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Welsh Lions: Brian O'Driscoll dropped from the 23 for 3rd Test [MOD NOTE POST 1]

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    #992
    Micky Dolenz
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    Even as Ronan is retired. I do love how he always gets a mention.


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    #993
    Almaviva
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    bilston wrote: »
    Come on man pull yourself together!

    Thanks.
    I made an effort this evening - watched some BOD greatest hits on Youtube. They did cheer me up a little, but as each one finished, Gatland came to mind again, and a tear rolled down my cheek.


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    #994
    Micky Dolenz
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    Almaviva wrote: »
    Thanks.
    I made an effort this evening - watched some BOD greatest hits on Youtube. They did cheer me up a little, but as each one finished, Gatland came to mind again, and a tear rolled down my cheek.


    He'll play again next season, you'll have plenty of new highlights to watch. :D


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    #995
    Chabals Beard
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    Seriously looking forward to the reception the Welsh boys receive at the Aviva in the 6N.


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    #996
    Superbus
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    Chabals Beard wrote: »
    Seriously looking forward to the reception the Welsh boys receive at the Aviva in the 6N.

    It'll be fine, doubt anyone has any real qualms with the Welsh players themselves (it's not Davies fault he's been picked ahead of the embodiment of our nation's hopes and dreams). Gatland will get the brunt of any abuse.


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    #997
    VinLieger
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    Rumours floating around on twitter that Tuilagi might be injured with a hamstring strain


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    #998
    ThisRegard
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    Mahatma Geansai wrote: »
    Speaking of ROG, I wonder if there is much overlap between the people in uproar now about BOD and the people who were ridiculing those who were in a similar place when ROG was dropped during the 6N.

    Big difference. There was a better form player at the time to step into his place.


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    #999
    Superbus
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    Rumours floating around on twitter that Tuilagi might be injured with a hamstring strain

    bb1.jpg

    Convenient.


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    #1000
    Howjoe1
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    rumours growing that Tuilagi might not be fit. If so, I reckon he'll add Cuthbert.


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    #1001
    .ak
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    I have to say, I've enjoyed the outrage in the forum. It's mostly faux outrage and tongue firmly in cheek. I think some people are missing that tho...


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    #1002
    marienbad
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    Piliger wrote: »
    I simply do not accept your main point. There is NO case to be made for dropping the best centre, the best attacking centre and the best defending centre in the home countries at the very least. Simply no case. I have not seen anyone make such a case in any convincing way, and it has nothing to do with green glasses. I for one thought BOD was finished two years ago but he has proved me wrong and come back to the top of the game. Not for bish bash bosh or any other style of rugby.

    As for supporting the Lions, I find your logic bizarre. I won't support the Aussies but I won't be watching or supporting anyone.

    Of course there is a case for dropping BOD, I may not agree with it, you may not agree with it, but a case can be made.

    Why do you think Gatland has done it ?

    I find your logic bizarre in the extreme , I presume you supported the Lions up until now ? So because one man is dropped you withdraw you support
    Even though there are other Irishmen on the team ?


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    #1003
    Rightwing
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    Howjoe1 wrote: »
    rumours growing that Tuilagi might not be fit. If so, I reckon he'll add Cuthbert.

    No, he'd bench BOD. It's not that he dislikes him, just he thinks he is not good enough.


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    #1004
    .ak
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    No, he'd bench BOD. It's not that he dislikes him, just he thinks he is not good enough.

    I don't even think it's a case of that. He just wants his welsh combo in midfield.


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    #1005
    Rightwing
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    .ak wrote: »
    I don't even think it's a case of that. He just wants his welsh combo in midfield.

    That too without doubt, but if Tuilagi is injured, he'd have no hesitation in putting BOD in. I've a bit of sympathy for Gatty here, tough decision, goes without saying massive sympathy for BOD too. Just 1 of those calls.


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    #1006
    twinytwo
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    That too without doubt, but if Tuilagi is injured, he'd have no hesitation in putting BOD in. I've a bit of sympathy for Gatty here, tough decision, goes without saying massive sympathy for BOD too. Just 1 of those calls.

    he is going for bosh he will bench cutbert... if he was ever going to put bod in the team he woud have started him.


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    #1007
    UnitedIrishman
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    Cuthbert would be the replacement.

    But I've a feeling this story is a load of bull anyways and Tuilagi is fine.


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    #1008
    Foggy.nelson
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    Horrible rumour to release just before bed time- twitter now sayin its a deliberate rumour


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    #1009
    Superbus
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    Think it all stems from some poster on the Planet Rugby forums. Funny how these things snowball.


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    #1010
    GetInTheHole!
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    #1011
    bilston
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    Even if it were true it would make no sense to have BOD benching instead of Manu. What happens if a winger goes down? As already talked abou yesterday Tuilagi provides a modicum of wing cover, BOD provides none whatsoever. So sorry to say if Tuilagi is out then Cuthbert or someone other than BOD will bench, on the basis that Tommy or Farrell would then be centre cover.


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    #1012
    sheeper
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    Could gatland be a genius
    Could he call up bod to fill in for someone last min, and then but bod on the pitch for the last 15 mins when the oz are out on their feet !!! Surley he can't think a welsh team will beat them !!

    Fingers crossed


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    #1013
    Diamondmaker
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    Superbus wrote: »
    bb1.jpg

    Convenient.

    This pic demonstrates in my mind why he was dropped, purely on bulk. Its class however how chuffed Manu clearly is ....


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    #1014
    Aidric
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    .ak wrote: »
    I have to say, I've enjoyed the outrage in the forum. It's mostly faux outrage and tongue firmly in cheek. I think some people are missing that tho...

    The argument has fallen firmly on the side of blind loyalty. Hard for an Irishman to distance himself from it.

    When you step out of the green mist however, you have to acknowledge that BOD has been average in the tests, yes good defensively but no real attacking threat.

    That said he should definitely have been on the bench. Dropping him from the matchday squad entirely was a step too far and ultimately, I feel, a mistake.


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    #1015
    AngeGal
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    Aidric wrote: »
    The argument has fallen firmly on the side of blind loyalty. Hard for an Irishman to distance himself from it.

    When you step out of the green mist however, you have to acknowledge that BOD has been average in the tests, yes good defensively but no real attacking threat.

    That said he should definitely have been on the bench. Dropping him from the matchday squad entirely was a step too far and ultimately, I feel, a mistake.

    The real problem for me is that it's Davies who has taken his place. He was very poor last Saturday. The two main errors BO'D made stemmed from trying to cover for errors by Davies.

    Therefore the decision can't be one on form and if partnerships are so important, then Conor Murray should be wearing number nine. Even outside of the partnership element, Murray has been in better form than Phillips on the tour.

    It is the hypocrisy of Gatland which has annoyed me.

    The amount of changes from test to test have been bizarre and unprecedented in the history of the Lions. I expect Australia to win comfortably on Saturday and given NZ are up next, as others have already said on here, the Lions are likely to go 5 series without a series win.

    This was a series that was very winnable and I think the Lions would have won with many coaches who hadn't payed such a limited predictable gameplan. Gatland will justifiably receive huge criticism if they fail on Saturday.


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    #1016
    errlloyd
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    Tom Shanklin has apparently been spotted making his way to the airport.


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    #1017
    Rightwing
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    ROG:

    O’Gara revealed that he rang his long-time Ireland captain on Wednesday after Warren Gatland’s selection was made public – and described the Leinster man as “choked”.
    “It’s the greatest kick in the b****x he could ever get. Horrific,” O’Gara said.
    “He has to live with that now. Threw will be a captain’s meeting today and he was probably preparing a speech for that from Monday. And then he gets the tap on the shoulder from Warren.”


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    #1018
    cadaliac
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    AngeGal wrote: »
    The real problem for me is that it's Davies who has taken his place. He was very poor last Saturday. The two main errors BO'D made stemmed from trying to cover for errors by Davies.

    Therefore the decision can't be one on form and if partnerships are so important, then Conor Murray should be wearing number nine. Even outside of the partnership element, Murray has been in better form than Phillips on the tour.

    It is the hypocrisy of Gatland which has annoyed me.

    The amount of changes from test to test have been bizarre and unprecedented in the history of the Lions. I expect Australia to win comfortably on Saturday and given NZ are up next, as others have already said on here, the Lions are likely to go 5 series without a series win.

    This was a series that was very winnable and I think the Lions would have won with many coaches who hadn't payed such a limited predictable gameplan. Gatland will justifiably receive huge criticism if they fail on Saturday.
    +1,
    I think you hit the nail on the head


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    #1019
    its_phil
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    Aidric wrote: »

    When you step out of the green mist however, you have to acknowledge that BOD has been average in the tests, yes good defensively but no real attacking threat.

    Here's my problem with a lot of the people criticizing BOD. Everyone is saying his defense is outstanding but his attack is not what it use to be. Can someone honestly tell me there was a good platform for any 13 in the world to attack from in the first two tests? Davies passed the ball once in the second test, what does that tell you about your first and second centers. The Lions played last week to defend not attack. BOD did that well, Davies did not.

    I can understand people making the argument of bish bash bosh but when people criticise BOD for attack, what the hell does it say about Davies over the first two tests. Gatland has set this team up for that kind of rugby and Roberts becoming injured threw a spanner in the works for him.


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    #1020
    twinytwo
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    Aidric wrote: »
    The argument has fallen firmly on the side of blind loyalty. Hard for an Irishman to distance himself from it.

    When you step out of the green mist however, you have to acknowledge that BOD has been average in the tests, yes good defensively but no real attacking threat.

    That said he should definitely have been on the bench. Dropping him from the matchday squad entirely was a step too far and ultimately, I feel, a mistake.

    Care to point out who has been an attacking threat???..... apart from north who has one or two good runs. Drico has done more than most.


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    #1021
    Bogota
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    Aidric wrote: »
    The argument has fallen firmly on the side of blind loyalty. Hard for an Irishman to distance himself from it.

    When you step out of the green mist however, you have to acknowledge that BOD has been average in the tests, yes good defensively but no real attacking threat.

    That said he should definitely have been on the bench. Dropping him from the matchday squad entirely was a step too far and ultimately, I feel, a mistake.

    Every single pundit has come out and said it was a mistake. Even Tim Horan today has called it a huge error. I don't think it has anything to do with 'green mist'.


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