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The super honest what's wrong with the IAA thread 2013 mod warning post 1 and post53

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    ginge_2013 wrote: »
    What does it matter my connection. I asked a question are you going to answer it?
    Are you the spokesperson for the new committee????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭jayod30


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    Are you the spokesperson for the new committee????

    Are you gonna be the mod with a bit balls that will actually lock this train wreck of a thread as from the start it is clearly going NOWHERE????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    Why do you consider a simple question to be "stirring the ****".
    If you dont know the answer then dont respond.

    If the IAA still exists then maybe a current committee member could let us know they will not be using boards and all these stickied threads can be let drop down the forum into oblivion.

    This whole thread is stirring the ****, and frankly that is has not been killed a long time ago is a poor reflection on boards and the standard of moderation.

    For starters it has been set up with the description "what is wrong with the IAA" - declaring from the outset that there is a problem with the organisation regardless of whether that is true or not.

    The ground rules for the thread then were farcical and would be laughed out of any proper "discussion"
    • you may ask any question
    • you may not disagree with anybody's question.
    • you may not discuss anyone else's question
    So anyone was able claim whatever they like ("how long has the IAA had a policy of recruiting and defending paedophiles?"), and no one can stand up to say otherwise.

    The "discussion" (which it wasn't because a proper debate is a 2-way thing), whatever the original intent, appears rigged from the outset to say that the IAA is broken. Its no wonder they refused to engage with such a process.

    I seriously doubt they will be along here to answer even the simplest of questions, because to do so would be to legitimise what looks like a blatant hatchet job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭whydave


    whydave wrote: »
    So invite sent via facebook for Jolly boys 5.hope to hear back soon.Email sent.new email sent with new date
    ginge_2013 wrote: »
    I also know for a fact that the IAA were invited to Jolly Boys 4 and declined by e-mail due to scheduling conflicts. You should really check your facts.
    whydave wrote: »
    Email received!
    This is true there was show on in Naas, that e-mail was received & not passed on to anyone as it was addressed to me. I posted again in this thread to let users of boards.ie that the 'new team' were invited to Jolly boys 5 and it may be a chance to meet them on an airsoft site.I feel that this was a good idea as we(most) of use started here and new players who only hear about the IAA in the most unpleasant way may get to see that they are not strangers but players !
    Just on one point this may be the tenth event I have arranged over the history of airsoft in Ireland and all past IAA committees have been invited non attended but this is the first to respond (Via email) that they will be unable to attend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    Are you the spokesperson for the new committee????

    Why do you insist you get an answer here?

    It is pretty obvious that anyone posturing for answers here, has some sort of wonky agenda.

    The IAA have their official channels of communication, they may or may not decide to post here depending. But considering the lazy accusations the organisation has got in the past, why should they bother?

    New committee have been impressive in fairness going about their business. They've been attending a number of public events promoting the sport professionally and they have been attending sites and from what I understand engaging with players having mature conversations.

    This is a glorified talk shop, the thread here has gone on for ages and there hasn't been one tangible " what is wrong" with the organisation that hasn't been rebuked as rubbish.

    I get the impression that there is like three lads here who are looking for some personal letter of assurance as to what the committee will do to put their mind at ease.

    Requesting conversations to take place in a public forum, especially persistently, comes accross as nearly entrapment, I'm not surprised the IAA arn't engaging here, they probably feel they will be trapped with wild accusations and statements, that at the end of the day never get properly discussed or retracted.

    If you have a problem or an issue, you can contact the IAA directly, you don't need to let everyone know your concern, simply is just posturing


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ginge_2013


    Well done dogwatch. Shown again that the mods are biased. I'm not he new spokesman I'm just sick of the blatant bad mouthing and couldn't sit in the wings and watch anymore. I know the new guys. Ill even ask them to e-mail you if that's what it takes to close this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    whydave wrote: »
    we(most) of use started here and new players who only hear about the IAA in the most unpleasant way may get to see that they are not strangers but players !


    I think at some point the IAA will have to just cut their losses trying to appease the old brigade. As your post suggests, albeit maybe not intentionally, you want the IAA to come to you, and prove to you that the organisation is productive and doesn't match the mud slinging that's gone on in the past.

    I know it's not your intention, probably, but sometimes it feels like players want the IAA to come out and woo them into submission.

    The IAA burnt a few bridges in the early days, grand, alot of people accept that. But it was what was required at the time, getting the sport safe and ensuring it could survive.

    Subsequent committees, with the sport safe, were able to turn attention away from Government and Police, and focus on engaging with the player base and sites and retailers.

    I just don't know what people really want. I worked with the IAA last year in a technical capacity. We had Fabio, who was a pretty darn good PRO, regularly sending me content to post to

    Facebook
    Twitter
    Google +
    IAA Front Page
    Boards.ie IAA thread
    Airsofter.ie IAA thread

    It's an organisation that represents everyone nationwide, it can't go around to every village nailing flyers to the local SuperValue community info wall....


    I'm not having a pop at you Dave, just keep getting the feeling when I read some minority posts here, that people are expected to get their updates in person, and be convinced the IAA is worth dealing with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    Here's the IAA facebook page https://www.facebook.com/IrishAirsoftAssociation If you actually have an interest in seeing what the association is doing to promote the sport go and take a look. If you just want to keep on bad-mouthing the association or making snide implications you are more than welcome to continue doing so here. But have a think about what you are doing. Are you improving anything for airsofters in Ireland? Are you making a contribution to the sport? Because the lads at the IAA are. And they aren't bothering to bad-mouth anyone else while they're doing it.

    By the way - having spoken to the current committee at the last AGM I know for a fact that a couple of them have never even looked at boards and have no intention of starting. So demanding that answers be provided here is simply an exercise in futility. They aren't ignoring you - they simply aren't even seeing what you are saying here. As TheDoc said above (and many times before) there are loads of ways to get in touch with the IAA - this place isn't one of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    TheDoc wrote: »
    I get the impression that there is like three lads here who are looking for some personal letter of assurance as to what the committee will do to put their mind at ease.

    Boards Gripers: "The IAA is broken because of issues: A, B, C"
    Airsoft community: "Those are long since resolved and ancient history"

    ** Pause **

    Boards Gripers: "The IAA is broken because of issues: A, B, C"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Just to clarify, I used Whydaves post as a vessel to convey my message. I get what he is trying to achieve in inviting the committee to the Jboy tours, and it's genuine in it's message.

    It was just a good way to convey my point that IAA won't knock on your door and show you a chronological order of things they have done.

    They put their information out as best they can with the methods available, which to be fair, is plentiful. And they are only human, they can only go to so many sites and games in a month, and talk to so many people.

    When you actually look at the communication avenues the IAA have, it's more then most sporting bodies, and their response times are pretty impressive, when most sporting bodies give you a lead time of 10-14 working days....


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 130 ✭✭SentinelStance


    ''Woohoo another hater to add to my list.'' AndyG

    Perhaps you should ask yourself what you are doing wrong to warrant a list of haters. Just a thought.


    Really is lovely watching this thread. Why does it still survive other than to serve as a means to give sly digs to each other?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    ''Woohoo another hater to add to my list.'' AndyG

    Perhaps you should ask yourself what you are doing wrong to warrant a list of haters. Just a thought.


    Really is lovely watching this thread. Why does it still survive other than to serve as a means to give sly digs to each other?

    I've always been a strong believer in that users should drive the thread discussions, not mods, its not how forums work, and its not how boards used to work.

    And I've been most outspoken about it on this forum, that there was too much mod interference in terms of topics and discussion that can and can't be had.

    I say leave it open. What purpose does closing the thread have? When people are done talking, and not interested any more, it falls away into obscurity.

    Let the thread live, let comments come and let there be mature discussion. Unlike the initial rules posted for this thread, which were archaic and nothing sort of stupid, but granted arnt being enforced which is nice to see.

    We still arn't seeing anything tangible.

    "What is wrong with the IAA?"

    So far, seems nothing. Nothing tangible has come out of it, not one thing. Anything that was mentioned was pretty heavily rebuked or answered. The main one so far was transparency, and in fairness the IAA was just short of having 12 Apostles last term, in spreading the word.

    So let's keep talking, lets keep discussing and get something out of it, or when people have nothing left to say, the thread will kill itself, we dont need intervention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 tommyboy_71


    whydave wrote: »
    Just on one point this may be the tenth event I have arranged over the history of airsoft in Ireland and all past IAA committees have been invited non attended but this is the first to respond (Via email) that they will be unable to attend.

    I think that this might be a bit of an exaggeration. Members of the IAA were more than likely at some of them, just not in official capacity.

    Its quite easy to change facts to suit your own agenda.


    I gave up on this place but I think I will rejoin until this thread gets nuked from space.
    Cant let you boys have all the fun*
    *For "fun" read unfounded accusations

    Tommyboy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    I'm going off to form the Coninuity IAA.
    Who's with me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'm going off to form the Coninuity IAA.
    Who's with me?

    About that

    Contact email yourwastingyourtime.ie

    PH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    All these posters responding and, as far as I know, not one of them on the current committee.

    Not everyone is on Facebook and as for the IAA website, the last posts on that were spammers dated 9 june 2013. How much attention is being paid to that as well.

    It seems some posters on here can only shout and scream when the IAA is mentioned. I simply wanted to know what the official IAA stance is on using boards. All I am getting is a lot of noise and very little signal.

    Perhaps one of you kind people could ask one of them to PM me and let me know the status.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    OK, I've had a quick look at some of the recent posts in this thread, given some of the local mods have been actively involved in it

    I'm going to go through it in more detail later on, but be warned bans and cards will be forthcoming to a number of posters based on some of the posts I have already looked at. Before anyone else gets themselves into trouble (or deeper trouble they are already in) check the site and forum rules. In particular:
    • Do not abuse other posters - a particularly dim view is taken when abusing mod volunteers
    • Do not back-seat moderate - to be clear asking for the thread to be closed (or in some cases insisting on it) is back-seat moderation. PM the mods to discuss any issues you have with the thread or report the relevant posts
    • Do not challenge mod actions/instructions in-thread
    If anyone has any questions about this PM me - do not respond in-thread

    Thanks

    Beasty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    ''Woohoo another hater to add to my list.'' AndyG

    Perhaps you should ask yourself what you are doing wrong to warrant a list of haters. Just a thought.


    Really is lovely watching this thread. Why does it still survive other than to serve as a means to give sly digs to each other?

    Or as it normally is the usual user's that cant abide by the rules which is the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    All these posters responding and, as far as I know, not one of them on the current committee.

    Not everyone is on Facebook and as for the IAA website, the last posts on that were spammers dated 9 june 2013. How much attention is being paid to that as well.

    It seems some posters on here can only shout and scream when the IAA is mentioned. I simply wanted to know what the official IAA stance is on using boards. All I am getting is a lot of noise and very little signal.

    Perhaps one of you kind people could ask one of them to PM me and let me know the status.

    Like I said, I spoke to them at the AGM and they officially do not use Boards. Don't even have accounts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Like I said, I spoke to them at the AGM and they officially do not use Boards. Don't even have accounts.

    Ah but then that's second hand information and not from the current committee so it would be better to hear it from them.

    Plus i'd say they have accounts here as one of them used to/still does.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    UP THE CIAA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Keegan


    Mod warning post 1 and post 53, post 168 a c-mod steps in and from what I can see the answer to the thread is the IAA and Boards.ie don't get along so seriously honest question why hasn't this troll bait of a thread been locked and put to rest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Keegan wrote: »
    Mod warning post 1 and post 53, post 168 a c-mod steps in and from what I can see the answer to the thread is the IAA and Boards.ie don't get along so seriously honest question why hasn't this troll bait of a thread been locked and put to rest?

    Its not that they don't get along you just have to know the actual history of the association and boards moderators and anybody that speaks up ,

    Do a search of the boards.ie feedback forum airsoft moderators for a start


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ginge_2013


    It's good to see that nobody holds a grudge and carries it on when a new committee takes over! Instead if helping out you would rather bad mouth the new people without actually meeting them or giving them a chance


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,468 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    jayod30 banned for a month and banned from posting in this thread again for personal abuse towards a mod, together with numerous examples of challenging mod actions, back-seat modding and earlier abusive posts

    sliabh yellow carded for back-seat modding

    Keegan yellow carded for ignoring my earlier instruction

    There were other posts I could have carded but have let go for now. However please note there will be zero tolerance going forward and any previous examples of posts that were close to or over the line will be taken into account when considering any future action

    For those claiming the thread should be closed because it's a "train-wreck" it's clear to me that many of those posters have contributed to the problems arising. Other posters have contributed in a constructive manner (from both sides) without resorting to abuse, challenging mod actions or back-seat modding.

    The thread remains open - I will continue to monitor it - there is no reason why posters cannot discuss these issues in an adult fashion

    Any questions, PM me - do not respond in-thread

    Thanks

    Beasty


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭defenderdude


    With the greatest of respect to both AndyG and Dogwatch whom I know personally, I feel this ill-conceived thread has single handedly done more damage to the relationship between the IAA and boards and many boards users and the mods.

    Personally I am both dismayed and embarrassed by some of the carry-on. I am not trying to excuse discent and abuse against mods but Moderation has been in my opinion - unfair, biased and ill judged.

    I did not want to get involved in this at all - but I have grown sick and tired of the constant petty bs and bickering which is rotting the sport from within.
    I have been a member of boards for over 11 years and have always been a big defender of boards - but I've had enough and can no longer stomach this embarrassing fiasco.
    Put the sport before yourselves guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    The following was sent to me by PM and is taken from the IAA website.

    http://irishairsoft.ie/?page_id=13

    Forums
    Boards.ie Airsoft Forum – The birthplace of the Irish Airsoft community in the Republic.

    Boards.ie was and still is at the heart of the Irish Airsoft community.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    The following was sent to me by PM and is taken from the IAA website.

    http://irishairsoft.ie/?page_id=13

    Forums
    Boards.ie Airsoft Forum – The birthplace of the Irish Airsoft community in the Republic.

    Boards.ie was and still is at the heart of the Irish Airsoft community.


    Oh...my...god... This changes everything!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    Oh...my...god... This changes everything!
    Sadly, it probably will not:(:(:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    Well, no probably not. Which genuinely is very sad in my opinion. I do think the potential for good here is immense and I believed that while PRO of the IAA which is why our updates were all sent to boards during my term. But when an opening was given for discussion we were quickly given a hugely negative thread (this one) through which a small few could get cheap and unfounded digs in at the people who were doing their best for airsoft. Digs which came from people who were doing NOTHING to help the community.


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