Football Championship Thread 2013

STB · 29-07-2013 01:24AM

K-9 wrote: »

Maths and basic logic isn't your strong point.

8/9 or whatever it is Dublin Leinster titles hasn't done the much good, 1 All Ireland to show for it. Donegal have the exact same and a Ulster medal is slightly harder earned.

3 different Ulster teams won AI medals over the last 11 years, Down got to a final, Derry and Fermanagh Semi Finals, Monaghan won a Ulster championship and gave Kerry a good go a few years ago, even Antrim did in a qualifier.

A Leinster procession medal just can't compare, especially when it converts to 1 AI medal.

Provincial Titles Won

1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013

All Irelands Won
1891, 1892, 1894, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1942, 1958, 1963, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1983, 1995, 2011

All Irelands Lost
1896, 1904, 1920, 1924, 1934, 1955, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1984, 1985, 1992, 1994

Given Maths isnt my strong point you count them

Amprodude · 29-07-2013 01:30AM

Stoner wrote: »

I'm not commenting on anyone's position, but I do see your point .. Camps in 2010 with arguably the best squad in the country, favourites in 2012, Cork should still be top three but they are not.
But anything can happen next week

Its frustrating as a cork supporter to see how bad a manager CC actually is. I would say Cork have a decent footballing panel but CC is not up to the job. In contrast to our hurlers our panel is only average but JBM will get the best and have them playing above themselves most of the time.

oneillMan999 · 29-07-2013 02:54AM

cork v Dublin .. will be a lot closer than peoples think but the dubs to sneak it by 2 points.

mayo v donegal .. mayo have everything to play for including revenge and donegal are a shadow of themselves this year. mayo by 6 points.

cavan v Kerry .. another one that might be closer than predicted. if cavan get off to a flyer and have enough belief they might just cause the upset of the weekend. draw.

Monaghan v tyrone .. can't see anything other than a win for the farney men, their confidence is sky high and have a bone or 2 to pick with tyrone who look average this year. Monaghan by 5 points.

Syferus · 29-07-2013 03:02AM

oneillMan999 wrote: »

cork v Dublin .. will be a lot closer than peoples think but the dubs to sneak it by 2 points.

mayo v donegal .. mayo have everything to play for including revenge and donegal are a shadow of themselves this year. mayo by 6 points.

cavan v Kerry .. another one that might be closer than predicted. if cavan get off to a flyer and have enough belief they might just cause the upset of the weekend. draw.

Monaghan v tyrone .. can't see anything other than a win for the farney men, their confidence is sky high and have a bone or 2 to pick with tyrone who look average this year. Monaghan by 5 points.

If Tyrone have looked average this year then Monaghan have looked far below average in all but one game this year. They have to go out and prove themselves a second time before anyone believes they're for real.

Winning the FA Cup final didn't make Wigan the best club in England. I don't think winning the Ulster championship has made Monaghan the best team in Ulster.

overshoot · 29-07-2013 03:26AM

STB wrote: »

Well its 6 more than I have personally myself buddy. Ever play yourself ?

You somehow think that it would be easier to get on the Dublin panel than any other County's panel. The population says otherwise.

Put it this way, NO Donegal player has ever matched that number of provincial titles. And I would say you would have to go back some time (should one exist) within Ulster to find a player that has as many provincial medals.

You can only beat the teams put in front of you.

you use that to build up Dublin but armagh won 7 ulsters from 99 to 08.... Who is regarded as the great Ulster team of that period? not armagh, greatness is measured on 1 stage. Dublin flopped on it until 2011
Also if ur trying to play the population card, play the other sports card with it... You can't say its so hard to get on their panel and then slag a county with 1/8th its population for not having the same record

oneillMan999 · 29-07-2013 04:47AM

Syferus wrote: »

Winning the FA Cup final didn't make Wigan the best club in England. I don't think winning the Ulster championship has made Monaghan the best team in Ulster.

What's the Ulster champship got to do with the FA cup? I don't get the analogy.
anyway, tyrone won't have the freedom they enjoyed against meath so hard to see them scoring more than 10 points unless they fluke a goal or 2.

Lemlin · 29-07-2013 05:46AM

STB wrote: »

Well its 6 more than I have personally myself buddy. Ever play yourself ?

You somehow think that it would be easier to get on the Dublin panel than any other County's panel. The population says otherwise.

Put it this way, NO Donegal player has ever matched that number of provincial titles. And I would say you would have to go back some time (should one exist) within Ulster to find a player that has as many provincial medals.

You can only beat the teams put in front of you.

I did and even if I was good enough to make the county team in Cavan I'd have nothing to show for it. You're argument is extremely childish though.

If none of us could comment on county players where would this forum be? And am I trying to say I'm as good as Ciaran Whelan?

Ulster is a totally different kettle of fish to Leinster. It was always competitive. Tyrone in 2005 couldn't even win Ulster but won the All Ireland. Armagh in 2003 went out in the first round in Ulster yet still made the All Ireland final.

Again, your comparison of an Ulster player from the time and a Leinster play is as weak as your argument that I can't comment on Ciaran Whelan because I've no Leinster medals.

Anyway, why compare Whelan to a Donegal player? Why not compare him to his midfield counterparts like Daragh O'Se or Sean Cavanagh? How many All Irelands does Whelan have compared to them?

You can only beat the teams put in front of you is correct and Whelan's Dublin failed to ever beat any top team from another province. They were grand for beating a lesser Ulster or Connacht team like Derry or Roscommon in the quarters but when it came to the business end of things they and Whelan were found badly wanting:

shrewdness · 29-07-2013 07:56AM

Syferus wrote: »

If Tyrone have looked average this year then Monaghan have looked far below average in all but one game this year. They have to go out and prove themselves a second time before anyone believes they're for real.

That's true but if you take each county's best performance this year then I think Monaghan's best was better than Tyrone's best, and the key thing is that Monaghan's best came in their last game, when they needed to produce. They didn't have to hit top form to beat Antrim or Cavan, even though they nearly got caught by the latter.

It seems to me that many picking Tyrone here are doing so on the assumption that Monaghan won't match their last performance, and because of Tyrone's experience. Both fair enough I'd say, but looking at both teams so far I see no reason why Monaghan shouldn't be confident of their chances. O'Rourke is a fine manager and he'll have the players well prepared for this, and as someone else said, no better team than Tyrone to get Monaghan motivated. Should be a good tight battle anyway.

Stoner · 29-07-2013 09:07AM

Lemlin wrote: »

I did and even if I was good enough to make the county team in Cavan I'd have nothing to show for it. You're argument is extremely childish though.

If none of us could comment on county players where would this forum be? And am I trying to say I'm as good as Ciaran Whelan?

Ulster is a totally different kettle of fish to Leinster. It was always competitive. Tyrone in 2005 couldn't even win Ulster but won the All Ireland. Armagh in 2003 went out in the first round in Ulster yet still made the All Ireland final.

Again, your comparison of an Ulster player from the time and a Leinster play is as weak as your argument that I can't comment on Ciaran Whelan because I've no Leinster medals.

Anyway, why compare Whelan to a Donegal player? Why not compare him to his midfield counterparts like Daragh O'Se or Sean Cavanagh? How many All Irelands does Whelan have compared to them?

You can only beat the teams put in front of you is correct and Whelan's Dublin failed to ever beat any top team from another province. They were grand for beating a lesser Ulster or Connacht team like Derry or Roscommon in the quarters but when it came to the business end of things they and Whelan were found badly wanting:

There is commenting about county players that's fine. Whelan was a great player on an average team with poor management. Calling him a coward and claiming comments made about him to his credit where arrogant boasts he made about himself is something else. Where would this forum be if we all did that?

BNMC · 29-07-2013 09:28AM

Ciaran Whelan was not a great player. He was an average midfielder at best.

sid waddell · 29-07-2013 09:30AM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Looking at this imo it only looks like Mc Hugh has eyes for the ball and yer man has eyes for Mc Hugh but maybe thats my inner Donegal speaking.

That isn't even a foul.

SM746 · 29-07-2013 09:39AM

Nialler15 wrote: »

The guidelines are 3 weeks. So this duty of care he was blowing on about must come into question???

Great point Nialler which got me thinking so I went rooting for info. The concussions were Dec Walsh vs Tyrone and McGlynn and Bradley vs Down. There was 4 weeks between both games so McGuinness' duty of care does not come into question at all in my opinion. That's assuming your 3 week guideline is correct as iv always been informed its 2 for the most serious.

Lemlin · 29-07-2013 09:43AM

Stoner wrote: »

There is commenting about county players that's fine. Whelan was a great player on an average team with poor management. Calling him a coward and claiming comments made about him to his credit where arrogant boasts he made about himself is something else. Where would this forum be if we all did that?

Where did I call him a coward or accuse him of arrogant boasts?

I commented on his actions on the pitch. Nothing else. And I did not call him names.

Poor_old_gill · 29-07-2013 09:45AM

A bit of gouging is fine though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lbJctgvtXg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Poor_old_gill · 29-07-2013 09:51AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25U2CSmozMo

Ten minutes in

DDC1990 · 29-07-2013 10:03AM

McGuinness talking about Key players being targeted and 3rd man tackles?

Didn't hear a word from him last year with the treatment Gooch and Donaghy got from McGee.

He is the master of psychology I suppose.

Hope the officials don't fall for it.

McHugh's injury sounds shocking, and its a terrible thing to happen to any player, but it was an accident. Two players, early in the game went and threw everything they had into the challenge to win the ball.

You don't hear the Monaghan team complaining about his eye/head injury insinuating that McHugh went out to injure him.

He's right on one score. The 3rd man tackles need to be eradicated...hence the introduction of the black card, the thing Donegal actually voted against at congress.

Nialler15 · 29-07-2013 10:06AM

SM746 wrote: »

Great point Nialler which got me thinking so I went rooting for info. The concussions were Dec Walsh vs Tyrone and McGlynn and Bradley vs Down. There was 4 weeks between both games so McGuinness' duty of care does not come into question at all in my opinion. That's assuming your 3 week guideline is correct as iv always been informed its 2 for the most serious.

The guidelines are 3 weeks and having suffered a serious concussion and burst ear drum myself, Mc Hugh will be lucky to play again this season. I got it playing rugby and still suffered dizziness in 4 months later. I hope he isnt left with Tinitis as a result of the ear injury. Its not nice.

Thats fair enough regarding the time frame from the other matches. I was only asking the question

namloc1980 · 29-07-2013 10:12AM

Seems McGuinness & Donegal like to dish it out but can't take it. Really hope Mayo hammer them bunch of moaners.

SM746 · 29-07-2013 10:18AM

Nialler15 wrote: »

The guidelines are 3 weeks and having suffered a serious concussion and burst ear drum myself, Mc Hugh will be lucky to play again this season. I got it playing rugby and still suffered dizziness in 4 months later. I hope he isnt left with Tinitis as a result of the ear injury. Its not nice.

Thats fair enough regarding the time frame from the other matches. I was only asking the question

Ah yeah not questioning you just responding to an excellent point regarding the duty of care. Hope the injury got sorted for you in the end

Syferus · 29-07-2013 10:20AM

DDC1990 wrote: »

McGuinness talking about Key players being targeted and 3rd man tackles?

Didn't hear a word from him last year with the treatment Gooch and Donaghy got from McGee.

He is the master of psychology I suppose.

Hope the officials don't fall for it.

McHugh's injury sounds shocking, and its a terrible thing to happen to any player, but it was an accident. Two players, early in the game went and threw everything they had into the challenge to win the ball.

You don't hear the Monaghan team complaining about his eye/head injury insinuating that McHugh went out to injure him.

He's right on one score. The 3rd man tackles need to be eradicated...hence the introduction of the black card, the thing Donegal actually voted against at congress.

I was right in front of the 'third man tackle' on Murphy that Jim was referring to. Murphy grabbed his man's arm and flew down like a North Korean missle, looing like a cow in the process.

Whether Jim knew that when he went to the linesman is questionable as from the other side it wouldn't have been such an obviously cynical play by the forward but, still, that wasn't Murphy being targeted, that was Murphy targeting the defender.

Moneymaker · 29-07-2013 10:44AM

BNMC wrote: »

Ciaran Whelan was not a great player. He was an average midfielder at best.

Of all the drivel i've seen in this thread lately this tops the list. Absurd.

One of the best high fielders i've seen and his ability to kick long range points is something you don't see much anymore. Granted he had a tendency for a dirty blow here and there.

Also, his goal vs Armagh in 2002. Go youtube it.

bazermc · 29-07-2013 10:53AM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/ has the football Quarter finals as follows:

Sat, 3rd Aug

Monaghan v Tyrone 5pm

Dublin v Cork 7pm

Sun, 4th Aug

Kerry v Cavan 2pm

Mayo v Donegal 4pm

I presume this is confirmed?

Syferus · 29-07-2013 11:00AM

Confirmed since about 10PM Saturday night.

bazermc · 29-07-2013 11:01AM

Syferus wrote: »

Confirmed since about 10PM Saturday night.

Cheers, I will crawl out from under my rock now

BNMC · 29-07-2013 11:03AM

Would it not make more sense to crawl back under your rock? :pac:

bazermc · 29-07-2013 11:03AM

BNMC wrote: »

Would it not make more sense to crawl back under your rock? :pac:

God no, I might miss Dublin doing the double than!

Here Precious2 · 29-07-2013 11:14AM

bazermc wrote: »

God no, I might miss Dublin doing the double than!

Cork you mean

GBXI · 29-07-2013 11:15AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Ok, I dont the specific incident you are referring to.

However, how many times have you seen players come on and start something straight away? Especially in midfield if things had not been going your way. That does not make you a dirty player. I saw Dermot Earley come on for Kildare a few years ago and give an opponent a serious shoulder running on with the ball nowhere in the vicinity. Does that make him a dirty player too? Every decent GAA player will throw his weight around, doesnt make them dirty players. Alan Dillion did it to Johnny Duane in the Galway - Mayo game this year. Doesnt make Dilion a dirty player. There are a million other examples. Often a player will be brought on and instructed by their manager to get physical if a team are losing the midfield battle.

I dont understand how anybody cannot appreciate the skills Whelan had.

I have to make the point that Whelan was a right thug on the pitch at times, and in my opinion, hugely over-rated as a footballer. What he did to McGarrity in the 06 semi-final was scandalous. And he often did this in matches, sly and dirty little digs.

I have nothing against him as a person, never met him and seems like a very decent pundit on RTE. However, he was a level below the best mid-fielders in Ireland during his career, lacked real leadership qualities (which the best players always have) and as I said, had that real thuggish element to his game.

Stoner · 29-07-2013 11:15AM

Lemlin wrote: »

Where did I call him a coward or accuse him of arrogant boasts?

I commented on his actions on the pitch. Nothing else. And I did not call him names.

I never said you did, read the post. It has been said here, so people defend him.
the counter argument is to then place him up against DOS, its fair to say that you don't have to be as good as DOS to be a good, or you dont have to be as good as DOS to not be a coward. that was my point.

keane2097 · 29-07-2013 11:19AM

Yeah I wouldn't have Whelan on a level with the top midfielders of the era at all to be honest.

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