UFC 162: Silva vs Weidman

Mr. Manager

Main Card - ESPN @03:00

Middleweight: Anderson Silva vs. Chris Weidman
Featherweight: Frankie Edgar vs. Charles Oliveira
Middleweight: Tim Kennedy vs. Roger Gracie
Middleweight: Mark Muñoz vs. Tim Boetsch
Featherweight: Cub Swanson vs. Dennis Siver

Preliminary card - UFC.TV @01:00

Middleweight: Chris Leben vs. Andrew Craig
Lightweight: Norman Parke vs. Kazuki Tokudome
Heavyweight: Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Dave Herman
Lightweight: Edson Barboza vs. Rafaello Oliveira

Preliminary card - Facebook @Midnight

Welterweight: Seth Baczynski vs. Brian Melancon
Welterweight: Mike Pierce vs. David Mitchell

To watch the Facebook prelims just go to the Facebook page of the UFC and like it. Then you can watch for free.

There will be an alternative link on YouTube.

To watch the UFC.tv prelims go to UFC.tv (simples)

To watch the main card you need ESPN - (streams will be available somewhere. Don't post them).


This is pretty good card and there's a few "must win" fights going on here. The first and most obvious is Silva. It's a bit of a must win for him and Dana. More so for Dana IMO. If he wins this he gets a chance at a superfight with Jon Jones and is that bit closer to retiring undefeated in the UFC.

The second is Frankie Edgar. Not that he's going to get cut any time soon but he's on a 3 fight skid at the moment (all to current champs). If he loses where does he go from there? Move in weight class, again?

A win for Cub Swanson here puts him in a good spot for a title shot - personally, I think the winner of this fight should get one (not sure if that's been said already by Dana/Silva). The time between 162 and 163 is close so if either fighter is off for a while they should bounce back within relatively similar times - obviously excluding a tremendous beating suffered.

Chris Leben is my final one. He's been battling drugs (not to sound extreme) for a while now and he's finally come through and reckons he's on the mend. He claims to be reborn again and has found a new love of the sport. With a surging record reminiscent of Leonard Garcia it's hard to look passed him getting cutting with another loss. Despite being a huge fan favourite, I think it's inevitable.

Mr. CooL ICE

I don't know why Herman is still in the UFC. Completely overrated. I hope Gonzaga submits him quickly.

Hope Parke does well. Tokudome seemed tough but boring to watch, but I don't think he will cause Parke too much trouble.

MrStuffins

This is a really good card.

Silva to "shock the world" apparently and win in devastating fashion!

Gilbert Grape

Can't wait for this,Silva is going to beat Weidman badly and Parke hopefully does enough to win.

The Freeman

alot of ridiculous talk of weidman being his best opponent ever and having the tools to convincingly beat the spider....ridiculous!

silva by tko within the first 3 rounds.

first tasty card in a couple of months for me.

El Guapo!

Really good card on paper. I'm looking forward to it.
There is a huge amount of talk around Weidman. But it's important not to get carried away with it.
In almost every title fight, in every division, the next contender is always touted as the one with the tools to take the belt. But a lot of the time it's merely talk to build up the fight.
Don't get me wrong; Weidman is a great fighter, and of course he has a chance. There's always a chance. But if I was to bet my house on it though, I'd be betting on Silva.

I agree with the general consensus on Edgar. He's my favourite fighter and I always back him in his fights, but if he loses this it's hard to see exactly where he goes from here. Does he continue on and probably not get another title? Or does he switch weight classes again? It's a difficult one for him but I hope he comes away with the win.

And as for Leben......he's been a journeyman for a long time now. He's not a credible contender and never will be again. Before every fight, he says he's been through a lot and he's on the mend now but it's always the same Leben that shows up. He has an awesome chin and a big heart but he's slowly turning into a punching bag. If he loses this, I think he should be cut and its probably time to hang up the gloves aswell.

valor

What time is the silva fight likely to be at, Irish time? 5am?

Gilbert Grape

valor wrote: »

What time is the silva fight likely to be at, Irish time? 5am?

Will be around that time.

Mellor

Chis Weidman is easily the best wrestler in the middleweight division. He’s NCAA All-American collegiate wrestler, who has honed his ground game for MMA with the introduction of a solid BJJ submission game. With only one year of formal BJJ training he qualified for ASCC finals. To say he is a bigger, better more dangerous version of Chael Sonnen is an understatement.
Anderson Silva is, well, Anderson Silva. Sure it’s been show (against Chael Sonnen x 2 and Dan Henderson) that a strong wrestler can neutralise his dynamic attacks for the round – note: Silva still got the KO or sub finish in each of them fights. And Weidman is definitely capable of out wrestling him. But there are two glaring problems with this theory. Firstly, MMA championships are contested over five 5-minuite rounds. And secondly, standing opposite Anderson Silva is the most dangerous place in the world. Even if Weidman can take Silva down, and keep him there, he’ll evitable have to let him up and start again. And at any given time on their feet, Silva is only seconds away from a KO victory. He only needs to knockout Weidman once. Weidman needs to do a lot more. I actually expect Weidman to get a takedown in the first, but watch out for that “fool me once...” look (from the 2008 fight with Henderson) on Silva’s face when the round ends.
I do think Weidman is the best challenger we’ve had in years. And he deserves some of the momentum behind him. But I think the hype has upped his stock a little too much. His fights with Vitor Belfort and Dan Henderson were the only times only his odds have been higher than this. And look how they turned out. I’ll be laying a sizable bet on Anderson, either to win outright or by TKO.


Also, anybody else really dislike Tim Kennedy?

"I say things people don't agree with and it makes people really mad. They lash out and attack and say horrible things, or do horrible things. That's the wrong idea," Kennedy said. "I want people to say things that I totally disagree with, that makes my blood boil, that is so awful, but I want them to have that right. Just like I should be able to say anything I want. That's the reason that I went to war to fight for these rights."

I normally turn a blind eye to the war hero stuff, it never bothered me with Brian Stann. But the above comment bugged me.
Nobody was trying to take away your free speech Tim. The war did affect those rights.
He is clearly jsut using the free speech/military card to get out of the fact that he made an ass of himself in the media. I hope Roger breaks his arm.

billy2012

All this talk of Weidman is the man with the skills to beat Silva BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Have heard it all before, Anderson always proves the doubters wrong!!!

Anderson the greatest of all time!!!

Gilbert Grape

billy2012 wrote: »

All this talk of Weidman is the man with the skills to beat Silva BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Have heard it all before, Anderson always proves the doubters wrong!!!

Anderson the greatest of all time!!!

After Fedor of course

Jizzear

Look at andersons record, the only powerful wrestlers hes faced hes looked vunerable against (Chael being the only 1 i truly count in that category ) Hendo is more greco-roman and doesnt shoot that often, people said okami was but that was more chael hyping up his friends fight and people forgeting okami is more of a judoka.

Weidman can certainly be placed in that category and prob has better striking, definately better bjj game than chael. Granted he doesnt shoot power doubles the same way but i think its safe to say if weidman can get in on andersons legs consistently, then silva is ****ed.

Anderson can obviously ko him at any time in basically any position but people thinking weidman doesnt have a decent chance to win are insane imo. Plus he no-doubt has access to whatever horseshoe matt serra shoved up his arse before ufc 69

p to the e

Interesting to see Mike Pierce, who I personally think is just outside the top 10 in WW, getting such a nobody opponent.

If Herman loses he's getting his P45. Leaving out the last fight Herman has decent submission defence with good stand up. This could go similar to Gonzaga's fight with Travis Browne (Gonzaga KO'd).

Cub Swanson vs. Denis Siver is such an important fight in the FW division. Siver is looking like a beast at this weight class but he faces an extremely tough battle in Cub Swanson whose last three losses came at the hands of Ricardo Lamas, Chad Mendes and Jose Aldo so no shame in that. i predict Swanson to control the battle on the ground. He may want to try and stand and trade with Siver but a few kicks from the German will change his mind.

Mark Munoz is a very clever fighter and one of the finest wrestlers in the game. I can't wait to see him control Boetsch by pushing an unbelievable pace and get back on track in his eventful MMA career.

Tim Kennedy has been calling out Roger Gracie for a while. He may think of it as a big name on his CV to have but everyone knows that if he is to win this fight he will have to keep it on the feet. He is by no means a slouch on the ground himself having not been submitted by top grapplers Jacare Souza and Luke Rockhold but Roger Gracie is just on another planet when it comes to BJJ. Saying that I have seen plenty of evidence of Gracie working on his boxing/clinch so maybe there may even a surprise KO by Gracie. Well maybe not.

It's crazy to think that if Frankie Edgar loses he'll have one just once in his last six fights. I had him beating Henderson in both of the fights but we won't go into that. Frankie is expected to win and should do so with his superior wrestling and lightening fast pace.

Finally we get to the big event. With The Spider against Weidman I give it to the former. Sure we have heard so much about Weidman's wrestling and Jiu Jitsu but this fight starts on the feet. One mistake by Weidman there and Silva will capitalise on it. Yes I think Weidman will take him down and he will try for subs but Silva is not new to the ground game. Also people keep comparing Weidman to Sonnen only better. Well I think one of the things that Sonnen does so well is to attack whilst inside someone's guard. Posture up and rain down elbows. I don't think this is something that Weidman does as well as Sonnen so he may be relying the submissions a lot more than the ground and pound which Silva will defend and get the fight back to the feet where he is king.

MrStuffins

Apologies for this because it might sound weird, but I once saw a movie poster for the (dreadful) Guy Ritchie movie "Revolver" which said "Guy Ritchie back to his best - The Sun".

It turned out that the quote was taken from a negative review which said "Before seeing this movie, I was hoping to see Guy Ritchie back to his best. However, that was not the case."

The above is kinda how I feel when people say Anderson Silva is vulnerable to wrestlers. They use Hendo, Sonnen and even Lutter sometimes as examples.

What they fail to ever mention though is the true context of what actually happened in those fights. He won all of those fights. And not by eeking decisions. He finished each one of them. It's like the movie quote incident above. Choosing the bit that will suit what you want to say most, but ignoring the rest, the most important part.

Mr. Manager

MrStuffins wrote: »

Apologies for this because it might sound weird, but I once saw a movie poster for the (dreadful) Guy Ritchie movie "Revolver" which said "Guy Ritchie back to his best - The Sun".

It turned out that the quote was taken from a negative review which said "Before seeing this movie, I was hoping to see Guy Ritchie back to his best. However, that was not the case."

The above is kinda how I feel when people say Anderson Silva is vulnerable to wrestlers. They use Hendo, Sonnen and even Lutter sometimes as examples.

What they fail to ever mention though is the true context of what actually happened in those fights. He won all of those fights. And not by eeking decisions. He finished each one of them. It's like the movie quote incident above. Choosing the bit that will suit what you want to say most, but ignoring the rest, the most important part.

I'd agree with most of the above but you've got to give it to Chael - he man handled him for about 23 minutes. The bigger picture, yes, he lost but you can't take anything away from him because of that.

People are just stating that he has a (minuscule) leak to his game and that there is an opportunity for wrestlers to take advantage of it.

MrStuffins

I love Chael, but at the end of the day he held him down a lot (neutralising him sure) and didn't do much damage. The better fighter should win and Silva showed in that fight and especially the rematch that he was by far the better fighter.

I'm not saying Weidman has no chance here, but IMO he doesn't have any bigger chance than anyone Silva has faced before. I mean, is Weidman now better than Dan Henderson was when he fought Silva? I don't think so. And Silva made minced meat of Hendo!

Silva will win tomorrow night. He'll win by finish within 2 rounds and I really hope it's his last fight at MW!

Mr. Manager

MrStuffins wrote: »

I love Chael, but at the end of the day he held him down a lot (neutralising him sure) and didn't do much damage. The better fighter should win and Silva showed in that fight and especially the rematch that he was by far the better fighter.

I'm not saying Weidman has no chance here, but IMO he doesn't have any bigger chance than anyone Silva has faced before. I mean, is Weidman now better than Dan Henderson was when he fought Silva? I don't think so. And Silva made minced meat of Hendo!

Silva will win tomorrow night. He'll win by finish within 2 rounds and I really hope it's his last fight at MW!

If Chael didn't have marshmallows for fists the fight would have been over a long time ago. IMO, Weidman is like Chael (in regards to wrestling ability) but with actual punching power.

If I was betting my house, I'd obviously take Silva. Silva is the best MMA practitioner of all time, no doubt about it. I'd have loved to see him retire after beating Chael cause I'll be rooting for Weidman.

Jizzear

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

If Chael didn't have marshmallows for fists the fight would have been over a long time ago. IMO, Weidman is like Chael (in regards to wrestling ability) but with actual punching power.

If I was betting my house, I'd obviously take Silva. Silva is the best MMA practitioner of all time, no doubt about it. I'd have loved to see him retire after beating Chael cause I'll be rooting for Weidman.

This, anderson might not be able to just lay on his back and wait out the round if weidmans connecting from top. It'l be intersting to watch whatever happens, cannot fecking wait!

Gilbert Grape

I see Dana White is trying to get Roy Jones Jr to fight in the UFC against Silva to keep him happy and because GSP won't fight him.

cowzerp

Gilbert Grape wrote: »

I see Dana White is trying to get Roy Jones Jr to fight in the UFC against Silva to keep him happy and because GSP won't fight him.

If that's true then Dana is a disgrace, Toney was washed up by about 10 years in Boxing and RJJ is pretty much the same, Putting athletes in who don't train the sport is wrong and putting them in when their not even good at their own sport is almost criminal neglect in my eyes.

Gilbert Grape

cowzerp wrote: »

If that's true then Dana is a disgrace, Toney was washed up by about 10 years in Boxing and RJJ is pretty much the same, Putting athletes in who don't train the sport is wrong and putting them in when their not even good at their own sport is almost criminal neglect in my eyes.

There's a 50/50 chance that it is either a boxing or mma fight,they have talked about it and RJJ is octagon side tomorrow.

Gilbert Grape

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/roy-jones-jr-talking-dana-white-view-fighting-mma-2500295/ http://www.mmaweekly.com/roy-jones-jr-in-talks-with-dana-white-about-anderson-silva-fight-it-could-be-an-mma-bout

cowzerp

Gilbert Grape wrote: »

There's a 50/50 chance that it is either a boxing or mma fight,they have talked about it and RJJ is octagon side tomorrow.

1st of the UFC would not be sanctioned to do a Boxing match and even in Boxing its a bad match, Imagine Silva being able to say he beat RJJ in a Boxing match, pure BS and a disgrace, peak to peak in Boxing would be a massacre by RJJ, Like what would happen in MMA to RJJ

Gilbert Grape

cowzerp wrote: »

1st of the UFC would not be sanctioned to do a Boxing match and even in Boxing its a bad match, Imagine Silva being able to say he beat RJJ in a Boxing match, pure BS and a disgrace, peak to peak in Boxing would be a massacre by RJJ, Like what would happen in MMA to RJJ

They are in the fight capital of the world and if the UFC think they will make a whole load of money there's a chance it could happen,sure look at David Haye and Chisora when they were'nt licensed they ended up fighting at Upton park,there's ways around it.But i know what your saying,the both of them at their peaks in 1 mma fight and 1 boxing match would have been some fights to watch.

DrPhilG

I'd love to see Silva vs RJJ in a non title fight in the UFC, but with an unofficial "gentlemans agreement" to fight boxing only. No kicks or takedowns so that Jones wouldn't have to anger up his stance etc.

Of course the gloves would make life very different, but it's the closest we'll ever get to seeing these 2 box.

El Guapo!

Silva has been saying for years that he wants to box Roy Jones Jr.
It's a dream of his but I can't see it ever happening.

Anyway, as Cowzer said, RJJ is a bit past it now and it's a nothing fight. Back in the day RJJ was one of the best there ever was. Nobody moved like he did. And if it was peak against peak, it'd be a very bad night for Silva.

If it was to happen, I'd watch it out of interest but the result doesn't mean anything.

Big Ears

Gilbert Grape wrote: »

They are in the fight capital of the world and if the UFC think they will make a whole load of money there's a chance it could happen,sure look at David Haye and Chisora when they were'nt licensed they ended up fighting at Upton park,there's ways around it.But i know what your saying,the both of them at their peaks in 1 mma fight and 1 boxing match would have been some fights to watch.

There were licensed, just not by the BBBofC, but plenty of boxers fight in Britain without a British license (albeit normally they're not from there).

Gilbert Grape

Think the staredown took Weidman by surprise lol,they ended up touching lips..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazahQCtglg

Zero-Cool

Gilbert Grape wrote: »

Think the staredown took Weidman by surprise lol,they ended up touching lips..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazahQCtglg

WTF haha

MrStuffins

sheehy83 wrote: »

WTF haha

"Think unsexy thoughts! Think unsexy thoughts!......"

mailburner

p to the e wrote: »

Interesting to see Mike Pierce, who I personally think is just outside the top 10 in WW, getting such a nobody opponent.

I can't understand that either
most recent losses being splits against hendricks and kosh
he could be a couple of fights away from a title shot but he's
stuck back in the prelims
deserves a bigger name after winning his last three

scudzilla

Salaries have already been released.

Silva is on a 600k flat fee with a 200k win bonus, Wiedman is on 24k wit a 24k win bonus.

I know there's the usual PPV extra's etc but 24k to fight for the title is a bit poor

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/07/anderson-silva-could-bank-800000-at-ufc-162-weidman-stands-to-make-48000

mailburner

scudzilla wrote: »

Salaries have already been released.

Silva is on a 600k flat fee with a 200k win bonus, Wiedman is on 24k wit a 24k win bonus.

I know there's the usual PPV extra's etc but 24k to fight for the title is a bit poor

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/07/anderson-silva-could-bank-800000-at-ufc-162-weidman-stands-to-make-48000

If someone told me that I wouldn't believe it :eek:

El Guapo!

scudzilla wrote: »

Salaries have already been released.

Silva is on a 600k flat fee with a 200k win bonus, Wiedman is on 24k wit a 24k win bonus.

I know there's the usual PPV extra's etc but 24k to fight for the title is a bit poor

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/07/anderson-silva-could-bank-800000-at-ufc-162-weidman-stands-to-make-48000

I wouldn't take much notice of that.
The 24k is obviously just his contracted amount for all his fights. You can be sure he's getting a hefty bonus plus a slice of the ppv.

El Guapo!

El Guapo! wrote: »

I wouldn't take much notice of that.
The 24k is obviously just his contracted amount for all his fights. You can be sure he's getting a hefty bonus plus a slice of the ppv.

Plus main event sponsorship.

Kylo Ren

What time are the Preliminary fights on Facebook lads?

seklly

Keno 92 wrote: »

What time are the Preliminary fights on Facebook lads?

On now

CastingCouch

How long til Anderson fights?

seklly

CastingCouch wrote: »

How long til Anderson fights?

Will probably be around 5am I'd say

stealinhorses

Can't wait for this!

CastingCouch

seklly wrote: »

Will probably be around 5am I'd say

Quite a bit away so! Disappointing.

MrStuffins

CastingCouch wrote: »

How long til Anderson fights?

You mispelled Brock :pac:

DrPhilG

Is there a link for the youtube prelims? I'm stuck in work with SkyGo, Facebook and YouTube blocked, so it's going to be a long night watching on my phone...

CastingCouch

MrStuffins wrote: »

You mispelled Brock :pac:

Wish I got this joke! :P

I have never watched this Anderson fella fight but supposedly the best there is?

El Guapo!

CastingCouch wrote: »

Wish I got this joke! :P

I have never watched this Anderson fella fight but supposedly the best there is?

Back when Brock Lesnar was in the UFC, this forum was constantly flooded with "what time is Brock fighting at?"
It's become a running joke.

And yeah, Silva is the best there ever was. He's a master, and if he's on top form tonight, you're in for a treat.

CastingCouch

El Guapo! wrote: »

Back when Brock Lesnar was in the UFC, this forum was constantly flooded with "what time is Brock fighting at?"
It's become a running joke.

And yeah, Silva is the best there ever was. He's a master, and if he's on top form tonight, you're in for a treat.

Is Brock not in it anymore?

I remember him in the UFC game alright. Beast! :P

Looking forward to this then.

CastingCouch

CastingCouch wrote: »

Is Brock not in it anymore?

Back in WWE now.

I'm dressed in a spider costume, for the occasion.

El Guapo!

CastingCouch wrote: »

Is Brock not in it anymore?

I remember him in the UFC game alright. Beast! :P

He wasn't a fan of getting punched in the face.
But he did it really well!

MrStuffins

CastingCouch wrote: »

Wish I got this joke! :P

I have never watched this Anderson fella fight but supposedly the best there is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb7C1x3JFXg

MrStuffins

Jaysus! Baczynski was out!

Fair play to the lad for going for the finish before the end of the round!