UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman

Silva apparently stated in a Brazilian magazine interview that the rematch would happen on December 28th.

Haven't seen it confirmed anywhere yet, could just be lost in translation.

Dana confirms rematch for Dec 28

wonder what the odds will be??

that would make silva 7/10 so weidman should be 11/10 or 6/5

it's one i'd be staying well clear of anyway even if silvas price looks tempting

he doesn't just go around pulling out of fights. The humiliation of the KO alone will set a fire under him I reckon

virtually nobody will agree with this but it's not just to be controversial either.

After watching the fight a few times I reckon Silva should, and will, take almost the same approach (maybe minus a little disrespect which was present in his behavior at the end of the first round i.e. the kissing etc..) in the rematch.

It's a fight and anything within the rules goes for me - anything at all including clowning around like a fool which he sort of did... sort of.

He's the best striker in martial arts history bar none without a shadow of a doubt so he can employ just about any strategy he wants and usually it works as we know... it didn't this time but when you look at how he wins fight it's usually when he's dancing on the very edge, in the pocket, making a joke out of peoples reactions and silly attempts to hit him. Weidman is completely ****e on his feet compared to Silva of course there's no argument there so why did he lose? He lost because he got caught... BUT.... he drew Weidman in perfectly IMO (who was doing his utmost to remain calm in the face of ridicule but gave-in in the end!) and just needed to catch him with a totally relaxed but brilliant counter which he so often does so effortlessly... not this time though but so what!

That type of mind frame - that type of freedom within the cage in a pro mma fight is completely unheard of but he is capable of pulling it off as he has done before and when it works we don't complain and we put it down to genius. Now he DID push the whole mockery thing up a notch in this particular fight but he could so easily have won it if he moved a half inch here or there in those final moments on the feet. It was perfectly set up for Silva to do what he does - Weidman had finally committed to swinging for his chin which is exactly what Silva needed and banked upon!
See he knew with the hype and age and fight smarts and confidence that Weidman was coming into this fight with, that he needed another little edge... something left field and he found it on the night by being completely ridiculous - an idiot - and in my opinion it was the perfect thing to do - it was asymmetric and not what Weidman expected at all or anyone else for that matter - it was in essence taking the p1ss and nearly paid off perfectly... except that it didn't : )... but he lives in the land of nearly...as in you NEARLY hit him but he knocks you out!

What I'm saying is Silva has ALWAYS done exactly what he wants to do, no matter what logic or experts dictate or prescribe and he has always said the same things in the build up - that he enjoys to fight and will just do what he does best and trust his own abilities yada yada and of course what he's really saying IMO is that his talent is to have NO game plan and to just do what he 'feels' like doing and that he trusts himself to work it out while he's there, in the moment, living on the edge - and that includes the play-acting and the messing and the clowning and the expressions - all of it - it's like a whole Musashi samurai approach (not waxing here look it up if you don't know) - not just physical fighting but... as many writers have said before - he beats guys before the fight starts or beats them mentally in the cage before they even really swing for him because he makes them believe/fold in their hearts that they can't hit him and so they beat themselves, on the feet, where every fight starts (with the single exception of Chael Silva 1) and I genuinely believe that he went in to the Weidman fight with no game plan at all ! not a single pre planned element. He keeps his mind completely free and simply does what he was put on this earth to do - to fight - in the purest total most complete sense of the word - not just getting good at kicking and punching and evading, but REAL LIFE Bruce Lee theory put into action - completely free and open to anything, any move, any strike any psychological game, totally unpredictable and way ahead of his opponent - and he usually is.

Silva was just Silva and he got caught - and that is literally all there is to it... Weidman shouldn't take a goddamned thing from that fight. He knows Silva played his game and just got caught but odds are he doesn't next time and Weidman knows that. While we're at it Weidman was static and readable on the feet in almost every way, his ground and pound was made look poor by Silva's ability to move with strikes from any angle and his sub attempt was weak and easily dealt with - in fact he looked nervous even going for it and Silva just naturally moved with it and pulled out and stood up with space so I don't fear a total mismatch between them on the deck NOR will Silva for their next fight. I also think Silva was able to use his power against Weidman when they clinched and that Weidman was stupidly saving energy which could have ended with him KO'd at a few points in the fight all of which Silva will see on the tape. Silva will be embarrassed with his performance and will simply clown him next time the way he very nearly IMO clowned him this time.

He seriously needs to consult Usher before doing anything rash.

Be like Nutella secretly likes virtually nobody agreeing with him!. makes him feel like a one in a million kinda guy:pac:.

Fall_Guy wrote: »

BUT you still pick Silva to win the return, so you must somewhat understand people's feelings that while Weidman won the fight, Silva is still the better fighter (in their eyes)....I feel the Edgar comparison is a little off, as Edgar's gameplan in the Penn fights led to a bit of resentment from some (mainly longtime BJ fans) but he did (in the second fight at least) clearly show that BJ did not have an answer for him at that time in his career. To many (including you, it would seem), there is still a belief that Anderson is a better fighter than Weidman. I don't think saying that discredits Weidman's completely deserved victory on the night though.

Of course, that could even prove to be wrong, for all I know Weidman will ground Silva and outgrapple him comprehensively in the next fight!

I believe Anderson is the better fighter. But just because that may be the case, that doesn't make Weidman's victory any less of a victory.

Matt Serra beat GSP. GSP is, and was at the time, clearly the better fighter. Does that mean Serra shouldn't have won the fight? Of course not. He won fair and square, within the rules, by a TKO. He beat GSP until he was unable to defend himself and won the fight. GSP showed his class second time around but that doesn't diminish the fact that Serra beat GSP.

It's why bookies have odds. Even when Silva fought Bonnar, Bonnar was a 7/1 underdog. That's the bookies acknowledging that should they fight 8 times, they'd expect Bonnar to win one of the fights. Nobody is unbeatable.

You'd swear Silva was actually winning that fight before getting knocked out the way some people are talking.

So, a win that doesn't go along with your game plan doesn't count?

Also, what's all this lucky business? How is it lucky exactly. He threw a punch intended to land on the chin and do as much damage as possible and that's exactly what happened.

I give Weidman credit for winning I do, you have to, a win is a win is a win - it's just that he knows himself that in essence he was in fact lucky to get that win.. that he caught Silva while in matrix-mode when most times he would be clowned by Silva - he doesn't take from that fight that he can stand with Silva at all - he's not stupid - therefore he figures he stood up to Silva and threw some punches as well as he could and got lucky - relatively speaking - compared to others who have tried the same thing and ended up looking like a fool. That's kind of all I mean. Weidman can't stand with Silva... he did... but in general he can't... therefore he goes in there to set up take downs and control him on the ground hopefully to do damage and get a sub or TKO - that was his entire strategy BEFORE he got hit with the Silva-effect - and basically bottled it and hesitated and became slow and tight and readable which he did in this fight and I'm sure he'd admit as much watching the tape. His first take down was so clumsy and hesitant he nearly ended up under Silva but in the chaos of the scramble he got top position. He didn't show an ability to break Silva's guard completely and get top mount, he couldn't neutralize Silva's bottom game the way GSP does so well... Silva was striking and evading most of his power shots and then he went for a leg - which is what a high level grappler does to a low level grappler - Silva dealt with it easily, rolled and pulled out and stood back up with no pressure on his space.... again because Weidman was not firing on all cylinders - he was hesitant and focused on trying to 'seem' like he was remaining cool and conservative with all Silva's clowning around - all the while staying on his feet to the confusion of the commentary... which was pure stupid. This fight demanded that he fire off couple straight punches and go straight for a powerful take down as soon as physically possible. He didn't do that. In the end he won but his game was off, he was hesitant and in the end he took Silva's bait and swung for the fences which could so easily have ended up with him KO'd so in actuality Weidman WAS lucky to get the win... no way he went in there to stand with Silva.