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Galway GAA discussion thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Waterford at home is lucky. Was looking like a Kildare game for a minute.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    Waterford at home is lucky. Was looking like a Kildare game for a minute.

    Good draw for Galway alright.

    God help them if they win though and they enter a draw with the teams who will be in the next round!

    But hopefully they will win. Most of these players have experienced very few championship wins and a couple of wins could bring them on a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Ye lucky buckeens. One more good draw and ye're sure to get London in R4. The spirit of '98.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Syferus wrote: »
    Ye lucky buckeens. One more good draw and ye're sure to get London in R4. The spirit of '98.

    As opposed to 01 where we got basically the hardest draw every step of the way. After some of the draws and decisions we've had in qualifier matches over the years, a bit of luck was well due. It wasn't as if the quality coming out of the losing provincial semi finals was high, there was every chance of an easy draw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭porterbelly


    Yes. It is somewhat strange that the 'qualifier' side of the draw is probably stronger than the provinical semis this year. I think Galway have a chance against all those teams except Down (and probably Kildare too).



    Who are your alternatives? Keith Kelly at number 6 failed. According to Mulholland, Duane was injured for yesterdays game. So who would you have played at number 6?

    Duane at 3 and Hanley at 6 if both fit. Duane is brilliant in the air, he's susceptible at 6 when there's players running at him as Cathal Cregg showed last year v the Rossies. He can read the game well and would be perfect at full back. Hanley at 6 can cover Duane if there's a pacy lad put on him, sit in front and mind the house.


    2. Joss Moore 3. Duane 4. Cathal Sweeney 5. Doherty 6. Hanley 7. Doherty

    2 pacy wing backs who can score, Sweeney is tough and we need lads like him in the team who'll walk down on top of their man if they have to.

    8. Flynn 9. Conroy

    O Curraoin imo will never be up to the riguors of inter county football. Way too soft, no real fire to him and he doesn't have anything in his locker other than winning high ball, and he didn't even win any of them against Mayo. It may seem premature to say this but that's what I've always felt about him and nothing he has done suggests otherwise. The Galway media and subsequently the Irish media have billed him to be a superstar, way out of proportion. Saw him for his club v Salthill/Knock and 2 lads in their mid 30's Boylan and Tierney (a hurler) lorded it. He was given mom v Cork in the 21's when there was at least 5 Galway lads better than him. Perhaps a coincedence that it was a Connemara man who gave it to him.

    Flynn has alot more ability, he has a big engine and can also kick a score or 2. Won't see the best of him until he fills out but he's still a better option than what's there

    10. Cathal Mulryan 11. Shane Walsh 12. Eoin Concannon

    Mulryan gets up and down the field better than any half forward in the county and every team needs a player like him. He also has the added benefit of being able to kick scores off both feet, as he's shown for Cortoon and the u21's. Shane Walsh is the biggest young talent in Galway and has to play. At 11 he can roam around and run at people. Concannon is a big strong lad who can also drop back if needed and has a lovely left peg.

    13. Cummins 14. Meehan 15. Patrick Sweeney

    Cummins and Meehan pick themselves. Sweeney is a powerhouse, he has had alot of injuries but throw him in around the house and he'll do damage against anyone. Sure to frighten a few defenders


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    You really hate Seán Armstrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Agree (a bit) about Fiontáin, there's nothing special about him. I've seen him cleaned out in many a club match by players who weren't even U-21 panelists. If he does develop into a top class inter-county midf I'd very surprised. His passing range is average, but he is able to kick points given the opportunity. He's in a fortunate position in that there is such a lack of midfielders in this county.
    Not quite sure about Flynn as well, for a start, I don't think anyone knows his best position. He used to be a full forward, but he definitely isn't an inter-county standard ff. He's now regarded as a wing forward, but I think he sees himself as more of a midfielder, which is probably where I'd have him.

    I just can't believe that out of 2 AI winning U-21 teams we haven't got a midfielder. I look to other counties like Cork and Kildare, and they seem to have an abundance of players capable of playing midfield. Never mind yer no. 6, until midfield is sorted we aren't going anywhere fast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Thinking back to that 98 win, it's not the first time people have said we got an easy time of things draw wise etc. Micko made a big deal of it once. And thinking about it again, it really couldn't be more wrong.

    Away to Mayo in the first round was probably the toughest draw anyone in the country couldve gotten. Roscommon went on to run us closer than anyone. Once in the semi final, there were 3 other sides, two of which we beat comprehensively. So the only leg to stand on with that argument was that we avoided Kerry, who at the time were a flawed side dependant on Maurice Fitzgearld. Kildare were much better that year, shown by the hammering they gave Kerry in the semi final. It's actually a ridiculous argument, i'm surprised I haven't or I haven't heard others question it before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Stanza2


    Have to say that I agree with Porterbelly mostly. I would only bring Shane Walsh on as a sub tho, too early to throw him in at centre half forward, would stick with Army for this campaign, however long it lasts !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    FOC is a better player than Flynn.

    I'm amazed anyone could write off a key player on a two-time U21 AI-winning side at the ripe old age of 21 and not burst out laughing at the sheer inanity of what they'd just said.* Some of the stuff typed by people on internet forums about young players remind me of the sort of ****e Simon Cowell or Louis Walsh would come out with on a talent show.


    *Just to be clear, I'm referring specifically to porterbelly's comments.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭porterbelly


    Syferus wrote: »
    FOC is a better player than Flynn.

    I'm amazed anyone could write off a key player on a two-time U21 AI-winning side at the ripe old age of 21 and not burst out laughing at the sheer inanity of what they'd just said.* Some of the stuff typed by people on internet forums about young players remind me of the sort of ****e Simon Cowell or Louis Walsh would come out with on a talent show.


    *Just to be clear, I'm referring specifically to porterbelly's comments.

    Time will tell

    But I know from playing against him and seeing him play even at club level that I wouldn't want him on my team if there was a 50/50 ball to be won or if the game was in the melting pot. At senior level, even at club, physically he's completely out of his depth on most occasions. Maybe he'll fill out but to me he hasn't got the bit of nastiness or bite that can drive a team on. That's what Galway are missing, lads who can pick things up when the chips are down, be it throwing over a score or burying someone with a shoulder.

    The media have him way overhyped in Galway and it seems to have fooled alot of people. Flynn is a far superior player. Once he gets over his injuries he will cement his place in the team. He's a midfielder, not a wing forward or full forward, always was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭porterbelly


    You really hate Seán Armstrong.

    My prediction was that he's play well against Tipp ( a division 4 team) and kick a few scores, and that he'll probably do the same against Waterford (also a division 4 team), but maybe in the next round if we get a Derry/Down/Tyrone/Kildare, Army will disappear. He'll be mad looking for the ball in the games where we have it handy and throwing over great scores but as soon as our backs are against the wall he'll fold.

    I hope he proves me wrong but the evidence from the last 5/6 years tells me otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Time will tell

    But I know from playing against him and seeing him play even at club level that I wouldn't want him on my team if there was a 50/50 ball to be won or if the game was in the melting pot. At senior level, even at club, physically he's completely out of his depth on most occasions. Maybe he'll fill out but to me he hasn't got the bit of nastiness or bite that can drive a team on. That's what Galway are missing, lads who can pick things up when the chips are down, be it throwing over a score or burying someone with a shoulder.

    The media have him way overhyped in Galway and it seems to have fooled alot of people. Flynn is a far superior player. Once he gets over his injuries he will cement his place in the team. He's a midfielder, not a wing forward or full forward, always was.

    He obviously need to bulk up but few players come out of U21 not needing to. What's remarkable about FOC is his ability to field high ball (a rarer art than some might assume for a midfielder) and his movement in open space, he causes havoc in defences when he carries the ball at them. Wouldn't agree that he's only an average passer, in fact I'd say he has a good eye for a pass. Galway flew in the first half of this year's U21 Connacht final because of him and when we adjusted and isolated him out of the game (Flynn wasn't playing and he had little support so it was very possible to do) Galway fell to pieces in the second half. He was the fulcrum of the team, without him that forward line would have been starved of ball this year.

    For me he all the pieces to become a mainstay of Galway's midfield if he sets himself the task of working on his conditioning over the next two or three years.

    Don't know what to make of Flynn right now, his injury masked his talent for much of the spring and it's hard to be harsh on his performances as a result.

    Both are worthy prospects for any county to have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    Army put in the hardest shift against Mayo, top 3 side in Ireland. Was very surprised he was taken off. He was a half-back after Bradshaw acted the tit. I think it's a rather one-eyed notion these days that Army hides. He's as good a player as we have, with the exception of Meehan when he busts out some flickers of greatness. I'll agree with you that he has in the past been a selfish player who wasted a lot of great chances but that's well over a year ago at this stage. He operates more defensively than I think you're willing to give him credit for. If push comes to shove against the bigger sides and you think he's gone up I guarantee you there'll be a handful of fellow Galwegians missing.

    I don't really like to speak against a young lad with a lot of time to prove me wrong but Tom Flynn so far has been a man to go missing if you're going to point out particular players. That said he has a decade plus to grow into an intercounty player. I dunno what you have against FOC but he absolutely dominated a great Cork side in midfield. If not for his showing there wouldn't have been the standout showings from Mulryan, Ian Burke and Walsh. I've been involved in complete drubbings against MB's at club level. As you said yourself there's time to fill out physically. Give the lad a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Both Flynn and O'Currain are about as good a pair of prospects we've had since Meehan and Armstrong first broke through. I think it's ludicrious to slate either of them at the age of 20/21. I personally think Flynn will make a colossal player because I've seen a lot of the football ability he has, and think when he fills out into a midfielder physique it'll be the full package. O'Currain has great ability in the air at the moment, and looks an intelligent footballer and will also find his feet. The last player to be parachuted into a Galway lineup at age 19 (as these two were) was Michael Meehan, and he mixed the good with 'going missing' for a fair few years. Flynn especially does a lot of unseen work and I dont think it's fair to say he goes missing. Naviety at the top level for sure.

    @THFC, out of 2 u-21 winning years we've had the exact same midfield partnership. Both are under 21 and both are excellent prospects. Any player that can dominate Aidan Walsh at age 19 (Flynn), and an entire Cork midfield in a final (O'Currain) have serious ability.

    Re Armstrong...from 05-2010 when we had some classy forwards (Meehan, Joyce x2, Savage), it was fair to question whether we could put up with Armstrongs inconsistency in search of the odd day when he's brilliant. Nowadays, even on a poor day he's better than most we have. This is the same ludicrous crap from unknowledgeable supporters. 'Drop Army, our best forward this past 2 games'. 'Drop Hanley, our best player for 3 years'. 'U21's AI winner have no intercounty future at age 21'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    1 Manus Breathnach

    2 Colin Forde

    3 Finian Hanley

    4 Johnny Duane

    5 Conor Doherty

    6 Gary O’Donnell

    7 Gary Sice

    8 Paul Conroy

    9 Greg Higgins

    10 John O’Brien

    11 Sean Armstrong

    12 Michael Farragher

    13 Mark Hehir

    14 Michael Meehan

    15 Danny Cummins

    16 Tom Healy

    17 Donal O’Neill

    18 Declan Kyne

    19 Keith Kelly

    20 Fiontan Ó Curraoin

    21 Thomas Flynn

    22 Michael Martin

    23 Shane Walsh

    24 Seán Denvir

    25 Ronan Steede

    26 David O’Connell


    Good to see Duane back. Didn't think anybody had a bad game though so the team picks itself. Hopefully they'll have lost some of the rustiness from last week. Would be lovely to have two wins this weekend.

    Also I know they aren't playing Tyrone or Kildare by any means but I think it's great that U-16's are free in. Can't argue with terrace for €10 either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MfMan




    Good to see Duane back. Didn't think anybody had a bad game though so the team picks itself. Hopefully they'll have lost some of the rustiness from last week. Would be lovely to have two wins this weekend.

    Also I know they aren't playing Tyrone or Kildare by any means but I think it's great that U-16's are free in. Can't argue with terrace for €10 either.

    On the one hand true, but if there was ever a c'ship game to experiment in, next Saturday's is it. I know it doesn't help with settling a team, but it might have been a good time to try another couple of players, particularly in the forwards, to see if any of the panel would stake a claim to a starting jersey. No disrespect to Waterford, but if Galway win Saturday, the harder tests start then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭spiritcrusher


    I reckon he's gone with that team as they're probably not fully confident in themselves again after the Mayo game. There's really no game that can be taken for granted now, even Waterford, and the management know that. The biggest surprise for me is that Greg Higgins retained his spot, thought he was a bit of a liability last week. He literally ran around in a circle with the ball two or three times when the game was still tight. Won't get away with that for much longer. FOC still not being fully match fit is the reason I'd imagine he's on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    MfMan wrote: »
    On the one hand true, but if there was ever a c'ship game to experiment in, next Saturday's is it. I know it doesn't help with settling a team, but it might have been a good time to try another couple of players, particularly in the forwards, to see if any of the panel would stake a claim to a starting jersey. No disrespect to Waterford, but if Galway win Saturday, the harder tests start then.

    Championship is not a time to be 'experimenting'.

    To be honest, I am not sure many of those subs really would improve the team anyway. Maybe Walsh, maybe Martin but thats it really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    I kinda agree with MfMan. I don't think there's a massive gulf in quality between your O'Briens/Fordes and the subs bench in fairness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    Has the hurling team being named yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭InchicoreDude


    I kinda agree with MfMan. I don't think there's a massive gulf in quality between your O'Briens/Fordes and the subs bench in fairness.

    But O'Brien & Forde dont have much championship experience. Dropping them wouldnt make any sense as the only way they can get experience is to play them.

    I dont think there is a big gulf between them and the bench either. But you are not going to improve the likes of Forde / O'brien by dropping them a week after they have won a champipnship match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    AngeGal wrote: »
    Has the hurling team being named yet?

    tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    The Official 100% team that will absolutely definitely line out as planned.

    1 James Skehill
    2 Fergal Moore
    3 Kevin Hynes
    4 Johnny Coen
    5 David Collins
    6 Shane Kavanagh
    7 Joseph Cooney
    8 Iarla Tannian
    9 James Regan
    10 David Burke
    11 Conor Cooney
    12 Cyril Donnellan
    13 David Glennon
    14 Joe Canning
    15 Niall Burke

    So as it stands you have Donoghue, Smith, Hayes, Harte on the bench. Can see David Burke being in midfield alright, not so sure about Regan. Big opportunity for Joe Cooney to prove himself.*

    *Post may be absolute bollocks by 3:55pm on Sunday


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Official 100% team that will absolutely definitely line out as planned.

    1 James Skehill
    2 Fergal Moore
    3 Kevin Hynes
    4 Johnny Coen
    5 David Collins
    6 Shane Kavanagh
    7 Joseph Cooney
    8 Iarla Tannian
    9 James Regan
    10 David Burke
    11 Conor Cooney
    12 Cyril Donnellan
    13 David Glennon
    14 Joe Canning
    15 Niall Burke

    So as it stands you have Donoghue, Smith, Hayes, Harte on the bench. Can see David Burke being in midfield alright, not so sure about Regan. Big opportunity for Joe Cooney to prove himself.*

    *Post may be absolute bollocks by 3:55pm on Sunday

    I think Regan will start midfield personally. He's done well in albeit in clubs games in the past. I think he will be well suited to midfield.

    I really like the look of this team and outside Niall Donaghue for Joesph Cooney that would be the team I would have picked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MfMan


    It's taken them a league campaign and 1 round of c'ship to decide that Kavanagh appears to be the best bet for CHB. If Joe Cooney wasn't good enough to be no. 6, he's hardly any better at no. 7. Harte probably would have started somewhere only for injury concerns I'd say. Regan like the rest of the St Tom's lads is hot and cold; being centrally involved may suit him better or he may disappear altogether. Forwards as they're selected are actually near enough to what I would pick, swap Tannian with David Burke. Smith correctly not selected, too undisciplined for one thing. Of course, that's all assuming they play to position anyway.

    Galway have the experience but Dublin have determination and momentum and at 5/2 are good odds.


  • Posts: 6,455 [Deleted User]


    MfMan wrote: »
    It's taken them a league campaign and 1 round of c'ship to decide that Kavanagh appears to be the best bet for CHB. If Joe Cooney wasn't good enough to be no. 6, he's hardly any better at no. 7. Harte probably would have started somewhere only for injury concerns I'd say. Regan like the rest of the St Tom's lads is hot and cold; being centrally involved may suit him better or he may disappear altogether. Forwards as they're selected are actually near enough to what I would pick, swap Tannian with David Burke. Smith correctly not selected, too undisciplined for one thing. Of course, that's all assuming they play to position anyway.

    Galway have the experience but Dublin have determination and momentum and at 5/2 are good odds.

    I agree on Cooney, there's been nothing but talk on the major forum since the first league game about where to stick him.... put him midfield, CB, CF.
    I think most of the older fans are blinded by his namesake father tbh, change his name to Joe Mooney and he wouldn't have had as much support from the fans thus far(maybe AC's the same?, I'm sure he's JC's buddy).
    He's a bit of a utility player, not bad in a few positions but not very good either.... his striking isn't good enough for the high end of the field, only remember him scoring 1 shot from 7-10 in the league this year.

    As for Regan, I hope that's a late change as I don't really fancy him tbh.
    He's got the physique for midfield anyway, just don't think his striking or ball winning is good enough.
    He's probably the polar opposite of Smyth. Softer but with better striking. Hopefully we'll see B.Daly in this position in the near future.

    I think the most fortunate is Conor Cooney though.
    He's barely scored a point since the Offaly game, I don't know why he can't transfer his club form to county(maybe confidence issues?, as in might not have many friends in the county squad so finds it harder to play to his ability).
    He couldn't even put a shift in against Laois, think he's been given far too much leeway.

    Anyway if the 3 start I hope they prove me wrong as we won't be able to carry all three.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MfMan



    I think the most fortunate is Conor Cooney though.
    He's barely scored a point since the Offaly game, I don't know why he can't transfer his club form to county(maybe confidence issues?, as in might not have many friends in the county squad so finds it harder to play to his ability).
    He couldn't even put a shift in against Laois, think he's been given far too much leeway.

    Anyway if the 3 start I hope they prove me wrong as we won't be able to carry all three.

    Of the 3 you mention though, I would have most time for Conor Cooney. He's still ridiculously young (U-21 for this year and next?) and his performance against Loughiel in the drawn club semi' was the best I've seen from a Galway hurler this year; really looked like a man that would stand up and be counted that evening. It's this standard that I judge him by.


  • Posts: 6,455 [Deleted User]


    MfMan wrote: »
    Of the 3 you mention though, I would have most time for Conor Cooney. He's still ridiculously young (U-21 for this year and next?) and his performance against Loughiel in the drawn club semi' was the best I've seen from a Galway hurler this year; really looked like a man that would stand up and be counted that evening. It's this standard that I judge him by.

    Agree that he's the most talented.

    And I agree on his form for St.Thomas' in this years Club as I alluded to that in my post wondering if it's a confidence issue.

    But on county form, he has been given the most chances without much of a return.

    I think he may be a bit younger than the other two but only by a year, if his wiki page is to believed, he's 22 this October.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭porterbelly


    Agree that he's the most talented.

    And I agree on his form for St.Thomas' in this years Club as I alluded to that in my post wondering if it's a confidence issue.

    But on county form, he has been given the most chances without much of a return.

    I think he may be a bit younger than the other two but only by a year, if his wiki page is to believed, he's 22 this October.

    That's a mistake, he's still 20, 21 in October

    He is being cut slack but to be fair, he is the best forward in the club championship for 2 years and hopefully soon he can transfer that into county form. He seems to lack confidence but fingers crossed that will come with experience. The other side of the coin is who could be put in instead of him? Options aren't that plentiful. Training has a big bearing on Cunningham's selections, by all accounts they've been going at it hell for leather so I trust that Cunningham is putting out a team that he sees performing in Kenny Park during the week.


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