Problem taking over my life

Sensor

Hello,

I have no current medical ailments. I never had. Ive been tested for diabetes and thats negative.

The problem is that im always tired/lethargic. It becomes so bad sometimes i struggle to think straight.

Ive bought a new super king size bed, made sure i get the right amount of sleep etc. Seems no difference between 5 hours of unbroken sleep and 8 hours of deep sleep so thats not the problem.

I tried limiting sugar and caffeine. I drank fizzy water by the pint to make sure i was hydrated. Diet everything, low fat stuff. Dont eat chocolate anymore, low fat margarine etc etc. Still the same.

I took exercise to the point where i was properly fit but i still yawned during exercise and felt no better.

I struggle to get up in the mornings no matter how much sleep i get. Any my eyes are always black rings round them and feel dry.

Its been getting me down. . .

All until last night. I had a chippie for dinner, no veg whatsoever. Then had a few buns with chocolate at about 10pm and a can of fanta with 43% sugar and mixed some of that with jack daniels as i thought alcohol would help me sleep. (ive been drinking at least one every night to try and get slightly better sleep and it did workfor a while!)

I woke up this morning feeling fine. Firing on all cylinders and i dont for the life of me know why. I feel normal again.

Can anyone explain this? I was thinking of too many carbohydrates? I always feel really tied after lunch. Long grain rice + white bread maybe too high a glycemic index?

Any ideas would be superb as i think ive tried everything and it really is a downer all the time.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

Hello,



I tried limiting sugar and caffeine. I drank fizzy water by the pint to make sure i was hydrated. Diet everything, low fat stuff. Dont eat chocolate anymore, low fat margarine etc etc. Still the same.


All until last night. I had a chippie for dinner, no veg whatsoever. Then had a few buns with chocolate at about 10pm and a can of fanta with 43% sugar and mixed some of that with jack daniels as i thought alcohol would help me sleep. (ive been drinking at least one every night to try and get slightly better sleep and it did workfor a while!)

Diet and low fat food is rarely the best option. It's loaded with sugars usually, which will be burned by your body fast leaving you lethargic and hungry soon after.

My first suggestion would be go to a dietitian and get your self checked out, any advice offered here by forum members is, at best, speculation.

You might want to look at your diet as a whole, sounds like you don't really eat too well.
Limit your diet to fresh whole foods, nothing packaged or processed.
Eat real meat, real dairy and lots of veg.

Some people have adverse affects from bread, leaving them sluggish and tired. Consider removing bread (gluten) from your diet completely.

But most importantly seek a professional for at least a consultation, there may be deeper medical issues. Find a reputable dietician and get your whole diet looked at.

Sensor

[/QUOTE]My first suggestion would be go to a dietitian and get your self checked out, any advice offered here by forum members is, at best, speculation.

You might want to look at your diet as a whole, sounds like you don't really eat too well.
Limit your diet to fresh whole foods, nothing packaged or processed.
Eat real meat, real dairy and lots of veg.

Some people have adverse affects from bread, leaving them sluggish and tired. Consider removing bread (gluten) from your diet completely.

But most importantly seek a professional for at least a consultation, there may be deeper medical issues. Find a reputable dietician and get your whole diet looked at.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your advice.

It doesnt seem to matter what I eat, i dont feel any different. I always go to the butchers and grill or oven cook all the meat i eat. Ive even started eating broccoli which is just mental because i used to hate it so much as a kid!

The gluten free diet may be the thing to try.

I just dont get how eating a chicken burger and chips followed at 10-11pm with a can of fanta and chocolate buns and a refresher bar can make me feel BETTER than what I do normally with a glass of fizzy water or juice!

I get the feeling theres no point in doing or trying anything because it doesnt make a difference so ive stopped all exercise and i just eat what i want now at weekends.

Whatever is causing this, I cant find a link between it and when i feel really tired.

amazingemmet

My guess is not enough saturated fat in your diet.

Discostuy

I knew someone in a similar condition which turned out to be an underactive thyroid problem. Might be worth speaking with a GP and narrowing down the possible causes.

Alcohol has a huge affect on energy and tiredness. Drinking a JD every night will tire your body, but the sleep you get won't be the same as a normal sleep.
Rather than recharging energy, your body will be working to break down the drink and repair the body. You'll most likely find you'll walk up groggy and equally tired.

Sensor

amazingemmet wrote: »

My guess is not enough saturated fat in your diet.

Hi Emmet, You might be right. For a long time I have bee clamping down on saturates, drinking the danacol to lower cholestorol and looking at the food labels for the lowest saturated fat.

How do you know how much to eat? Im sure i eat a decent amount of fat at the weekends. I suppose its the correct type of saturated fat im looking for?

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

I just dont get how eating a chicken burger and chips followed at 10-11pm with a can of fanta and chocolate buns and a refresher bar can make me feel BETTER than what I do normally with a glass of fizzy water or juice!

If you dont understand why eating a meal with a lot of protein, fat and carbs gives you more energy than a glass of water or juice then you need to learn all about food.

I'm going to assume you have never really tried to learn about how your body works, and like most people have a very limited knowledge about food and diet, probably filled with misinformation, outdated ideas and some blatant myths.

The really good thing is that a lot of the information you need is in the stickies on this forum.
go learn about fat protein and carbs, learn about what your body does with them and learn how to change your diet for the better.

The other really good thing is you dont need to know anything other than eat real food, in a balanced and varied diet.
Eat fresh meat from the butcher, eat fresh fish from the sea, eat fresh veg from the grocer and fresh dairy from the cow. Add nuts and some seeds and a lot of fresh water and youll probably fix your tiredness.

syklops

Diet everything, low fat stuff. Dont eat chocolate anymore, low fat margarine etc etc. Still the same.

Without getting into specifics, I'd say that is your problem right there.

I struggle to get up in the mornings no matter how much sleep i get

Admittedly, I've been like this all my life.

mixed some of that with jack daniels as i thought alcohol would help me sleep. (ive been drinking at least one every night to try and get slightly better sleep and it did workfor a while!)

If you want a glass of whiskey before bed, do it because you like it, not because you think it will help you sleep. Doing it every night to make you sleep is self medicating, and its a very slippery slope. Also, alcohol reduces the benefits of sleep. Thats why you always feel tired the morning after a session.

If you genuinely have problems getting to sleep, go to a doctor and explain to them about your sleeping problems and see if they will give you something. While you are there, you might as well get your moneys worth so ask to get a blood test done, and see if anything comes back.

Next have a good look at your diet. A common mantra around here is, you can't out train a bad diet, and it is very true. Cut out all processed food, and that includes anything with diet or lite in the title. I try to aim to only eat things that one could make in a kitchen with raw ingredients. If you had a milk churn, you could make real butter in any domestic kitchen, you could not make Flora lite.

Maybe post up a few days of what you generally eat and we can offer full, non-processed alternatives?

Sensor

thegreatiam wrote: »

If you dont understand why eating a meal with a lot of protein, fat and carbs gives you more energy than a glass of water or juice then you need to learn all about food.

I'm going to assume you have never really tried to learn about how your body works, and like most people have a very limited knowledge about food and diet, probably filled with misinformation, outdated ideas and some blatant myths.

The really good thing is that a lot of the information you need is in the stickies on this forum.
go learn about fat protein and carbs, learn about what your body does with them and learn how to change your diet for the better.

The other really good thing is you dont need to know anything other than eat real food, in a balanced and varied diet.
Eat fresh meat from the butcher, eat fresh fish from the sea, eat fresh veg from the grocer and fresh dairy from the cow. Add nuts and some seeds and a lot of fresh water and youll probably fix your tiredness.

I think u misunderstand my problem. How come after eating junk and sleeping, why do I feel better the next morning? As opposed to having a good meal and diet and only drinking water as opposed to fanta before bed.

I do eat fresh food. I have a problem with severe fatigue , which could mean I'm allergic to some foods!

Maybe someone out there gas had the same problem. My mum was diagnosed with and under active thyroid but my blood tests said mine was normal. She sleeps all the time and suffers from headaches.

I woke up on sat with a severe headache and I didn't even have a jD before bed! I was nearly sick it was so bad.

amazingemmet

Sensor wrote: »

I think u misunderstand my problem. How come after eating junk and sleeping, why do I feel better the next morning? As opposed to having a good meal and diet and only drinking water as opposed to fanta before bed.

More fat and total cals? Your question is verging on medical advice at this stage.

syklops

Sensor wrote: »

I think u misunderstand my problem. How come after eating junk and sleeping, why do I feel better the next morning? As opposed to having a good meal and diet and only drinking water as opposed to fanta before bed.

You will need to post up an example of what you ate and drank for a day for us to get an idea of what your diet is like.

Hanley

amazingemmet wrote: »

More fat and total cals? Your question is verging on medical advice at this stage.

That's my guess too.

Thread reads as "person starves themselves and feels tired, binges and feels great".

Total kcal and fat intake seem like the first port o' call. Assuming no underlying medical issue.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

I think u misunderstand my problem. How come after eating junk and sleeping, why do I feel better the next morning? As opposed to having a good meal and diet and only drinking water as opposed to fanta before bed.

It has been pointed out several times: "Diet everything, low fat stuff". does not equal a good diet. You're probably missing huge chunks of what you need to function while living off of special k and low fat cheese.

At least post up here what you think a good diet is, im going to hedge my bets and say its probably not as good as you think it is.

Sensor wrote: »

I do eat fresh food. I have a problem with severe fatigue , which could mean I'm allergic to some foods!

Yes, we mentioned going to professional to check it out, it could be gluten intolerance. but go to a professional.

Sensor wrote: »

Maybe someone out there gas had the same problem. My mum was diagnosed with and under active thyroid but my blood tests said mine was normal. She sleeps all the time and suffers from headaches.

there are probably countless people with the same problem, you may find one that has similar symptoms, but as with most medical conditions what can appear to be one thing could easily be something else, only a professional who can examine you first hand and has access to your medical history can tell. At least that professional will be acting off actual facts, we are guessing of some minor symptoms and glaring gaps in the information.
No one can even guess what could be wrong with you if you don't give them the info they need.

Sensor wrote: »

I woke up on sat with a severe headache and I didn't even have a jD before bed! I was nearly sick it was so bad.

/facepalm

GO TO A PROFESSIONAL

Sensor

Hi guys, sorry my internet was down yesterday.

Im not saying my diet is great but when i eat potatoes, meat and veg for dinner it doesnt seem to make me feel any better. Since monday morning ive been feeling fine.

For breakfast id have all bran and a drink of fizzy water and maybe a cod liver oil omega 3 suppliment tablet. Then at 10.30 id have 2 oatmeal biscuits, a low fat lemon cake, a packet of walkers sunbites, an orange and a cup of tea with milk and no sugar.

At lunch id have something like one of those uncle bens rice lunch pots, mainly the sweet and sour one as it is low fat naturally. I now the sugar is high tho. Or id have uncle bens rice done in the microwave or heinz tomato soup and a ham and cheese sandwich. Sometimes a microwave chicken and cheese panini.

Also sometimes the Mash Direct lunch pots done inthe microwave. I usually get the carrot and parsnip mash or bangers and mash.

Id also have a banana, a muller yoghurt (rice or fruit corner of crunch corner) a Go Ahead fruit slice or yoghurt covered slice and that would be basically it.

For dinner i wouldnt fry anything or do stir frys that often. I would grill steak burgers and have boiled potatoes and side salad.

If i have chips theyre oven chips.

I would again drink fizzy water. And I take an all round vitamin just after dinner. This time im on Wellmans Vitabiotics for men.

Later on I might have some nuts and chocolate.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Really sounds like there is more going on here than can be fixed with protien and squats. Go to a doctor and discuss you problem. Drinking to get to sleep is the short road to alocholism.

Sensor

Diego Squeaking Pedigree wrote: »

Really sounds like there is more going on here than can be fixed with protien and squats. Go to a doctor and discuss you problem. Drinking to get to sleep is the short road to alocholism.

I know, ive stopped that now. Its not to get me to sleep, its just that it seems to make me feel slightly better in the morning after one or two. I have no problems sleeping but its that terrible feeling in the mornings like im hung over when i havent even drank.

Last week i woke up with a stinging headache and it felt light my right eye was going to pop out. It lasted from 9am to about 1pm when i had to take a couple of pain killers in between.

Every day isnt like this but this is an example of the unexplained crap i go through.

runawaybishop

Sensor wrote: »

Last week i woke up with a stinging headache and it felt light my right eye was going to pop out. It lasted from 9am to about 1pm when i had to take a couple of pain killers in between.

Every day isnt like this but this is an example of the unexplained crap i go through.

Stop posting here and go to the doctors

amazingemmet

Sensor wrote: »

For breakfast id have all bran and a drink of fizzy water and maybe a cod liver oil omega 3 suppliment tablet. Then at 10.30 id have 2 oatmeal biscuits, a low fat lemon cake, a packet of walkers sunbites, an orange and a cup of tea with milk and no sugar.

At lunch id have something like one of those uncle bens rice lunch pots, mainly the sweet and sour one as it is low fat naturally. I now the sugar is high tho. Or id have uncle bens rice done in the microwave or heinz tomato soup and a ham and cheese sandwich. Sometimes a microwave chicken and cheese panini.

Also sometimes the Mash Direct lunch pots done in the microwave. I usually get the carrot and parsnip mash or bangers and mash.

Id also have a banana, a muller yoghurt (rice or fruit corner of crunch corner) a Go Ahead fruit slice or yoghurt covered slice and that would be basically it.

For dinner i wouldnt fry anything or do stir frys that often. I would grill steak burgers and have boiled potatoes and side salad.

If i have chips theyre oven chips.

I would again drink fizzy water. And I take an all round vitamin just after dinner.

^^There's your problem, The only meal there that's ok is dinner to some extent.

Too much crap food. The problem with crap food is its not nourishing, ie no vitamins, minerals and micro-nutrients so you can eat loads of it but still not feel full or receive what your body needs.

My advice is spend some time reading up on the "Paleo Diet" and implementing it. Here's a quick run through http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10/04/the-beginners-guide-to-the-paleo-diet/

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

For breakfast id have all bran and a drink of fizzy water and maybe a cod liver oil omega 3 suppliment tablet. Then at 10.30 id have 2 oatmeal biscuits, a low fat lemon cake, a packet of walkers sunbites, an orange and a cup of tea with milk and no sugar.

At lunch id have something like one of those uncle bens rice lunch pots, mainly the sweet and sour one as it is low fat naturally. I now the sugar is high tho. Or id have uncle bens rice done in the microwave or heinz tomato soup and a ham and cheese sandwich. Sometimes a microwave chicken and cheese panini.

Also sometimes the Mash Direct lunch pots done inthe microwave. I usually get the carrot and parsnip mash or bangers and mash.

Id also have a banana, a muller yoghurt (rice or fruit corner of crunch corner) a Go Ahead fruit slice or yoghurt covered slice and that would be basically it.

For dinner i wouldnt fry anything or do stir frys that often. I would grill steak burgers and have boiled potatoes and side salad.

If i have chips theyre oven chips.

I would again drink fizzy water. And I take an all round vitamin just after dinner. This time im on Wellmans Vitabiotics for men.

Later on I might have some nuts and chocolate.

Emmett has said it already but everything in bold is processed, nutrient free and full of sugar. You don't have a good diet that's probably why you feel crap.

Stop buying microwave ready meals, they are possibly the worst thing for you, as are the "healthy biscuits" like go ahead etc.
You are a perfect example of an advertisers dream. You only eat the stuff they tell you is good for you with no application of logic. Stop listening to the adverts, they really do not care if you are healthy only that you buy their products not something actually good for you .

Eat real food. limit your spuds.
the basic rule of thumb is the more healthy it says it is on the packet, the faster you should walk past it in the isle.

Here is what you need to do. (go to a doctor/or dietician)

Go to a butcher, buy your meat there. chicken, turkey, beef pork etc, only the meat, no sauces, not pre stuffed just the meat.
go to a grocer and fill a bag with veg, 2 bags if you can.
Buy bright colored veg and leafy greens.
get some eggs too.

For breakfast eat eggs and meat and veg.

for dinner, eat meat and 3 types of veg,
for tea, eat meat and 3 types of veg
for a snack, eat an egg, some meat or some veg or all 3

Do that for a month and if you still feel tired ill eat my hat. (provided your DR says there is nothing else wrong with you.

Sensor

I only have one problem with this . . . i have 2 kids and i work full time! I wouldnt get the time to cook lovely meals like that 3 times a day let alone have time to eat it!

I know my diet isnt great. I dont have time to make anything ultra healthy. Im just trying to avoid high fat and sugary foods and have an average diet.

Anyways the food i eat makes no difference. I can eat chineese and feel the same as when i eat spuds and broccoli.

Also the other thing that may or may not be linked with this is my short term memory has got quite poor and sometimes its scary what I forget. Maybe diet related too?

I will try and do the paleo diet thing and see what happens. Thanks for all your helpful posts

amazingemmet

Sensor wrote: »

I only have one problem with this . . . i have 2 kids and i work full time! I wouldnt get the time to cook lovely meals like that 3 times a day let alone have time to eat it!

Here's the thing, you only need to cook once a day. It takes 20-30mins to prepare your food for the day. Cook in batches and freeze it. Get used to eating the same thing everyday, is it boring yes will it help you yes!

Its one thing I'm grateful of that when younger my mother would have me and my sister in the kitchen helping prepare the dinner the next days school lunches. If its age appropriate for your kids I suggest get them involved.

Here's an example of something you can cook once and have lunches for the whole week.

http://www.silverhydra.com/2011/10/meat-slop/

Its a lifestyle change and for the first 30-40days you'll be stumbling around but it'll click then but you've got to commit.

Here's your choices as you've presented them. Continue as it goes feel like sh!t suffer energy and performance issue or do something that is different which will more then likely help you and your family aswell.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

I only have one problem with this . . . i have 2 kids and i work full time! I wouldnt get the time to cook lovely meals like that 3 times a day let alone have time to eat it!

I know my diet isnt great. I dont have time to make anything ultra healthy. Im just trying to avoid high fat and sugary foods and have an average diet.

Anyways the food i eat makes no difference. I can eat chineese and feel the same as when i eat spuds and broccoli.

Also the other thing that may or may not be linked with this is my short term memory has got quite poor and sometimes its scary what I forget. Maybe diet related too?

I will try and do the paleo diet thing and see what happens. Thanks for all your helpful posts

We all have excuses and lives to lead. It doesnt any longer to cook chicken and veg as it does to make oven chips and turkey twizzlers. Just plan in advance.

You have many suggestions as to what may be wrong but I feel like yo uare not interested in the advice you have been given. So I will tell you the cold truth.

You're different. Yup, unlike the other 7 billion people on the planet and the billions who have come and gone before us you are unique. You do not operate on real food, you have evolved beyond that to thrive on processed sugar, your tiredness is simply the next step in your evolution. What will happen now is that you will eat more and more "uncle bens" and "go ahead" bars and feel more and more sleepy until you go into a deep hibernation where you will metamorphose into a higher being. Probably one with wings.
After you awake from this sleep you will fly from flower to flower getting the sugar direct from the source via the nectar.
That is why "Spuds and broccoli" are ineffective to you because the one time you ate broccoli your body rejected the lack of sugar.

This will also affect your short term memory as it will also change because you will only need to remember where the best flower patches are.

I'm fairly sure that's what happening.

The only way to slow this change down would be learning about how your current body functions, how it uses protein, carbs and fat to provide energy to itself.

Of course you don't need to learn this stuff, cos soon you will evolve to just needing sugar. Hope it goes well for you.

Sensor

thegreatiam wrote: »

We all have excuses and lives to lead. It doesnt any longer to cook chicken and veg as it does to make oven chips and turkey twizzlers. Just plan in advance.

You have many suggestions as to what may be wrong but I feel like yo uare not interested in the advice you have been given. So I will tell you the cold truth.

You're different. Yup, unlike the other 7 billion people on the planet and the billions who have come and gone before us you are unique. You do not operate on real food, you have evolved beyond that to thrive on processed sugar, your tiredness is simply the next step in your evolution. What will happen now is that you will eat more and more "uncle bens" and "go ahead" bars and feel more and more sleepy until you go into a deep hibernation where you will metamorphose into a higher being. Probably one with wings.
After you awake from this sleep you will fly from flower to flower getting the sugar direct from the source via the nectar.
That is why "Spuds and broccoli" are ineffective to you because the one time you ate broccoli your body rejected the lack of sugar.

This will also affect your short term memory as it will also change because you will only need to remember where the best flower patches are.

I'm fairly sure that's what happening.

The only way to slow this change down would be learning about how your current body functions, how it uses protein, carbs and fat to provide energy to itself.

Of course you don't need to learn this stuff, cos soon you will evolve to just needing sugar. Hope it goes well for you.

Firstly. oven chips and turkey twizzlers can be made while someone is feeding kids and or changing nappies/ making bottles etc. Do you have kids?

Secondly i had a huge reply written and pressed post and it didnt send. Im not typing it again because its a waste of time replying to that.

I know how I feel and I see people having red bull for breakfast, crisps and coke for tea break and sausage rolls for lunch and they have no problems.

I just wanted to know if someone with gluten intolerance or knows what the start of diabetes is like could give me an insight.

I do take on everyones comments.

I know you are probably the best dietician but you are only the best for YOU. NOT THE OTHER 7 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND YES SOME OF THEM DO HAVE PROBLEMS.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

Firstly. oven chips and turkey twizzlers can be made while someone is feeding kids and or changing nappies/ making bottles etc. Do you have kids?

Eating healthy food is as easy as unhealthy food. generations of people have done it for centuries in worse conditions.

It just takes some planning and preparation.

Sensor wrote: »

I know how I feel and I see people having red bull for breakfast, crisps and coke for tea break and sausage rolls for lunch and they have no problems.

You have no idea how these people feel, or what medical issues they may be having. The may eat red bull and sweets all day then get fresh meat and veg and go training in the evening. They may lay awake all night because of fierce heartburn. You will never know how someone's diet affects them. good or bad.

Sensor wrote: »

I just wanted to know if someone with gluten intolerance or knows what the start of diabetes is like could give me an insight.

Yes, since the first post we have suggest this, also go to a professional.

Sensor wrote: »

I know you are probably the best dietician but you are only the best for YOU. NOT THE OTHER 7 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND YES SOME OF THEM DO HAVE PROBLEMS.

Im not a dietician at all, I have a mild interest in diet at best. Some teaching from high school biology and less than a few hours of internet reading.
Which is also one of the reasons I have suggested going to a dietician, or a Doctor.

BuT I also said from the start your 'healthy diet' was probably junk. And you told us, and it is all junk.
I suggested it was the low fat food, others in the forum have suggested you arent getting enough fat in your diet.

We have provided you with a solution, and you have responded with excuses.

You have the recommendation, a possible cause and possible solution and what have you done with this info?
Did you book an appointment with a dietician? did you change your shopping list?have you looked into tips for cooking healthy food for a family? Have you read any information on this forum about how your body gets energy from food? Or learn how to make a balanced diet?

Have you taken any steps towards any of these suggestions? If so what steps?

I still advise buying, cooking and eating fresh meat and veg 3+ times a day.
also going to a dietician.

If you don't want to do that don't worry about it, you will soon evolve into a butterfly.

syklops

Sensor wrote: »

Firstly. oven chips and turkey twizzlers can be made while someone is feeding kids and or changing nappies/ making bottles etc. Do you have kids?

What are you feeding the kids? Why not feed them what you eat?

Secondly i had a huge reply written and pressed post and it didnt send. Im not typing it again because its a waste of time replying to that.

Next time that happens click "Back"

I know how I feel and I see people having red bull for breakfast, crisps and coke for tea break and sausage rolls for lunch and they have no problems.

They have no current problems. A bad diet isn't like a bullet from a gun, you don't have a can of coke and suddenly get fat or suddenly get diabetes, its a slow creeping thing. Most people who develop long term illnesses get diagnosed after a long time of feeling crap, and after a very long time before that of eating crap.

I just wanted to know if someone with gluten intolerance or knows what the start of diabetes is like could give me an insight.

My girlfriend is gluten intolerant and she feels bloated, indigestiony when she's had gluten. it also makes her retain water. "What does the start of diabetes feel like?" If you thought for one minute that you had the start of diabetes then you should go to the doctor straight away.

Sensor wrote: »

I know you are probably the best dietician but you are only the best for YOU. NOT THE OTHER 7 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND YES SOME OF THEM DO HAVE PROBLEMS.

Don't shout. He was only giving his opinion.

If I think back of all the things I have eaten or drank in the past week, the only brand names were the beer i had, and the glass of Jameson last night. The amount of brands you are having in a day is an eye opener. i know for you they are convenient, but with a little planning you can have just as convenient food, for about half the price. I had to google what a fruit slice was, it turns out its a biscuit with jam in the middle. It sounds healthy to begin with but it really isn't. My quick go-to snack is boiled egg. I boil up 8-12 on a Sunday evening and leave them in the fridge, if I need a quick snack, boom, thats it. My other quick snack is either a small tin of tuna or tin of sardines. You don't even need a tin opener they all come with ring pulls. Simply open, eat, bin tin. Again, takes seconds.

Stir fries are the best invention ever. You said you don't do them, why not? For even faster preparation they will have diced beef or pork in the butchers. Fry with some oil in a very hot wok, or frying pan, add some soy sauce, or oyster sauce, and some Chinese 5 spices, move to a plate when done, then add the veg. They do stir fry packs in most super markets, and they do frozen Asian veg in the freezer aisle. Whichever one you pick simply add oil to a very hot wok, stir around for a few minutes and serve. A stir fry from fridge to plate can be done in ten minutes.

Stench Blossoms

I was waiting for the excuses to start.

Did you come here for someone to say 'keep eating the junk'?

Everyone has lives to live. Everyone has problems. I get up at 6 sometimes earlier and I don't get home until sometimes after 8. I prepare all my meals in advance and no I don't have kids but I look after my elderly granny while also working a full time job.

Sensor

thegreatiam wrote: »

Eating healthy food is as easy as unhealthy food. generations of people have done it for centuries in worse conditions.

It just takes some planning and preparation.


You have no idea how these people feel, or what medical issues they may be having. The may eat red bull and sweets all day then get fresh meat and veg and go training in the evening. They may lay awake all night because of fierce heartburn. You will never know how someone's diet affects them. good or bad.

Yes, since the first post we have suggest this, also go to a professional.


Im not a dietician at all, I have a mild interest in diet at best. Some teaching from high school biology and less than a few hours of internet reading.
Which is also one of the reasons I have suggested going to a dietician, or a Doctor.

BuT I also said from the start your 'healthy diet' was probably junk. And you told us, and it is all junk.
I suggested it was the low fat food, others in the forum have suggested you arent getting enough fat in your diet.

We have provided you with a solution, and you have responded with excuses.

You have the recommendation, a possible cause and possible solution and what have you done with this info?
Did you book an appointment with a dietician? did you change your shopping list?have you looked into tips for cooking healthy food for a family? Have you read any information on this forum about how your body gets energy from food? Or learn how to make a balanced diet?

Have you taken any steps towards any of these suggestions? If so what steps?

I still advise buying, cooking and eating fresh meat and veg 3+ times a day.
also going to a dietician.

If you don't want to do that don't worry about it, you will soon evolve into a butterfly.

I asked my work colleagues how they feel. They run about all day with smiles and not yawning like me.

I have no excuses. Im just trying to explain what I am doing and give a bit of insight.

Who feeds a 2 month old baby oven chips and twizzlers? Come on.

I have stopped eating diet/low fat stuff. Diet coke is out even tho i dont drink it often. Ive stopped drinking whiskey every night before bed. Ive been to a doctor and got blood tests, which all came back negative and liver function fine.

Im looking into gluten free diet. Ive read about paelo diet and checking the glycemic index of my food. Ive cut out white rolls and pizza as i find they make me feel worse.

A butterfly or a bee? A bee is much cooler.

Sensor

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

I was waiting for the excuses to start.

Did you come here for someone to say 'keep eating the junk'?

Everyone has lives to live. Everyone has problems. I get up at 6 sometimes earlier and I don't get home until sometimes after 8. I prepare all my meals in advance and no I don't have kids but I look after my elderly granny while also working a full time job.

Hold on, i dont eat junk! I eat a fruit slice instead of a chocolate biscuit. I eat reduced fat crisps instead of the alternative. I look for reduced fat foods. When i do eat junk occasionally, i feel better.

Wondering why that was.

Not looking for a lecture on healthy eating. ive done that, it didnt make a difference.

I think saturated fat has something to do with it and im gona research that.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

Who feeds a 2 month old baby oven chips and twizzlers? Come on.
where does it say to do that on this forum?

I have stopped eating diet/low fat stuff. Diet coke is out even tho i dont drink it often. Ive stopped drinking whiskey every night before bed. Ive been to a doctor and got blood tests, which all came back negative and liver function fine.
Good, there are more tests that can be done, but its a start. Makes it more likely that it is connected to your bad diet rather than a medical problem
Im looking into gluten free diet. Ive read about paelo diet and checking the glycemic index of my food. Ive cut out white rolls and pizza as i find they make me feel worse.
also good, like it's been mentioned you could have some sort of gluten intolerance. Even if you dont have a gluten intolerance eliminateing gluten makes a lot of people feel more energetic and alert.
A butterfly or a bee? A bee is much cooler.

Butterfly.
Bee's don't metamorphose. and all bees you see are mindless drones. bringing food back to the hive for a fat queen who squeezes out more drones. A horrible slave existence.
2 weeks in a coccon and youll feel great, flapping about the place in search of nectar and a new giant butterfly mate with huge butterjunk:
Source:
http://theinfosphere.org/The_Butterjunk_Effect

Youve made a start, now simply continue with it.
Eliminate processed food. stick to meat + veg like what your body is designed for.

Another rule of thumb when you are shopping is eat food with less than 5 ingredients, and only if you can pronounce them.

You can cook a meal one handed in less than 10 minutes if you plan and practice.

seosamh1980

Sensor wrote: »

Hold on, i dont eat junk! I eat a fruit slice instead of a chocolate biscuit. I eat reduced fat crisps instead of the alternative. I look for reduced fat foods. When i do eat junk occasionally, i feel better.

Eh, yes you do. Uncle Bens, Mash Direct pots, fruit slice, everything highlighted by thegreatiam are junk food. I don't even know what Mash Direct is but anything that comes in a pot to be heated for lunch falls in the junk food category. They're not real food.

Sensor

seosamh1980 wrote: »

Eh, yes you do. Uncle Bens, Mash Direct pots, fruit slice, everything highlighted by thegreatiam are junk food. I don't even know what Mash Direct is but anything that comes in a pot to be heated for lunch falls in the junk food category. They're not real food.

Mash Direct http://www.mashdirect.com/

Its steamed carrot and parsnip or potatoes and u just ding it in the microwave for 2 mins and its supposed to be a healthy lunch.

Uncle bens rice doesnt seem that unhealthy?? Its boiled rice with a sugary sauce. From a fat point of view its a great alternative to pot noodles or a cheesy wrap i thought? True or not?

Sensor

thegreatiam wrote: »

Emmett has said it already but everything in bold is processed, nutrient free and full of sugar. You don't have a good diet that's probably why you feel crap.

Stop buying microwave ready meals, they are possibly the worst thing for you, as are the "healthy biscuits" like go ahead etc.
You are a perfect example of an advertisers dream. You only eat the stuff they tell you is good for you with no application of logic. Stop listening to the adverts, they really do not care if you are healthy only that you buy their products not something actually good for you .

Eat real food. limit your spuds.
the basic rule of thumb is the more healthy it says it is on the packet, the faster you should walk past it in the isle.

Here is what you need to do. (go to a doctor/or dietician)

Go to a butcher, buy your meat there. chicken, turkey, beef pork etc, only the meat, no sauces, not pre stuffed just the meat.
go to a grocer and fill a bag with veg, 2 bags if you can.
Buy bright colored veg and leafy greens.
get some eggs too.

For breakfast eat eggs and meat and veg.

for dinner, eat meat and 3 types of veg,
for tea, eat meat and 3 types of veg
for a snack, eat an egg, some meat or some veg or all 3

Do that for a month and if you still feel tired ill eat my hat. (provided your DR says there is nothing else wrong with you.

I thought theses days the adverts had to be true. Also with what they put on the packets has to be true? Is that not correct?

I do go to a butcher every week and but fresh plain meat.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

Mash Direct http://www.mashdirect.com/

Its steamed carrot and parsnip or potatoes and u just ding it in the microwave for 2 mins and its supposed to be a healthy lunch.

Uncle bens rice doesnt seem that unhealthy?? Its boiled rice with a sugary sauce. From a fat point of view its a great alternative to pot noodles or a cheesy wrap i thought? True or not?

most definitely not
You are answering your own questions.


What do you mean from a fat point of view? low fat does not mean good for you. infact it means the opposite.

Your body needs fat, or you will not function correctly. You are proof of that.

Seriously, you need to learn about what good food is. read the stickies.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54097419&postcount=2

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

I thought theses days the adverts had to be true. Also with what they put on the packets has to be true? Is that not correct?

I do go to a butcher every week and but fresh plain meat.

adverts have to be true, but they dont have to be honest.

for example.
My cereal, we'll call it everybran.

Everybran contains whole wheat: true.
Every bran contains no addittives: true
Everybran contains preservatives: true.
Everybran can help you feel full:true
every bran can help slimming as part of a calorie controlled diet: true
Everybran should be part of a healthy breakfast:True

Now read between the lines:

Everybran contains whole wheat: so what? how much wholewheat? Do i even need wholewheat?.
Every bran contains no addittives: and? it also contains no dragon liver
Everybran contains preservatives: ditto
Everybran can help you feel full: so can 1 kg of rocks.
every bran can help slimming as part of a calorie controlled diet: also true for 1kg of rocks.
Everybran should be part of a healthy breakfast: of course they want everybran part of a healthy breakfast.

Its advertising, as long as they don't make black and white statements like everybran will cure your insomnia they can say pretty much what ever they like.

seosamh1980

And I forgot about the Turkey Twizzlers. Tell me, what bit of the turkey is its twizzler??7

Edit: Sorry I thought these were mentioned in your diet, they were just used to make a point, ignore

Sensor

seosamh1980 wrote: »

And I forgot about the Turkey Twizzlers. Tell me, what bit of the turkey is its twizzler??

The healthy part, or so the box says and the TV advert! Lol

Sensor

thegreatiam wrote: »

most definitely not
You are answering your own questions.


What do you mean from a fat point of view? low fat does not mean good for you. infact it means the opposite.

Your body needs fat, or you will not function correctly. You are proof of that.

Seriously, you need to learn about what good food is. read the stickies.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54097419&postcount=2

I will do. I'm thinking now its to do with fat. I've been avoiding it so much with the benecol and low fat junk.

Oryx

Sensor wrote: »

Hold on, i dont eat junk! I eat a fruit slice instead of a chocolate biscuit. I eat reduced fat crisps instead of the alternative. I look for reduced fat foods. When i do eat junk occasionally, i feel better.

The point youre missing is that your replacements for junk are still really not good. If you check out the nutritional values they are sometimes worse than what they replace. Crisps are overprocessed no value food regardless of what it says on the packet.

You feel better temporarily because you have fed your sugar addiction.

Not looking for a lecture on healthy eating. ive done that, it didnt make a difference.

Have you really? For how long? Your knowledge of what constitutes good food seems patchy, so maybe what you considered healthy eating actually wasnt.

You keep mentioning illnesses and intolerances, when a) you should see a doctor if you think something is really wrong and b) you should try the months healty eating as recommended by thegreatiam, and THEN see if you still want to try a restricted diet of some kind.

You are what you eat. Right now you are eating too much packet food, and your body is suffering for it.

Also, scrambled eggs or a stirfry are as quick to cook as a microwave meal. You are not lacking time, you are lacking knowledge of how to cook easy stuff fast. Get that knowledge and your diet will improve vastly.

syklops

Sensor wrote: »

Hold on, i dont eat junk! I eat a fruit slice instead of a chocolate biscuit. I eat reduced fat crisps instead of the alternative. I look for reduced fat foods. When i do eat junk occasionally, i feel better.

You don't eat a fruit slice, you eat a Fruit Slice(TM) . If you had a real slice of fruit that would be healthy. The Fruit Slice is no better than a chocolate bar.

Not looking for a lecture on healthy eating. ive done that, it didnt make a difference.

You've done your perception of healthy eating. Its not the same.

Its steamed carrot and parsnip or potatoes and u just ding it in the microwave for 2 mins and its supposed to be a healthy lunch.

My father always says, you never ask a barber whether you need a haircut. According to Mash Direct's marketeers, its a healthy lunch. Just looked online, according to the nutritional information one serving is 100grammes and is only 38 calories. Calorie wise thats half a boiled egg. You have that as your lunch?

Uncle bens rice doesnt seem that unhealthy?? Its boiled rice with a sugary sauce. From a fat point of view its a great alternative to pot noodles or a cheesy wrap i thought? True or not?

Fat. You seem fixated on fat. You don't get fat from eating fat. In eastern europe it is common to spread pork fat on bread the way we do with butter. Its actually very tasty and
great for keeping energy up during the cold winter(that reminds me, I must make some). The rice thing is not a great alternative to a pot noodle. It is a pot noodle only with rice instead of noodle. Just because Uncle Bens friendly face is on the front does not make it healthy.

I used to get terrible 4pm slump. Couldn't keep my eyelids open until going home time. I figured out the high carb lunch i was having was the problem, sucking all my energy. Now I have a leafy green salad, a boiled egg, and full fat mayo, and I've not had a slump in months. In fact the last time I did it was because I went out for lunch and had the carvery roast which involved a lot of roast potatoes and mash.

thegreatiam

syklops wrote: »

In eastern europe it is common to spread pork fat on bread the way we do with butter. Its actually very tasty and
great for keeping energy up during the cold winter

Was common here (and uk) and I assume US too until a few years ago.
Probably stopped being common place around the time margarine manufacturers started advertising. Weird.

johnny_adidas

Could it be something as simple as not getting enough water on board throughout the day? (had a quick search through the thread but didnt notice you saying how much you drink other than some juice and fizzy water.)

Sensor

johnny_adidas wrote: »

Could it be something as simple as not getting enough water on board throughout the day? (had a quick search through the thread but didnt notice you saying how much you drink other than some juice and fizzy water.)

Hi Johnny,

I drink a lot of fizzy water. Does anyone know if this is any way detrimental to health? I read that they used to think it took calcuim out of your system but i think this was rebuffed some years ago.

I would normally keep an eye on my hydration levels when im goin to the toilet and adjust. Except for when im busy in work and i can go all day without drinking any water.

Sensor

syklops wrote: »

You don't eat a fruit slice, you eat a Fruit Slice(TM) . If you had a real slice of fruit that would be healthy. The Fruit Slice is no better than a chocolate bar.






You've done your perception of healthy eating. Its not the same.






My father always says, you never ask a barber whether you need a haircut. According to Mash Direct's marketeers, its a healthy lunch. Just looked online, according to the nutritional information one serving is 100grammes and is only 38 calories. Calorie wise thats half a boiled egg. You have that as your lunch?



Fat. You seem fixated on fat. You don't get fat from eating fat. In eastern europe it is common to spread pork fat on bread the way we do with butter. Its actually very tasty and
great for keeping energy up during the cold winter(that reminds me, I must make some). The rice thing is not a great alternative to a pot noodle. It is a pot noodle only with rice instead of noodle. Just because Uncle Bens friendly face is on the front does not make it healthy.

I used to get terrible 4pm slump. Couldn't keep my eyelids open until going home time. I figured out the high carb lunch i was having was the problem, sucking all my energy. Now I have a leafy green salad, a boiled egg, and full fat mayo, and I've not had a slump in months. In fact the last time I did it was because I went out for lunch and had the carvery roast which involved a lot of roast potatoes and mash.

Would vitamin suppliments make up for some of the healthy food i dont eat?

The sleepy thing is when i eat lunch, ten minutes later my eyes close. Once i fell asleep on a chair while talking in my parents house after having tea and biscuits.

High carbs and low fat intake may be the answer.

Also is there anything non-healthy about a plain chicken subway with all the veg they have??

seosamh1980

Would you not just eat the relevant foods instead of taking supplements and eating crap?

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

Would vitamin suppliments make up for some of the healthy food i dont eat?

supplements are there to supplement your diet.
If you have a bad diet then youll be supplementing a bad diet.
fix the diet first. then worry about supplements.

Sensor wrote: »

The sleepy thing is when i eat lunch, ten minutes later my eyes close. Once i fell asleep on a chair while talking in my parents house after having tea and biscuits.

maybe youre parents are borning. Maybe its because you have small kids and dont get much sleep.

Sensor wrote: »

High carbs and low fat intake may be the answer.

you need fat. end of. start eating more fat.

Sensor wrote: »

Also is there anything non-healthy about a plain chicken subway with all the veg they have??

yes. First, its usually processed meat.
chicken in slices like this is re constituted. basically they take a load of chicken carcasses blast them with a hose to get the remains of the meat of, squish all that meat up and call it chicken breast, slice it and serve.
There is no veg in a subway sandwich. it's all salad.

No there isnt anything really wrong with salad, but you need veg.

Plus the bread is pretty bad for you. eating wheat can cause your symptoms.

Stop trying to look for shortcuts, there aren't any. eat real meat, eat real veg, eat real dairy. there is nothing simpler than that.

syklops

Sensor wrote: »

Would vitamin suppliments make up for some of the healthy food i dont eat?

You could take a vitamin supplement, but its more fun to have varied tasty food.

The sleepy thing is when i eat lunch, ten minutes later my eyes close. Once i fell asleep on a chair while talking in my parents house after having tea and biscuits.

I reckon thats because you are eating 100g of mashed potato and parsnip which despite its density is only 38 calories.

High carbs and low fat intake may be the answer.

Could be.

Also is there anything non-healthy about a plain chicken subway with all the veg they have??

Subway get some stick but there is worse you could be having. In your case though where you get sleepy after lunch, I'd suggest a salad instead. A subway sub has a lot of bread in it to process which can lead to the drowsy symptoms. A basic chicken sub is a thin piece of chicken, lettuce and then a big chunk of bread. Its like the mashed potato, its filler. You need more protein, and more healthy fats.

Sensor

syklops wrote: »

You could take a vitamin supplement, but its more fun to have varied tasty food.



I reckon thats because you are eating 100g of mashed potato and parsnip which despite its density is only 38 calories.



Could be.



Subway get some stick but there is worse you could be having. In your case though where you get sleepy after lunch, I'd suggest a salad instead. A subway sub has a lot of bread in it to process which can lead to the drowsy symptoms. A basic chicken sub is a thin piece of chicken, lettuce and then a big chunk of bread. Its like the mashed potato, its filler. You need more protein, and more healthy fats.

Ok so today i ditched a low fat bachelors noodle chicken pot thing and went to a sandwich shop and got a fresh chicken wrap with salad and a little cajun sauce. I ate my go ahead yoghurt slices because it was either that or a bar of choc form the sandwich place.

For the past 20 mins ive felt "gittery". My hands are sort of shakey like ive had a lot of caffeine but im not feeling tired - yet. I know from experience from this point on i just get more and more tired and this is just some sort of sugar high.

Is this normal I ask you? I work mostly at a desk but im always running back and forth across a yard every 10- 15 mins to get my orders!

Sensor

Oryx wrote: »

The point youre missing is that your replacements for junk are still really not good. If you check out the nutritional values they are sometimes worse than what they replace. Crisps are overprocessed no value food regardless of what it says on the packet.

You feel better temporarily because you have fed your sugar addiction.


Have you really? For how long? Your knowledge of what constitutes good food seems patchy, so maybe what you considered healthy eating actually wasnt.

You keep mentioning illnesses and intolerances, when a) you should see a doctor if you think something is really wrong and b) you should try the months healty eating as recommended by thegreatiam, and THEN see if you still want to try a restricted diet of some kind.

You are what you eat. Right now you are eating too much packet food, and your body is suffering for it.

Also, scrambled eggs or a stirfry are as quick to cook as a microwave meal. You are not lacking time, you are lacking knowledge of how to cook easy stuff fast. Get that knowledge and your diet will improve vastly.

I will try the months healthy eating but as far as eating good food, compared to other people i know, live and work with, i get a totally different reaction to the same foods. For example my partner, we eat the same for dinner. Sometimes she skips lunch altogether and other times she has a salty cuppa soup. She doesnt feel like i do at all.

I will try more stirfrys and scrambled eggs but i used to do all that and then gave up because i still felt the same so whats the point!

Stench Blossoms

You are not the same as your husband. Just because he doesn't get a reaction doesn't mean anything.

No two people are the same.

Go to a dietitian. You have a warped idea of what healthy food is and although you are trying, you probably are one of these people that just need things planned out for them. There's nothing wrong with this but I suggest you do this for your own benefit.

thegreatiam

Sensor wrote: »

Ok so today i ditched a low fat bachelors noodle chicken pot thing and went to a sandwich shop and got a fresh chicken wrap with salad and a little cajun sauce. I ate my go ahead yoghurt slices because it was either that or a bar of choc form the sandwich place.

For the past 20 mins ive felt "gittery". My hands are sort of shakey like ive had a lot of caffeine but im not feeling tired - yet. I know from experience from this point on i just get more and more tired and this is just some sort of sugar high.

Is this normal I ask you? I work mostly at a desk but im always running back and forth across a yard every 10- 15 mins to get my orders!

so basically replaced one type of junk food for another and expected different results.
What veg did you have? what fats?
basically none, and only a tiny bit of protein. and followed it up with processed sugar.

Seriously. Go to a dietician.

Sensor

thegreatiam wrote: »

so basically replaced one type of junk food for another and expected different results.
What veg did you have? what fats?
basically none, and only a tiny bit of protein. and followed it up with processed sugar.

Seriously. Go to a dietician.

What would you have for lunch at work as an example? Something that you dont have to be gordon ramsey to make hopefully