Kildare GAA General Discussion Thread

Syferus · 06-06-2013 1:10am

Tyrone are hardly average, a team filled with lads with senior AIs and underage AIs. Kildare would kill to have a Stephen O'Neill or a Sean Cavanagh to go with Johnny Doyle. I think Dublin can be exposed at the back but their talent on the front foot and Kildare's weakness when it comes to converting chances makes me think ye will find it very hard to capitalise on those frailties. It's just not a favourable match-up of strengths and weaknesses for Kildare.

It should be a good test for both sides and it's probably the Leinster final in all but name to boot.

klairondavis · 06-06-2013 9:42pm

It's rumoured that Keith Cribbin is back on the Kildare panel

qwerty93 · 07-06-2013 9:46am

klairondavis wrote: »

It's rumoured that Keith Cribbin is back on the Kildare panel

Jesus, Johnstownbridge would have a huge amount of players on the panel if thats the case, its amazing that they are still intermediate with that amount of talent

Lord Trollington · 07-06-2013 12:07pm

Syferus wrote: »

Tyrone are hardly average, a team filled with lads with senior AIs and underage AIs. Kildare would kill to have a Stephen O'Neill or a Sean Cavanagh to go with Johnny Doyle. I think Dublin can be exposed at the back but their talent on the front foot and Kildare's weakness when it comes to converting chances makes me think ye will find it very hard to capitalise on those frailties. It's just not a favourable match-up of strengths and weaknesses for Kildare.

It should be a good test for both sides and it's probably the Leinster final in all but name to boot.

Tyrone have been an average enough championship team for the last number of years.

They have a slow aging backline and O'Neill and Cavanagh aside have very little in terms of top quality.

The National Football League this year has masked their inefficiencies.

Lemlin · 07-06-2013 2:00pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Tyrone have been an average enough championship team for the last number of years.

They have a slow aging backline and O'Neill and Cavanagh aside have very little in terms of top quality.

The National Football League this year has masked their inefficiencies.

You commented above regarding Tyrone that "even an average enough team can disrupt and beat them".

In the past few years in the championship, Tyrone have lost to:

2010: Dublin
2011: Donegal and Dublin
2012: Donegal and Kerry
2013: Donegal

I'm wondering which of those teams above you'd see as "average enough"?

I'd see all of those sides as being in the top five in the country at the time, if not higher. Dublin and Donegal actually proved themselves to be the best in the country each year they beat Tyrone.

Felexicon · 07-06-2013 2:09pm

Lemlin wrote: »

You commented above regarding Tyrone that "even an average enough team can disrupt and beat them".

In the past few years in the championship, Tyrone have lost to:

2010: Dublin
2011: Donegal and Dublin
2012: Donegal and Kerry
2013: Donegal

I'm wondering which of those teams above you'd see as "average enough"?

I'd see all of those sides as being in the top five in the country at the time, if not higher. Dublin and Donegal actually proved themselves to be the best in the country each year they beat Tyrone.

I see where you are coming from there but who did Tyrone beat in those years.
You could make the same argument for Wicklow if they were beaten by Dublin in Leinster and Kerry in Qualifiers but in reality they are a poor side who had beaten nobody

Edit: I agree with you that Tyrone are far from an average Championship side over the last few years.

Lemlin · 07-06-2013 2:29pm

Felexicon wrote: »

I see where you are coming from there but who did Tyrone beat in those years.
You could make the same argument for Wicklow if they were beaten by Dublin in Leinster and Kerry in Qualifiers but in reality they are a poor side who had beaten nobody

Edit: I agree with you that Tyrone are far from an average Championship side over the last few years.

It might happen Wicklow one year but not three in a row. Tyrone won Ulster in 2010. Hardly an easy feat.

Over the years they have beaten Armagh, Down, Monaghan and Roscommon. Those are decent enough teams and teams who, over those years, were next in line to the top sides.

klairondavis · 07-06-2013 4:58pm

qwerty93 wrote: »

Jesus, Johnstownbridge would have a huge amount of players on the panel if thats the case, its amazing that they are still intermediate with that amount of talent

I don't think the number of lads they have away with the county team helps them to build any sort of continuity. It's amazing to think Sarsfields only have one player on the panel now that Dermot is gone and they are the county champions!

Cribbin played well for the junior team last week. He's still quite young and has pace to burn. I'd be surprised if he features but he will add to the competition in the squad which can't do any harm.

Syferus · 07-06-2013 5:41pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Tyrone have been an average enough championship team for the last number of years.

They have a slow aging backline and O'Neill and Cavanagh aside have very little in terms of top quality.

The National Football League this year has masked their inefficiencies.

Tyrone are well on the way towards building their next team, they aren't analogous to the current Kerry team where most of the greats are giving it one last swig of the flask. Most of the 'passed it' players have retired over the last two seasons.

Kildare could actually beat Tyrone but in terms of quality forwards it's not even comparable. Neither team are average.

smashey · 07-06-2013 5:53pm

I thought this was a Kildare thread.

DARK-KNIGHT · 07-06-2013 6:23pm

smashey wrote: »

I thought this was a Kildare thread.

SIGHS...

Kildare thread with a taste of lemons smashey..

If Kildare can stay with Dublin in the first half I fancy is to take them all the way to final whistle!!!

In saying that Dublin are a fantastic side I have huge respect for the squad... But this is war now gimme my Kildare jersey and my warpaint!!!

Red Crow · 07-06-2013 6:54pm

Kildare will have no problem staying with Dublin in the first half but in the second half I'd expect Dublin's firepower to take over. I also think that Kildare just don't have the forwards to match Dublin in a shoot out.

Syferus · 07-06-2013 7:04pm

smashey wrote: »

I thought this was a Kildare thread.

I don't usually take on the mods but I have to say I think a comment (by a Kildare poster at that) about Tyrone being average was a very organic and relevant discussion in the context of a game between two of the top five or six teams in the country.

Given you commented on this in the guise of a poster (hence the non-bolded text) I assume I'm fully within my rights to take you up on that point.

BNMC · 07-06-2013 7:21pm

Syferus wrote: »

I don't usually take on the mods but I have to say I think a comment (by a Kildare poster at that) about Tyrone being average was a very organic and relevant discussion in the context of a game between two of the top five or six teams in the country.

Given you commented on this in the guise of a poster (hence the non-bolded text) I assume I'm fully within my rights to take you up on that point.

What are you on about... What does it matter where a poster comes from? Are we not allowed have an opinion on other counties?

DARK-KNIGHT · 07-06-2013 9:42pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Kildare will have no problem staying with Dublin in the first half but in the second half I'd expect Dublin's firepower to take over. I also think that Kildare just don't have the forwards to match Dublin in a shoot out.

dublin are a class act eli.. no doubt they could hand us a beating but believe is all i will say.

Lord Trollington · 07-06-2013 10:04pm

Syferus wrote: »

Tyrone are well on the way towards building their next team, they aren't analogous to the current Kerry team where most of the greats are giving it one last swig of the flask. Most of the 'passed it' players have retired over the last two seasons.

Kildare could actually beat Tyrone but in terms of quality forwards it's not even comparable. Neither team are average.

I agree they are building a team with potential, but at the moment I believe them to be on a par with Kildare.

Dublin
Donegal
Cork
Kerry

Are top 4 and are top teams

Average/good teams would be Kildare, Mayo, Tyrone and Down (at a push).
These teams could beat each other on any given day but shouldn't trouble top teams too much.

The chasing pack are quite some way behind.

Lemlin · 07-06-2013 10:31pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I agree they are building a team with potential, but at the moment I believe them to be on a par with Kildare.

Dublin
Donegal
Cork
Kerry

Are top 4 and are top teams

Average/good teams would be Kildare, Mayo, Tyrone and Down (at a push).
These teams could beat each other on any given day but shouldn't trouble top teams too much.

The chasing pack are quite some way behind.

I dunno why but people on this board have always been fixated with rating teams. As far back as '05 the Dublin lads reckoned they were the 3rd best team in the country because they drew with Tyrone.

This discussion was already had earlier in the year on this thread too.

Mayo beat Cork in 2011 and Dublin last year so I can't see why they wouldn't join your top quartet to be honest.

If anything, I would see the top four teams as, in no particular order, Donegal, Dublin, Mayo and Cork. Kerry and Tyrone have slipped back but they would occupy numbers 5 and 6. It still takes a top team to beat them.

Next in line would be Kildare, Down and Derry. The rest, as you say, have alot of ground to make up.

That's based on past performance. Alot has to be seen this year. I know there's an opinion I have an agenda against Kildare but my rating is based on the fact that they lost to Meath, a team then relegated to Division 3, last year. You haven't seen Tyrone or Kerry lose to that sort of opposition in championship football.

I can't understand this need by supporters to constantly talk up their teams and rate them highly either. Better talk them down and be pleasantly surprised IMO.

klairondavis · 07-06-2013 10:50pm

Lemlin wrote: »

I dunno why but people on this board have always been fixated with rating teams.

Agreed.

Leave it to the lazy Indo hacks and RTE gravy-trainers.

smashey · 07-06-2013 11:28pm

Syferus wrote: »

I don't usually take on the mods but I have to say I think a comment (by a Kildare poster at that) about Tyrone being average was a very organic and relevant discussion in the context of a game between two of the top five or six teams in the country.

Given you commented on this in the guise of a poster (hence the non-bolded text) I assume I'm fully within my rights to take you up on that point.

I posted as a mod and I rarely use bold text. I really don't see the need as I can generally get my point across and last time I checked, bold text wasn't compulsory.

klairondavis · 12-06-2013 9:09pm

Leinster JFC

Kildare 0-8 Wicklow 0-7

Kildare play Longford in Newbridge in the Leinster Final in a fortnight's time

BNMC · 12-06-2013 9:15pm

Great stuff. Were you over at it Klairon? I totally forgot about it until I seen the team on FB but by then it was too late.

klairondavis · 12-06-2013 9:31pm

BNMC wrote: »

Great stuff. Were you over at it Klairon? I totally forgot about it until I seen the team on FB but by then it was too late.

I intended going to it but thought the better of it with the weather the way it is. I'll hopefully make the final.

Kildare team was:
1 Willie Clynch (Grange)
2 James O'Connor (JTB)
3 Willie Burke (TMH)
4 Peter Warren (Maynooth)
5 Colin O'Shea (Milltown)
6 Johnny Byrne (Allenwood)
7 Darren Barker (Kilcullen)
8 Sean Hurley (JTB)
9 Dan Grehan (Cloghs)
10 Keith Cribbin (JTB)
11 Seamus Hanafin (Ballyteague)
12 Colm Fagan (Rathcoffey)
13 Paddy Mahon (Castledermot)
14 Cian Bolton (Eadestown)
15 Cathal McNally (JTB)

Lemlin · 13-06-2013 6:19pm

klairondavis wrote: »

I intended going to it but thought the better of it with the weather the way it is. I'll hopefully make the final.

Kildare team was:
1 Willie Clynch (Grange)
2 James O'Connor (JTB)
3 Willie Burke (TMH)
4 Peter Warren (Maynooth)
5 Colin O'Shea (Milltown)
6 Johnny Byrne (Allenwood)
7 Darren Barker (Kilcullen)
8 Sean Hurley (JTB)
9 Dan Grehan (Cloghs)
10 Keith Cribbin (JTB)
11 Seamus Hanafin (Ballyteague)
12 Colm Fagan (Rathcoffey)
13 Paddy Mahon (Castledermot)
14 Cian Bolton (Eadestown)
15 Cathal McNally (JTB)

Would many of those lads have been in your U21 team this year?

klairondavis · 13-06-2013 6:25pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Would many of those lads have been in your U21 team this year?

Johnny Byrne and Sean Hurley. Daniel Grehan was a sub for the under 21s.

klairondavis · 25-06-2013 7:45pm

Kildare team for Leinster JFC final v Longford:

1 William Clynch - Grange
2 James O Connor - Johnstownbridge
3 William Burke - Two Mile House
4 Peter Warren - Maynooth
5 Daithi Duke - Kilcock
6 Darren Barker - Kilcullen
7 Colin O'Shea - Milltown
8 Keith Cribbin - Johnstownbridge
9 Shane Darcy - Two Mile House
10 Hughie Mahon - Athy
11 Seamus Hannifin (Captain) - Ballyteague
12 Colum Fagan - Rathcoffey
13 Paddy Mahon - Castledermot
14 Cian Bolton - Eadstown
15 Cathal McNally - Johnstownbridge

klairondavis · 26-06-2013 9:15pm

Kildare 2-15 Longford 3-8

Kildare are the Leinster Junior Football Champions for the second time in three years!

Lemlin · 26-06-2013 11:31pm

klairondavis wrote: »

Kildare 2-15 Longford 3-8

Kildare are the Leinster Junior Football Champions for the second time in three years!

Congrats folks.

klairondavis · 27-06-2013 10:56pm

Kildare team v Dublin:

1 Mark Donnellan - Maynooth
2 Peter Kelly - Two Mile House
3 Mick Foley - Athy
4 Hugh McGrillen - Celbridge
5 Éamonn Callaghan - Naas
6 Morgan O'Flaherty - Carbury
7 Emmet Bolton - Eadestown
8 Daryl Flynn - Moorefield
9 Dan Flynn - Johnstownbridge
10 Paul Cribbin - Johnstownbridge
11 Niall Kelly - Athy
12 Eoghan O'Flaherty - Carbury
13 Johnny Doyle - Allenwood
14 Tomás O'Connor - Clane
15 Paddy Brophy - Celbridge

full_irish · 27-06-2013 11:00pm

I'll be very surprised if that's how the team actually line up. McGeeney's not gonna start now just 'cus HQ say he might maybe get in trouble.

Also, are we really trying the tactic of playing TO'C in at full forward again? It simply doesn't work against the better counties

To Alcohol · 27-06-2013 11:05pm

Have a feeling E Doyle maybe in for O'Flaherty and maybe Smith or Johnston in for O'Connor.

klairondavis · 27-06-2013 11:06pm

full_irish wrote: »

I'll be very surprised if that's how the team actually line up. McGeeney's not gonna start now just 'cus HQ say he might maybe get in trouble.

Also, are we really trying the tactic of playing TO'C in at full forward again? It simply doesn't work against the better counties

Agree on all points.

We have to try something different even if it is unlikely to work. Nothing to lose in this game.

klairondavis · 27-06-2013 11:19pm

To Alcohol wrote: »

Have a feeling E Doyle maybe in for O'Flaherty and maybe Smith or Johnston in for O'Connor.

Morgan or Eoghan?

I don't think Doyle will be fit to be honest. I've heard he has very little work done in the past six weeks.

To Alcohol · 27-06-2013 11:27pm

klairondavis wrote: »

Morgan or Eoghan?

I don't think Doyle will be fit to be honest. I've heard he has very little work done in the past six weeks.

In for Morgan. If we got 40 mins from Doyle I'd be delighted. Hurley could be another option at full forward. He'd be a good option as you could drop him into midfield if he wasn't getting much change from their full back.

klairondavis · 27-06-2013 11:29pm

I think Hurley will play. Would not be surprised if there was a change between the sticks too.

Red Crow · 27-06-2013 11:33pm

klairondavis wrote: »

I think Hurley will play. Would not be surprised if there was a change between the sticks too.

There needs to be tbh. Dublin will run rampant on Kildare if Donnellan is kicking the ball out.

BNMC · 28-06-2013 5:54pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

There needs to be tbh. Dublin will run rampant on Kildare if Donnellan is kicking the ball out.

How do you make that out? Connolly's kickouts against Dublin in the league were awful and it's the reason he was dropped. Connolly is the better keeper but Donnellan's kicking is better IMO.

I think this game will be a lot closer than people think, Dublin do not like playing against us, all the pressure will be on them too.

I hope to God the referee does not ruin this game.

I would not rule out a draw.

klairondavis · 28-06-2013 8:29pm

Connolly's kickouts have never been his strong point but him and Conway seem to have taken the fall for the debacle in the league which is unfair because the whole team went into meltdown that day.

Donnellan's distribution against Offaly was quite poor but hopefully it was just first day nerves.

Lemlin · 28-06-2013 8:46pm

Senan Connell on Today FM this evening with the rumour that McGeeney deliberately over trained the players before the Dublin league game to set them up for a fall.

Dermot Earley just laughed.

Frankie Lee · 28-06-2013 9:40pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Senan Connell on Today FM this evening with the rumour that McGeeney deliberately over trained the players before the Dublin league game to set them up for a fall.

Dermot Earley just laughed.

McGeeney did say after the Kerry game that the training would be heavier and he did rest the under 21's against Dublin so there was plenty held back.
I still don't think Kildare are good enough to beat this Dublin team regardless.

klairondavis · 28-06-2013 10:06pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Senan Connell on Today FM this evening with the rumour that McGeeney deliberately over trained the players before the Dublin league game to set them up for a fall.

Dermot Earley just laughed.

Dermot would know considering he was due to start that day before he did his back in the warm-up.

Just one of those days that Kildare have all too frequently when a team gets a run on us and we give up too easily. I hope that it won't happen again on Sunday and I don't think it will. I expect a defeat but I think we will come out of it with our pride intact.

full_irish · 28-06-2013 11:42pm

klairondavis wrote: »

Just one of those days that Kildare have all too frequently when a team gets a run on us and we give up too easily. I hope that it won't happen again on Sunday and I don't think it will. I expect a defeat but I think we will come out of it with our pride intact.

*Takes deep breath*
I don't give a flying fook about pride at this stage, I just want to win a feckin' Leinster title... its been too damn long since the last one. I'd settle for one in the Meath v Louth guise at this stage I'm so bloody desperate!!
*And mini-rant over*

klairondavis · 28-06-2013 11:47pm

13 years is too long but we have to be realistic, we're 4/1 outsiders in a two horse race.

full_irish · 28-06-2013 11:59pm

I know, I'm heading up on Sunday knowing full well we will probably lose, lets hope its a decent match though. Also fair excited as its the first time I've been in the country for a match in yonks.

Tom Joad · 30-06-2013 11:57am

klairondavis wrote: »

Dermot would know considering he was due to start that day before he did his back in the warm-up.

Just one of those days that Kildare have all too frequently when a team gets a run on us and we give up too easily. I hope that it won't happen again on Sunday and I don't think it will. I expect a defeat but I think we will come out of it with our pride intact.

Was listening to Eugene McGee on the radio this morning talking about Brian Lacey saying that Kildare fans were not critical enough about their team and players. Interesting points were being made on it and its certainly a unique problem - most counties have the opposite problem. It shows the great loyalty to their team that Kildare fans have but maybe Lacey has a point.

While nobody is giving Kildare a prayer today I think it will be closer than people expect - there is no pressure on Kildare today and that can only work in their favour. If Kildare lose today apart from Tyrone there will be little to fear in the qualifiers so Kildare will be in the quarters one way or another.

dunnerc · 30-06-2013 12:13pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Was listening to Eugene McGee on the radio this morning talking about Brian Lacey saying that Kildare fans were not critical enough about their team and players. Interesting points were being made on it and its certainly a unique problem - most counties have the opposite problem. It shows the great loyalty to their team that Kildare fans have but maybe Lacey has a point.

While nobody is giving Kildare a prayer today I think it will be closer than people expect - there is no pressure on Kildare today and that can only work in their favour. If Kildare lose today apart from Tyrone there will be little to fear in the qualifiers so Kildare will be in the quarters one way or another.

not if they get tyrone.

Felexicon · 30-06-2013 12:16pm

dunnerc wrote: »

not if they get tyrone.

Read the post again.

dunnerc · 30-06-2013 12:18pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Read the post again.

thanks for the advice:D

Neeson · 30-06-2013 5:51pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

If Kildare lose today apart from Tyrone there will be little to fear in the qualifiers so Kildare will be in the quarters one way or another.

Well after that defensive performance I wouldn't be so confident. A lot more to worry about than just Tyrone.

Fireball07 · 30-06-2013 6:02pm

Neeson wrote: »

Well after that defensive performance I wouldn't be so confident. A lot more to worry about than just Tyrone.

Wouldn't be surprised if Down and Derry beat Kildare if they were to meet before Round 4.

And Kildare could end up playing Cork/Kerry in R4, not sure they'd win that.

Neeson · 30-06-2013 6:40pm

They wouldn't and its as simple as that so it is.

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