Problem taking over my life

thegreatiam · 10-07-2013 05:14PM

Sensor wrote: »

Yes, more fruit and veg (including brocolli) and less sugar and fat. Now i need more protein and fat and still less sugar . . . .i think!

so you changed your diet to this?

Sensor wrote: »

For breakfast id have all bran and a drink of fizzy water and maybe a cod liver oil omega 3 suppliment tablet. Then at 10.30 id have 2 oatmeal biscuits, a low fat lemon cake, a packet of walkers sunbites, an orange and a cup of tea with milk and no sugar.

At lunch id have something like one of those uncle bens rice lunch pots, mainly the sweet and sour one as it is low fat naturally. I now the sugar is high tho. Or id have uncle bens rice done in the microwave or heinz tomato soup and a ham and cheese sandwich. Sometimes a microwave chicken and cheese panini.

Also sometimes the Mash Direct lunch pots done inthe microwave. I usually get the carrot and parsnip mash or bangers and mash.

Id also have a banana, a muller yoghurt (rice or fruit corner of crunch corner) a Go Ahead fruit slice or yoghurt covered slice and that would be basically it.

For dinner i wouldnt fry anything or do stir frys that often. I would grill steak burgers and have boiled potatoes and side salad.

If i have chips theyre oven chips.

I would again drink fizzy water. And I take an all round vitamin just after dinner. This time im on Wellmans Vitabiotics for men.

Later on I might have some nuts and chocolate.

I see no veg there (just potato), no mention of brocolli and a metric fu(k ton of sugar. What changed exactly?

kevpants · 10-07-2013 05:14PM

thegreatiam wrote: »

This is the biggest load of horse**** ever.
Youre veg may taste like crap. not all veg
And your kids hate your veg so you need to hid it. That works great when the metro want a new filler story to fill the rag but kids eat what you feed them, feed them good food and they will eat good food.
Not being able to give veg to your kids is an excuse.

I'll leave you in a room with a sprig of brocolli and my 3 year old for one hour. If you can get her to eat it I will pay you €1000.

You've clearly never sat in front of a high chair making airplane noises for 2 hours panicking that the child is going to die/be taken off you because they won't eat the "delicious" blend of vegetables you're unsuccesfully mushing against their face. If I ever meet Annabelle Karmel I will kick her in her hole.

Our child is better fed than most kids. She eats tonnes of fruit and gets more than enough veg (even if it's hidden) but I will never judge a parent who resorts to spaghetti hoops because above all else the child has to eat. You can't reason with them, it's a genuinely frightening feeling when you can't actually get food into them.

Young, single childless, idealistic and self absorbed health fanatics rolling their eyes at what parents feed their kids is a big bug bear of mine.

thegreatiam · 10-07-2013 05:17PM

kevpants wrote: »

I'll leave you in a room with a sprig of brocolli and my 3 year old for one hour. If you can get her to eat it I will pay you €1000.

Lol, raise your own children.

Edit: not young either, nor idealistic.

seosamh1980 · 10-07-2013 05:23PM

kevpants wrote: »

Young, single childless, idealistic and self absorbed health fanatics rolling their eyes at what parents feed their kids is a big bug bear of mine.

Funny, parents who maintain that the world falls apart and nutrition (as well as everything else) ceases to exist or matter when they have kids are a bugbear of mine. When I was a kid I was given my dinner, often with gross things like cucumber in it and I ate it, because my mum made it very clear that the alternative was to be very hungry until breakfast. Kids soon get over petty dislikes of food when some actual discipline and common sense is used by their parents.

I just ate cucumber in my lunch because even though I still hate it I know it's good for me and learned to not be a spoiled brat and eat what I'm given.

thegreatiam · 10-07-2013 05:26PM

seosamh1980 wrote: »

Funny, parents who maintain that the world falls apart and nutrition (as well as everything else) ceases to exist or matter when they have kids are a bugbear of mine. When I was a kid I was given my dinner, often with gross things like cucumber in it and I ate it, because my mum made it very clear that the alternative was to be very hungry until breakfast. Kids soon get over petty dislikes of food when some actual discipline and common sense is used by their parents.

I just ate cucumber in my lunch because even though I still hate it I know it's good for me and learned to not be a spoiled brat and eat what I'm given.

breakfast! man youre parents were soft. I remember refusing to eat lamb and mash potato which sat in the fridge til next evening where I ate it while they dined on pizza.
I hate my parents

westies4ever · 10-07-2013 05:28PM

thegreatiam wrote: »

breakfast! man youre parents were soft. I remember refusing to eat lamb and mash potato which sat in the fridge til next evening where I ate it while they dined on pizza.
I hate my parents

pretty much same here - i dont ever remember getting a choice. liver and onions day was the worst 'its good for you! full of iron!'

one good thing that came out of it - im not at all picky and theres very little food that i dont actually like.

kevpants · 10-07-2013 05:35PM

seosamh1980 wrote: »

Funny, parents who maintain that the world falls apart and nutrition (as well as everything else) ceases to exist or matter when they have kids are a bugbear of mine.

Who said anything about nutrition ceasing to exist? I'm simply trying to inject some realism into this circle jerk. Or maybe I just need to "read the stickies" to my toddler. Then she'll get it.

Have a browse of a few parenting forums with exasperated parents struggling to get enough food into their kids because of how fussy they are and see if it re-evaluates that it's as simple as dropping a plate of veggies in front of them.

Obviously families who live off exclusively beige food are a big problem and there are issues there but I hear people giving out about kids getting bread! FFS we all know bread's not ideal but it's bloody hard to fuel an active kid without it. Also see the aforemntioned parsnip chips. I still laugh when I think back to that night in the Pants household.

Oryx · 10-07-2013 05:39PM

kevpants wrote: »

Who said anything about nutrition ceasing to exist? I'm simply trying to inject some realism into this circle jerk. Or maybe I just need to "read the stickies" to my toddler. Then she'll get it.

Have a browse of a few parenting forums with exasperated parents struggling to get enough food into their kids because of how fussy they are and see if it re-evaluates that it's as simple as dropping a plate of veggies in front of them.

Obviously families who live off exclusively beige food are a big problem and there are issues there but I hear people giving out about kids getting bread! FFS we all know bread's not ideal but it's bloody hard to fuel an active kid without it. Also see the aforemntioned parsnip chips. I still laugh when I think back to that night in the Pants household.

This thread is about an adult.

And this is a tiny bit off topic, but good discussion nonetheless.

I live with one of the fussiest eating children ever born. Would gag on mashed potato and baby rice as an infant. I know the pain of feeding a fussy child.

syklops · 10-07-2013 05:54PM

Oryx wrote: »

This thread is about an adult. And this is a tiny bit off topic, but good discussion nonetheless.

I live with one of the fussiest eating children ever born. Would gag on mashed potato and baby rice as an infant. I know the pain of feeding a fussy child.

Not only is this thread about an adult, the OPs child is two months old.

SarahC91 · 10-07-2013 05:57PM

The exact same happened me and I was eventually diagnoses with a Vitamin B12 deficiency

Sensor · 10-07-2013 09:38PM

SarahC91 wrote: »

The exact same happened me and I was eventually diagnoses with a Vitamin B12 deficiency

I tried to research the whole not getting enough fat or protein of carbs. I spoke to the other half and she agrees. I eat what she eats and she sees me getting tired very quickly and often. She says i cant function at all on an empty stomach, which may be typical of most men!

I read the stickies and theres a part at the end about insulin sensitivity. I fint it really easy to drop weight. Part of the reason my diet is so poor is because i can eat all that without putting on any weight. Thats something i need to explore.

Ive also calculated my total calories and everything etc in the attached . I dont know how to tell good fats from bad but ill try to find out. Please see that attached and post your thoughts.

doctorwhogirl · 10-07-2013 10:05PM

I know this thread has been through the ringer, but this is my take purely on the day you just posted.

I definitely think it's way too carb heavy. 360g of carbs is an awful lot especially because you are getting most of those carbs from refined, processed sources (bran flakes, go ahead, white bap, white rice, wedges, biscuits, crisps, chocolate)

The more I've investigated and changed my diet the more I've come to realise just how different people are in terms of the foods that they can tolerate.

I personally feel I'm less able to tolerate carbs than others-they cause lethargy and bloating etc... in me.

All the above carbs I've just listed from your day are giving you massive sugar/carb spikes and then you're crashing. Is your wife eating the exact same as you?

As everyone has said on here more fats/protein will give you a slower release of energy. IN that day you only had 54g of protein (probably more as the tesco pork chop's nutritional information had protein missing) but not a lot. I'm a 5ft 4 woman and I had 150g or so today.

You can see just how much sugar you're getting from that journal entry too.

Anyway, I think most of the advice has been mostly accurate so far. I would get the doctors visit in but blood tests etc... take weeks. You can change your diet tomorrow.

Sensor · 10-07-2013 10:14PM

doctorwhogirl wrote: »

I know this thread has been through the ringer, but this is my take purely on the day you just posted.

I definitely think it's way too carb heavy. 360g of carbs is an awful lot especially because you are getting most of those carbs from refined, processed sources (bran flakes, go ahead, white bap, white rice, wedges, biscuits, crisps, chocolate)

The more I've investigated and changed my diet the more I've come to realise just how different people are in terms of the foods that they can tolerate.

I personally feel I'm less able to tolerate carbs than others-they cause lethargy and bloating etc... in me.

All the above carbs I've just listed from your day are giving you massive sugar/carb spikes and then you're crashing. Is your wife eating the exact same as you?

As everyone has said on here more fats/protein will give you a slower release of energy. IN that day you only had 54g of protein (probably more as the tesco pork chop's nutritional information had protein missing) but not a lot. I'm a 5ft 4 woman and I had 150g or so today.

You can see just how much sugar you're getting from that journal entry too.

Anyway, I think most of the advice has been mostly accurate so far. I would get the doctors visit in but blood tests etc... take weeks. You can change your diet tomorrow.

Hi Doc, you had 150g protein?? I heard it was related to body weight and what you want to acheive in exercise? What do u eat thats so high in protein if u dont mind me asking?

I think im going to get a few eggs in and start there. Boil them and have them as snacks seems a good idea.

Ill have to check the accuracy of that attachment now because there should be some protein in pork chops?

Oh and reduce carbs based on your advice.

doctorwhogirl · 10-07-2013 10:19PM

Sensor wrote: »

Hi Doc, you had 150g protein?? I heard it was related to body weight and what you want to acheive in exercise? What do u eat thats so high in protein if u dont mind me asking?

I think im going to get a few eggs in and start there. Boil them and have them as snacks seems a good idea.

Ill have to check the accuracy of that attachment now because there should be some protein in pork chops?

Oh and reduce carbs based on your advice.

You don't have to cut carbs. And even reduce is the wrong word, but you need to get them from better sources- brown rice, whole grains, sweet potatoes, vegetables...

Well I'm 135lbs or so so I'm slightly over but I exercise a good bit so need good levels for recovery.

I had egg whites with my porridge this morning (sounds odd, but it works!), tin of tuna with my lunch, biggish chicken breast for dinner and then these oat and egg white pancakes with my extra protein for supper and that's mainly where it's coming from. Also got some from yoghurt today too but it's more or less equal in terms of protein vs carbs.

Sensor · 10-07-2013 10:40PM

doctorwhogirl wrote: »

You don't have to cut carbs. And even reduce is the wrong word, but you need to get them from better sources- brown rice, whole grains, sweet potatoes, vegetables...

Well I'm 135lbs or so so I'm slightly over but I exercise a good bit so need good levels for recovery.

I had egg whites with my porridge this morning (sounds odd, but it works!), tin of tuna with my lunch, biggish chicken breast for dinner and then these oat and egg white pancakes with my extra protein for supper and that's mainly where it's coming from. Also got some from yoghurt today too but it's more or less equal in terms of protein vs carbs.

Ok so my problem is carbs. Im taking the wrong ones and its spiking my blood sugar levels. I need to get more complex carbs in there then and then see.

Do you eat complex carbs at night to keep you going til morning? Thats maybe why i feel hungover because im either starving myself totally or overloading on sugar.

doctorwhogirl · 10-07-2013 10:55PM

Sensor wrote: »

Ok so my problem is carbs. Im taking the wrong ones and its spiking my blood sugar levels. I need to get more complex carbs in there then and then see.

Do you eat complex carbs at night to keep you going til morning? Thats maybe why i feel hungover because im either starving myself totally or overloading on sugar.

Look, this is all just advice, I don't know what the exact problem is because there may be a medical issue at play. I'm judging from a non-expert position purely on your food. But yeah, cutting out a lot of that stuff should in theory make a difference.

I was just posting in a thread in Nutrition and Diet forum about the oatbran pancakes and the recipe is there. I have them with peanut/almond butter and I'm perfectly satisfied until morning. I'd be hungry for my breakfast but that's just because i LOVE my breakfast more than actual hunger!!!

Sensor · 10-07-2013 11:00PM

doctorwhogirl wrote: »

Look, this is all just advice, I don't know what the exact problem is because there may be a medical issue at play. I'm judging from a non-expert position purely on your food. But yeah, cutting out a lot of that stuff should in theory make a difference.

I was just posting in a thread in Nutrition and Diet forum about the oatbran pancakes and the recipe is there. I have them with peanut/almond butter and I'm perfectly satisfied until morning. I'd be hungry for my breakfast but that's just because i LOVE my breakfast more than actual hunger!!!

Im not trying to pin you down, i just think you've hit on something which may be right. Im not going to hold you to it!

What sort of time do u eat last at night? Just before bed or before a certain time?

Ill have to try those pancakes out. Im tyring brown bread 2nite to see how i am 2moro morning.

solas111 · 10-07-2013 11:03PM

Discostuy wrote: »

I knew someone in a similar condition which turned out to be an underactive thyroid problem. Might be worth speaking with a GP and narrowing down the possible causes.

Alcohol has a huge affect on energy and tiredness. Drinking a JD every night will tire your body, but the sleep you get won't be the same as a normal sleep.
Rather than recharging energy, your body will be working to break down the drink and repair the body. You'll most likely find you'll walk up groggy and equally tired.

I also know someone who had similar symptoms from an underactive thyroid gland. Whatever is cause it would be better to talk to a doctor rather than relying on opinions you will get here.

Eva_C · 10-07-2013 11:27PM

Hopefully a visit to your GP will help get to the route of your problem.

Just a suggestion that it could be worth asking your GP to test for Vitamin B12 Deficiency & Hemochromatosis (Iron Overload). Both conditions can leave you feeling very lethargic regardless of how good your diet is.

Both conditions are easily managed & your energy slowly but surely returns. I'm speaking from personal experience.

Best of luck!

Jellybaby1 · 10-07-2013 11:41PM

Typical of my symptoms pre-diagnosis for gluten intolerance, eating and feeling tired, continual yawning, and dropping weight. At one stage I dropped to less than 7 stone (44kg). Scared the heck out of me at the time. They tested me for everything, thyroid, diabetes, etc., etc., before they found Coeliac. Maybe you will update us when you've seen a GP and had some tests done.

Edit:On your other posts in September 2012 you said you had been to the GP 6 months earlier for diabetes tests but you didn't say what the results were. Also you said that you didn't want to waste the doctor's time if the problem was merely your bad diet. I also notice that the posters then were also encouraging you to go to your doctor. Here we are in July 2013 and you are still suffering with the same tiredness. Just go to the doctor.

Stheno · 11-07-2013 12:23AM

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

Typical of my symptoms pre-diagnosis for gluten intolerance, eating and feeling tired, continual yawning, and dropping weight. At one stage I dropped to less than 7 stone (44kg). Scared the heck out of me at the time. They tested me for everything, thyroid, diabetes, etc., etc., before they found Coeliac. Maybe you will update us when you've seen a GP and had some tests done.

Edit:On your other posts in September 2012 you said you had been to the GP 6 months earlier for diabetes tests but you didn't say what the results were. Also you said that you didn't want to waste the doctor's time if the problem was merely your bad diet. I also notice that the posters then were also encouraging you to go to your doctor. Here we are in July 2013 and you are still suffering with the same tiredness. Just go to the doctor.

I had similar problems in the past and it was poor diet, I simply wasn't eating the right food. I don't have gluten intolerance, but a diet of heavily processed carbs caused me to feel sluggish and tired all of the time.

My diet needs a lot of work still compared to some one here, and I suffer from a small appetite, but I found that moving to more basic non-processed foods a godsend, and shifted eating processed foods to the evenings.

If I were to eat the likes of the chicken wrap the OP had for lunch today at lunchtime, I'd be asleep an hour later.

Sensor · 11-07-2013 08:42AM

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

Typical of my symptoms pre-diagnosis for gluten intolerance, eating and feeling tired, continual yawning, and dropping weight. At one stage I dropped to less than 7 stone (44kg). Scared the heck out of me at the time. They tested me for everything, thyroid, diabetes, etc., etc., before they found Coeliac. Maybe you will update us when you've seen a GP and had some tests done.

Edit:On your other posts in September 2012 you said you had been to the GP 6 months earlier for diabetes tests but you didn't say what the results were. Also you said that you didn't want to waste the doctor's time if the problem was merely your bad diet. I also notice that the posters then were also encouraging you to go to your doctor. Here we are in July 2013 and you are still suffering with the same tiredness. Just go to the doctor.

I did go to a doctor and all the tests came back negative. As i said i didnt want to be wasting a doctors time.

Sensor · 11-07-2013 08:46AM

Stheno wrote: »

I had similar problems in the past and it was poor diet, I simply wasn't eating the right food. I don't have gluten intolerance, but a diet of heavily processed carbs caused me to feel sluggish and tired all of the time.

My diet needs a lot of work still compared to some one here, and I suffer from a small appetite, but I found that moving to more basic non-processed foods a godsend, and shifted eating processed foods to the evenings.

If I were to eat the likes of the chicken wrap the OP had for lunch today at lunchtime, I'd be asleep an hour later.

Some people must be far more sensitive to it than others. I ditched the all bran this monring for some porridge. I read somewhere that whole milk has a lower glycamec index than semi skimmed then in another place that it is higher. Non the less i tried full fat milk and we'll see how it goes today.

desertcircus · 11-07-2013 09:41AM

You're consuming too much carbs, too little protein, and FAR too much sugar. Stop eating processed foods, it's giving you an instant spike in sugar levels and then a crash shortly after. More complex slow-release carbs, while still reducing carbs overall. But Jesus, cut down on the sugar. You're eating more than treble your recommended intake - you're eating an entire weeks worth by Tuesday night.

runawaybishop · 11-07-2013 09:44AM

Sensor wrote: »

I did go to a doctor and all the tests came back negative. As i said i didnt want to be wasting a doctors time.

You'll still have to pay the doctor, so they won't mind how much time you "waste". Waking up with a splitting headache and a pain in one eye is not a good sign, nor is being constantly tired.

syklops · 11-07-2013 09:54AM

sensor wrote:

I tried to research the whole not getting enough fat or protein of carbs. I spoke to the other half and she agrees. I eat what she eats and she sees me getting tired very quickly and often. She says i cant function at all on an empty stomach, which may be typical of most men!

No, its not typical of most men. A healthy man, can skip breakfast and lunch and aside from feeling a bit hungry can work and function perfectly fine. I remember one day, I was in the Army Reserves and we went on a day of outdoor manoeuvres, walking through fields, carrying rifles and ammunition. I had been in a hurry in the morning so skipped breakfast, was really looking forward to lunch when we got word we had left with out it. :mad: All I got was a cup of tea. We were told to suck it up on move on. Come dinner time I was really hungry, but none of us were falling asleep or losing concentration or anything.

If your wife is saying you can't function on an empty stomach then something is amiss. I'm not sure if you answered this already but whats your height and your weight?

thegreatiam · 11-07-2013 10:10AM

So the diet you posted in the image is that your new diet or your old diet?

If it's your old then that's fine, you know what to change.
If that is what you are currently eating then you deserve to be tired.

Bran flakes, go ahead bars, uncle bens microwave meals, large white baps, uncle bens again, mccain wedges, low fat cake, biscuits, crisps and chocolate.

0 portions of vegetables and 1 pork chop and 2 sausages.

Exactly how do you think you have followed advise given?
Frankly youre an idiot if you think youve adjusted anything. Half of your food choices were named as bad choices and yet you are still eating them.

I hope you do feel tired and low energy still. Because it will continue until your food choices change.

What kind of muppet thinks they can live of microwave meals twice a day and chocolate and not feel tired.

There is not one single example of healthy food this diet. Yet it's been explained to you countless times over countless months and the information is freely available and you have been told how to use it. At this stage you are wasting your time.
Keep bitching that you feel tired, cos im simply laughing at you now.

Sensor · 11-07-2013 10:27AM

syklops wrote: »

No, its not typical of most men. A healthy man, can skip breakfast and lunch and aside from feeling a bit hungry can work and function perfectly fine. I remember one day, I was in the Army Reserves and we went on a day of outdoor manoeuvres, walking through fields, carrying rifles and ammunition. I had been in a hurry in the morning so skipped breakfast, was really looking forward to lunch when we got word we had left with out it. :mad: All I got was a cup of tea. We were told to suck it up on move on. Come dinner time I was really hungry, but none of us were falling asleep or losing concentration or anything.

If your wife is saying you can't function on an empty stomach then something is amiss. I'm not sure if you answered this already but whats your height and your weight?

Just under 6 foot and about 12 stone.

When i did eat a lot of veg (raw carrotts, brocolli, beans, home made veg soup with barley and lentils, sweetcorn, peas mixed into my food, cooking with onions and peppers all the time) I felt no better than i do now.

I got the same feeling eating what i do now and taking a vitamin tablet.

Its terrible but Im now going to the doc hoping they will find something!

Sensor · 11-07-2013 10:34AM

thegreatiam wrote: »

So the diet you posted in the image is that your new diet or your old diet?

If it's your old then that's fine, you know what to change.
If that is what you are currently eating then you deserve to be tired.

Bran flakes, go ahead bars, uncle bens microwave meals, large white baps, uncle bens again, mccain wedges, low fat cake, biscuits, crisps and chocolate.

0 portions of vegetables and 1 pork chop and 2 sausages.

Exactly how do you think you have followed advise given?
Frankly youre an idiot if you think youve adjusted anything. Half of your food choices were named as bad choices and yet you are still eating them.

I hope you do feel tired and low energy still. Because it will continue until your food choices change.

What kind of muppet thinks they can live of microwave meals twice a day and chocolate and not feel tired.

There is not one single example of healthy food this diet. Yet it's been explained to you countless times over countless months and the information is freely available and you have been told how to use it. At this stage you are wasting your time.
Keep bitching that you feel tired, cos im simply laughing at you now.

Laugh away there, you're missing the point! You're "eat more veg" advice didnt "cure me" so im back to eating watever i want. The missus eats what i eat and theres a big difference between how i feel after eating.

I can eat chocolate and crisps and full sugar fizzy drinks with no exercise and feel the same if not better than if I have veg stir fry and go cycling for the evening!

Im going to a doctor, like everyone else said, not a dietician!

thegreatiam · 11-07-2013 10:35AM

You go girl, that showed me.

Problem taking over my life

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