43AM

cdebru wrote: »

LOL ah you are overstretching yourself now troll on.

You said that paying minimum wage would endanger passenger safety yes

Now paying 40k + drivers are costing 8 million euro in claims yes

So your saying pay drivers more to be safe

Rightwing · 06-08-2013 11:44AM

The dublin bus drivers wouldn't even support bus eireann drivers a while back,,,,and now they expect the public to support them ? :rolleyes:

Do you support the Dublin Bus workers?

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