The super honest what's wrong with the IAA thread 2013 mod warning post 1 and post53

Steve

OK, following on from a lot on private messages, it seems there is a lot of things that people would like to say / get off their chest.

It seems to me that, given there is a new committee due to be elected, they should know what they're in for.

In an attempt to be fair to all, please use this thread to put whatever questions you may have on public record.

There are a few rules though.

* you may ask any question you would like the IAA to answer

* you may not quote or answer anybody on this thread.

* you may not disagree with anybody's question.

* you may not discuss anyone else's question.

* The IAA may post answers here directly or they can post anon via a pm to any of the mods here.

In short, you may pose a reasonable question to the IAA that you would like answered and I personally will do my best to get an answer.

I really hope this will work, it will if we all muck in

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The_ChiefDUB

If you would like to get an answer from the IAA committee the best place to put the question is and always has been on the IAA forum at www.irishairsoft.ie or by emailing info@irishairsoft.ie. The IAA forum is also where the official discussions related to the AGM, the nominees for the new committee and the motions which have been put forward by members are bing held.
You can also email us through Facebook on the IAA Facebook page.
I do my very best to answer all questions through these channels as quickly as possible.

Thanks
Fabio
IAA PRO

andy_g

Steve wrote: »

OK, following on from a lot on private messages, it seems there is a lot of things that people would like to say / get off their chest.

It seems to me that, given there is a new committee due to be elected, they should know what they're in for.

In an attempt to be fair to all, please use this thread to put whatever questions you may have on public record.

There are a few rules though.

* you may ask any question you would like the IAA to answer

* you may not quote or answer anybody on this thread.

* you may not disagree with anybody's question.

* you may not discuss anyone else's question.

* The IAA may post answers here directly or they can post anon via a pm to any of the mods here.

In short, you may pose a reasonable question to the IAA that you would like answered and I personally will do my best to get an answer.

I really hope this will work, it will if we all muck in

Great idea for the thread Steve, think it will be good for the community here on boards. And maybe get more members for the iaa.

Alane23

As the current Vice-Chairman of the association I would just like to say a few words.

The work that has gone into getting the association, internally, back up and running was extremely difficult. We have achieved this and it is in great shape.

We are working on a lot of ideas that will benefit the entire community of Airsoft. We should have these ideas ready to publicise very soon.

As a player myself I can see these ideas being a great success for everyone involved in Airsoft and will only be beneficial to the sport.

We all need to work together....Retailers, Sites and players because without 1 the others do not exist.

tonymccann

its a volunteer organisation and yet when help is offered it is ignored as in my case I at the moment feel very very very insulted by this not just me so this tells me its jobs for the boys and a click

I feel that there are certain big boys controlling the organisation from the back ground this can be implied by certain responses to my own post here

I did want to stand and I know I would have given a very good contribution but I was turned off by what I just put up on this post and reply that was made to my other posts

the website is a disgrace (not updated) it would take 20 mins to update this is just lazy

weather the committee like it or not there is a huge lack of transperencey for example why was the nominations hidden and only released at the last min and even then hidden away in the agm 2012 section on the forum again this is just lazy

this is just what I see and it has turned me off the iaa and airsoft in general and that's the worst part of it

sliabh

<snip> stay within the rules of the first post please. Steve.

Steve

Just to add to the first post, you may post an opinion on something that you think is wrong (as opposed to a question) as long as it's not a baseless rant and you can back it up with something factual.

I *will* be asking people to either justify their posts or rescind them.

jayod30

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FingalAirsoft

Whats wrong is that past committees had done some great work only for it to be undone by a few idiots, opening this thread to allow people with a grip to rant in the form of a question:(:(

Anyone that knows me knows I've no great love for the IAA, As I did see it as a little stupid clique.... having said that there is some good people at the helm now who I know are trying to save it and make it better and more transparent. Times have changed people but as we all know the sport can be in danger at the whim of a minster, and we all know that they only go with popular opinion/ knee jerk politics.

We as Airsofters/plinkers/collectors/Sites ops and retailers still need a unified voice when idiots start to sling the s**t our way.
Sites needs a proper set of standards to adhere to and Retailers need to operate with a good set of ethics and morals, Selling cheap springers to kids in markets/high street shops needs to stop as they are only in it for the money and not for the sport!

We as Airsofters/plinkers/collectors/Sites ops and retailers don't need to know every fcuking little detail that goes on in the IAA, because demanding every little detail be logged and made public just increases the work load on the committee who have a life as well.
What we need is a unified voice that's there to step in when ****s going down or the sport is being attacked by idiots with nothing better to do!
Wipe the slate clean and stop looking back at past failures.... if you love this sport then get behind the new committee and give them fresh ideas on how to better the sports image and make it better for everyone concerned.
This whole thread is heading for a train wreck when the title is 'What's wrong with the IAA' Why can't it be 'How do we make it better'
Fingal Airsoft has never been an affiliate to the IAA along with a few other sites like Red Barn.... that does not mean past and present committee have not asked us how do we make things better.
Stop the s**t slinging and just maybe they can get on with the business of promoting and looking out for Airsoft.

Bren

SYDEWYNDER

Whats wrong with the IAA? Its members. Not all of them. Just the ones who can't let go of past mistakes. I'm not a member and I have no intention of joining until its membership base stop constantly lashing it.

This is a fresh start. Transparency and honesty is already becoming apparent. I hope soon we see the IAA's membership's attitude improves.

Move on gents.

Kashkai

Perhaps I'm being pedantic but maybe the acronym needs to change, i.e. "IAA" stands for:
Irish Aviation Authority (my former employers)
Irish Alcoholics Anonymous (no affiliation on my part)
International Adoption Association (Ireland)
Irish Autism Action
International Advertising Association

So perhaps, to stand out from the crowded IAA field, change the name to something original like "Association of Irish Airsofters (AIA)" or "Airsoft Association of Ireland (AAI)".

As Bren said, forget the past, move on and see what happens. If the same people, with the same attitudes (or so I've heard) keep on with the same old, same old, then bitch away.

senordingdong

Problem I always saw was that they IAA weren't more vocal about their accomplishments or all the the hard work and long hours that they put in.
There are too many who have no idea what the IAA do other than take the fight back to Joe Duffy.

Whatever problems people have with IAA past or present, we would not have airsoft as we know it today without them.

It seems like a thankless job to nobody wants to do but everyone wants to complain about

TheDoc

So let me get this straight, there is a thread for people to post "questions" to the IAA, yet there is to be no discussions about said questions?

I'm not understanding this really, its a discussion forum. As a community, and a DISCUSSION FORUM, we should be able to discuss other posters points. WE should be able to challenge opinion. Not just hand people a free rant with no comeback.

So can this be elaborated please?

There are multiple avenues of communication to the IAA, if anyone has questions they want to raise, they know how to raise them. This is just giving a free pass to let people have a rant and bust out a controversy.

Steve

Doc, this is a thread to facilitate the users of this forum and to give them an opportunity to be heard by those who will be elected to represent their interests nationally.

There is no discussion because, simply, with issues such as this, airsofters on the internet can't agree on the colour of shíte and any points raised will be lost through bickering.

An opportunity will be given for those interested in carrying forth the torch as elected officials to respond and address any points raised in a structured manner and on our terms. In summary, if you don't like what I'm doing here then you don't have to continue reading it, however, I am not going to deny the users of this forum their say.

TheDoc

Steve wrote: »

Doc, this is a thread to facilitate the users of this forum and to give them an opportunity to be heard by those who will be elected to represent their interests nationally.

There is no discussion because, simply, with issues such as this, airsofters on the internet can't agree on the colour of shíte and any points raised will be lost through bickering.

An opportunity will be given for those interested in carrying forth the torch as elected officials to respond and address any points raised in a structured manner and on our terms. In summary, if you don't like what I'm doing here then you don't have to continue reading it, however, I am not going to deny the users of this forum their say.

http://www.irishairsoft.ie/forum/viewforum.php?f=32

And yeah, I've ZERO interest. So I'll keep out of it

Steve

As I said, it's for this forum, not the IAA one

tonymccann

one more thing that is wrong why do the people involved always see the need to go on the defensive the whole time when some one questions them or their work just something I have noticed instead of circling the wagons why cant you just listen and if need be say sorry just something I have noticed posts above just prove this

The_Outlaw

Steve wrote: »

OK, following on from a lot on private messages, it seems there is a lot of things that people would like to say / get off their chest.

It seems to me that, given there is a new committee due to be elected, they should know what they're in for.

In an attempt to be fair to all, please use this thread to put whatever questions you may have on public record.

There are a few rules though.

* you may ask any question you would like the IAA to answer

* you may not quote or answer anybody on this thread.

* you may not disagree with anybody's question.

* you may not discuss anyone else's question.

* The IAA may post answers here directly or they can post anon via a pm to any of the mods here.

In short, you may pose a reasonable question to the IAA that you would like answered and I personally will do my best to get an answer.

I really hope this will work, it will if we all muck in

The_ChiefDUB wrote: »

If you would like to get an answer from the IAA committee the best place to put the question is and always has been on the IAA forum at www.irishairsoft.ie or by emailing info@irishairsoft.ie. The IAA forum is also where the official discussions related to the AGM, the nominees for the new committee and the motions which have been put forward by members are bing held.
You can also email us through Facebook on the IAA Facebook page.
I do my very best to answer all questions through these channels as quickly as possible.

Thanks
Fabio
IAA PRO

I am all for giving the New IAA committee a chance, but one observation seems to come to mind as the first two posts clearly show.

Steve started a thread giving members the opportunity to voice questions and opinions and then Fabio counters that by stating that the way to do things is different. This makes it look like the IAA is divided or have different opinions on how things should be run. It also makes it look weak due to the same reasons.

I suggest that the best way to install confidence is to be united and open to your membership. Only then will you ever achieve your goals.

The_Outlaw

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sliabh

This is a train wreck of a thread. People can make any unsubstantiated claim (for or against the IAA) and it can only be responded to by the IAA, who have said they will not take part because of the ground rules that have been put in place.

It's time to kill it.

fayer

The_Outlaw wrote: »

Steve started a thread giving members the opportunity to voice questions and opinions and then Fabio counters that by stating that the way to do things is different. This makes it look like the IAA is divided or have different opinions on how things should be run. It also makes it look weak due to the same reasons.

Steve is nothing to do with the IAA. He is not speaking on the associations behalf.

*DOBBY*

I find this thread farsical at best and the rantings of a few posters who obviously harbour old grudges with previous IAA committee members. Every year around the same time for the AGM, the same old nay sayers come rattling out of their boxes to try stir up sh1t. Repeating the same old rubbish crap over and over. I generally never give credence to these but I take exception to them been given a 'restricted, one way platform' to have their annual delusional rants.
Why don't these same nay saying posters join up for membership and run for a committee position. Its very easy to give out about one thing or another, but its a whole different ball game to put your money where your mouth is and stand for a position to make the changes you want to see. As far as I'm concerned your viewpoint holds no weight or credence as you wont actively take part in the reform of what we all want to see.
One of the main nay sayers or disgruntled posters was a previous Vice Chair(fair play for standing) but why did you not try and effect changes that you so grumble about. One could look at that and say you were part of the same problem that you are giving out about.
Another poster Tony , who was willing to run said he was put of by comments to him, but I could not find any comments that were negative to you Tony, and instead you then choose the side of giving out about the IAA instead of trying to effect the change you too want.
Now the way I see this is one of too ways, you either give a sh1t about Airsoft and its future OR you don't. Those that are on the committee have been working very hard to try and undo past IAA years of wilderness. They have achieved in sorting out the membership debacle and have the process sorted. They want to see change as much as all of us. Do not knock peolpe who are trying to improve what in most peoples minds is as being broken or defunct, We should only look toward the future of our sport and only reference the past as for 'what not to do'.
This constant call for transparency and updates is a load of tripe. Bren said it best in his post, We dont need to know every little thing that goes on, they have real lives too. Again its very easy to be a hurler on the ditch but not as easy to do something about it.

I've a pain in my face with the posters who repeatedly come on and spin the same old sh1t and I'm sick of it. So just give it a rest. You need to look very close at yourself and have a real good look.

We need to work as best we can as a community, not this bickering and snide comments back and forth.The IAA for one reason or another has a bad rep, be it justified or not, but peolpe/players who want to try and change and improve its image are not being given a chance. Thus giving false info to new players into the sport. So lets everyone forget about the past and move forward.

And Steve 'stop being a dick' starting these ridiculous threads with ridiculous restrictions on posting. Its VERY transparent.

I would appreciate no deleting or editing from mods, in the interest of Transparency. Thank you.

Damian
Red Barn

hrta

This constant call for transparency and rigorous audits, is the only way it can be, or the iaa will be just like a lot of the institutes of this irish state, and look what went on there, and this is only coming to light now, and i say, i could name every arm of the state, these institutes never done transparency, and look were that got us to this day,

so if you want all those posters who obviously harbour old grudges with the previous IAA, the same old nay Sayers that come rattling out of their boxes, trying to stir up sh1t, Repeating the same old rubbish crap over and over,
transparency, transparency, transparency.

And it would make you laugh to just think about that for a sec, as it was the same the same old nay sayers that come rattling out of their boxes, trying to stir up sh1t, Repeating the same old rubbish and crap over and over again, That just some of these state institutes to own up to there wrong doing's in the past, to people of this state,

So it's all about transparency and rigorous audits, that will be seen to be fair and transparent inside and outside, and all investigations should be by
an Independent body out side of the Iaa, as is the case of all state body's now.


i could say more, But you give's a **** any more.

Paul.

andy_g

The only thing i will say here is that other people are right and the iaa does need to be more transparent, and let it's member's see what is actually going on.

As it currently stand the iaa are saying they represent every airsofter in Ireland yet maybe there is some that dont want to be represented by them?

Why you might ask as some may not understand what the iaa is or does or maybe thy dont like what they see.

So what do i think is wrong? I currently think the iaa try to shout down its members that challenge them or say something they dont like again if it was more transparent more people may join and say "Ah thats what the iaa are doing.

Ah thats what they are going to do or thats what they did for me"

It's not too difficult to tell the member and future members whats planned or what the have in the pipeline.

This is one thing i can think of at the moment and is my opinion not one of boards.ie before people say oh he is a mod.

sci-ops

Been biting my tongue for the past couple of days reading this..

Firstly, I am NOT a member of the IAA, currently that is. This has been down to both my previous involvement with a retailer and my dislike for some of the things which went on with PREVIOUS Committee's, in particular the handling of Memberships around Volunteer work, namely the Salute Show. But that is/was covered in other thread's at length.

I will wait to see who VOLUNTEERS and gets nominated for positions before making a decision on joining this year. (for those missing the subtle hint, these people are volunteer's, giving up their free time)

Reading the posts, the majority of gripes seem to be about making the IAA more transparent.....or as Andy just said in his last post....letting people see what the IAA are doing, so let's have a look at this shall we.

The current committee, from what I can see, have been placing regular updates on the IAA's homepage, with document's of meetings also being posted, on a nearly monthly basis. This is a damn sight more than previous committees have been doing. I point this out as the current committee was/is an emergency committee, which was formed in July after a number of resignations.

Their first posting was on August 9th, informing people of what's going on.....with a number of other posts, including Agenda's which the committee were taking on, throughout August. In fact, looking at their website, the only Month I can see which was quiet for them was October....

There have been constant and consistent updates from this current committee, which from what I can see/read, were informing both members and non-members of developments, decisions etc....

I find this whole argument that the IAA needs to be MORE Transparent farcical at best (I was going to say debate, but it's not even close to a debate). Bar holding daily/weekly/monthly meetings for all Member's/Non-Memebers to attend, I fail to see how they could possibly get more transparent. It would imagine it also infeasible for them to do this, not only for the logistics of getting every member there, but also the costs involved with renting/hiring a location.

Rant over. I apologise to the more civil minded amongst you.

jayod30

andy_g wrote: »

The only thing i will say here is that other people are right and the iaa does need to be more transparent, and let it's member's see what is actually going on.

sci-ops wrote: »

The current committee, from what I can see, have been placing regular updates on the IAA's homepage, with document's of meetings also being posted, on a nearly monthly basis. This is a damn sight more than previous committees have been doing. I point this out as the current committee was/is an emergency committee, which was formed in July after a number of resignations.

Their first posting was on August 9th, informing people of what's going on.....with a number of other posts, including Agenda's which the committee were taking on, throughout August. In fact, looking at their website, the only Month I can see which was quiet for them was October....

There have been constant and consistent updates from this current committee, which from what I can see/read, were informing both members and non-members of developments, decisions etc....

Thanks sci-ops for pointing this out, you've pretty much covered just what I had wanted to say. The transparency is there on the official website for all to see if they were half bothered to look rather than going off half cocked. The current committee should be applauded for their hard work and effort over such a small period of time, not ridiculed at every opportunity.

senordingdong

Can anybody elaborate on this transparency that everyone is talking about?

It's a group of volunteers, not a bank.

eversmann

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se conman

Transparency in airsoft means that those who won't stand for committee because they don't have time or are too lazy or are too paranoid want those who do stand for committee even thou they don't have time to inform the public of every little tad of info no matter how trivial thus wasting more time they didn't have to the point of heckling which has prompted several committee members to resign , myself included. A past shop owner actually threatened me and the IAA with legal action because of a feud he was having with another party. That was enough for me as it showed these people in their true light and they are no friends of airsoft. There was around 14 people at the last EGM , where were all the people that are looking for this transparency ? If you cannot be bothered to join the IAA or help them , then don't hinder them.

Lemming

If you - as a former committee member conman - have such a jaded notion as to what transparency should be and why it is so important, then you really shouldn't have stood in the first place.

When someone stands for election they are asking the community to allow them to speak on behalf of said community. They become the defacto 'face' of the community to the outside world. That's on top of asking the community for fees on a yearly basis. Transparency is fundamental as a result. Without it, there is no trust. And without trust, there is no decisive will on the part of the airsoft community to throw its weight behind the IAA.

It's not about people "wasting time", or being "trivial", or "heckling", or any other b*llocks. IAA committee membership does not have a monopoly on all the crap that happens to someone voted into office, be it the local neighbourhood watch, the IAA, or Dail Eireann. It's not nice, but neither will it ever be plain sailing as you proclaim to speak on behalf of others. You will & should be held accountable.

If you want to see what transparency really is: I direct you towards the UKAPU website. By comparison, the IAA have been lacking in official communications by and large over the years. With the exception of the 2009 committee who posted plenty of minutes, albeit mostly for the first quarter of 2009, the only other committee to have shown any consistent activity has been the interim committee from mid/late 2012.

It's all about letting the membership (who have paid and chosen to elect you to speak for them, remember ... ) know what you have been saying/doing on their behalf. That doesn't mean blow-by-blow updates on twitter/facebook/et.all, but it does mean showing some signs of a pulse & activity in an official capacity on a reasonably frequently basis.

As an aside, "official" does not constitute social media activity. Quite the opposite.

On matter of the thread itself, I would like to hear from the candidates on concerns that some of their election ideas sound a bit grand and ignore the failures of the past. I refer of course to the failure to get much traction on the regional representatives by past committees and the desire to launch "branches" and "promotional wings" etc. What has changed since previous committees tried to launch the regional representative idea to make such ideas a success? Has any thought been given to creating a confusing message of two entities appearing to compete to give information in the form of the IAA and a promotional wing that has a different brand name? Have any shops bought into the notion of hosting branches? Also, has any costing been applied to the notion of branches and promotional wings?

I would also like to query the tiered membership idea and whether or not it will add needless bureaucracy, and what pricing is envisaged for the various tiers (excluding the free tier), and what would happen if the majority of membership sign-ups were for the free option? Also, why make shops & sites pay for affiliation. Once they pay, they are no longer affiliates, they are members.

extremetaz

Super honesty eh???? .... fair enough.

The problem isn't with the IAA at all and it never has been - it's with the community it represents.

Barring a very small few, you're all thankless egotists dying to be known for your opinions and willing to do f*ck all to earn any such recognition.

I love the sport of airsoft, but I have long since grown to despise the vast majority of those who would claim to be advocates and ambassadors for it on here.

You all need to take a very good look at yourselves because it is YOU who are the problem, not the body established to protect the sport that you so freely enjoy.

Those who are exceptions to the above know who you are, you've genuinely made attempt to help better the community, you've put your shoulder to the wheel at events, you've united for the good of the community rather than for your own petty self interest - you are retailers, site owners, former and serving committee members, and constructive community figureheads, whether members of the IAA or not - you people know who you are.

...the rest of you - the self interested, the social commentators, the armchair generals - YOU are the problem! (and by christ there's a lot of you).

hrta

Sorry for having to post this in boards, and the Mod's in here,
but i cant get a reply from the IAA, and they don't have a postal address that i could send the invoice to, and i know i will get a reply from them here on boards, so i am sorry again to boards and the Mod's to have to use you like this, Sorry.

Paul.



Hi Irish Airsoft Association,

I still have this out standing invoice, it's now over 2 and half year, could you please pay this invoice in the next 5 days, or i will have to add in a late payment for every day it is over due, thank's.

Regards,

Paul Carey.

Faolchu

yeah coz their postal address is "www.boards.ie, the internet":rolleyes:

fayer

hrta wrote: »

Sorry for having to post this in boards, and the Mod's in here,
but i cant get a reply from the IAA, and they don't have a postal address that i could send the invoice to, and i know i will get a reply from them here on boards, so i am sorry again to boards and the Mod's to have to use you like this, Sorry.

Paul.



Hi Irish Airsoft Association,

I still have this out standing invoice, it's now over 2 and half year, could you please pay this invoice in the next 5 days, or i will have to add in a late payment for every day it is over due, thank's.

Regards,

Paul Carey.

They do have a postal address that is available on request, they also have a wonderful new technology called e-mail that will instantly have your communication sent directly to their inbox, this "e-mail address" is available on their website. However being a former member of that body I know you already have this address and have used it many times.

Interesting you post publicly instead of direct communications???? I also see you posted this on Facebook <Snip> Impartial much?



Its a joke that people still post here when they want to communicate with the IAA when its been stated that the IAA will not engage on this forum. I guess this is simply the place to be for the to have a digg at the IAA.

Faolchu

fayer wrote: »

They do have a postal address that is available on request, they also have a wonderful new technology called e-mail that will instantly have your communication sent directly to their inbox, this "e-mail address" is available on their website. However being a former member of that body I know you already have this address and have used it many times.

Interesting you post publicly instead of direct communications???? I also see you posted this on Facebook and that one of the Mod's here is supportive of your digg at the IAA..... Impartial much?



Its a joke that people still post here when they want to communicate with the IAA when its been stated that the IAA will not engage on this forum. I guess this is simply the place to be for the to have a digg at the IAA.

he also posted it in the IAA forums a couple of times too. Boards.ie home of the anti IAA mob

S.E.A.L.s

Faolchu wrote: »

he also posted it in the IAA forums a couple of times too. Boards.ie home of the anti IAA mob

Can we please not generalise a few unobjective individuals, as there are people in the Boards.ie Airsoft community who have nothing but positive opinions regarding the IAA

Myself included

Faolchu

I'd agree with you there are a select number of users here that are very anti IAA and from what i can see the the mods of the airsoft forum also appear to be cut from the same cloth.

I've seen certain individuals raise old issues and bad mouth the IAA with what appears to be impunity.christ these individuals even moan that the IAA doesn't conduct its business on boards.ie even though its invested in its own forum. I'm sure if tehy duid conduct business here then they'd be moaning about teh moneu spent of teh IAA forum going to waste :rolleyes:

but I take back the sweeping generalization, there are people here that are involved with and support the IAA, but it appears to me that the site itself via the core group mentioned are very anti IAA

Gatling

So speaking up about the IAA makes you anti IAA ,

TheDoc

Gatling wrote: »

So speaking up about the IAA makes you anti IAA ,

When its baseless rubbish, yeah..it does...

darren ff

To be honest guys I'm not pro or anti iAA but if they do have a genuine outstanding payment they should at least contact the effected party with a very least yes, no or feck off your not getting paid. This limbo nonsense does nothing to promote all they good work they do as a professional organisation.
We all know as users of the airsoft forum that our (user) name is our word and a bad sales review can really send people running the wrong way.
I don't agree with Hrta airing dirty laundry either but at least he is communicating with them.
I am very much aware that the iAA have mentioned time and again that they will not respond here so I think I'm typing just for the sake of it at this stage but one thing is certain I won't be paying for membership to an organisation that has no interest keeping its name and reputation intact.
Again I don't know the whole story here between the two parties , and the IAA could have a legitimate reason for refusing payment ....... All they have to do is create a voice .

Ill get off my soapbox now.

fayer

darren ff wrote: »

I don't agree with Hrta airing dirty laundry either but at least he is communicating with them.

Mailing the association is communicating, posting on a forum is not.

darren ff wrote: »

I am very much aware that the iAA have mentioned time and again that they will not respond here so I think I'm typing just for the sake of it at this stage but one thing is certain I won't be paying for membership to an organisation that has no interest keeping its name and reputation intact.

I have no idea what you are talking about here, the IAA is very responsive to public query's and has worked hard to remove any issues it had and has been successful to that end. Much work as gone into its name and rep, but you need to look outside this forum to see it.

darren ff

Do you know if they have responded to Hrta?

Faolchu

Gatling wrote: »

So speaking up about the IAA makes you anti IAA ,

not at all. it the way that the opinion aired continually time and again that makes said opinion in my view anti IAA. time and again committee members are tarred with the same brush and blamed on the wrongs of previous committee members. since i've started in airosft there have been at least two committees and both have been blamed on the wrongs of before even though they themselves were not involved in it.

as mentioned they respond to those that contact them directly through their official channels. would you expect say the GAA or FAI to respond to queries on Boards.ie? if not then why expect the IAA to do so?

for paul to come on here and air what is a business transaction is in my opinion very unprofessional. if he has a legitimate business complaint then conduct it as a business via the correct channels. posting on facebook and boards is akin to throwing your toys out of the pram, hell bringing it up on the IAA forums is IMO unprofessional as its related to a business transaction. the IAA is a registered body with a registered address and publicized contact details. if paul has tried these to no avail then there are other legal channels for him to follow via the courts services; instead he decided to air it on a public forum.

the IAAs reputation today is IMO intact, its the actions of those that hold grudges and cant let go of the past for what ever reason that is tarnishing it. Why should anyone want to be involved in an association that gets mud slung at it no matter what it does? how can an association actually do any good when it has to constantly defend itself against the same accusations time and again? the last committe tried to mend bridges, I would hope that they have achieved that and I would hope that they would continue along that path.

the only way progress can be made is if people let go of the ways of the past, leave the past where it belongs, draw a line in the sand and be bloody well done with it. if you cant then just ignore the IAA. there's no requirement for any airsofter to be a member so its actions in general have no impact upon you unless its to do with assisting the nation in enacting/modifying legislation and promoting the sport.

Faolchu

darren ff wrote: »

Do you know if they have responded to Hrta?

would that not be between them and HRTA?

darren ff

Faolchu wrote: »

would that not be between them and HRTA?

I know what your saying , but it's said "there's no such thing as bad press " but sometimes there just is. Would an option or interest to correspond not be mutually beneficial ?

Faolchu

darren ff wrote: »

Would an option or interest to correspond not be mutually beneficial ?

of course dialog would be beneficial to both parties, and for all you know the IAA have responded and HRTA just doesnt like their answer.

two way dialog is a necessity BUT it must be through the correct channels Boards.ie is not the correct way to conduct dialog with the IAA, and that is from the horses mouth. What I can say is I have emailed them recently and received a response from them within 60 minutes. that's indicative of them communicating. Any time I've contacted them they responded within 24 hours at the most.


Now the issue in question is best conducted directly with the IAA and not over an internet forum of any kind because of what it involves. by his account HRTA provided services to the IAA and is alleging he has not been paid. that is not the sort of thing that you discuss in the open, its a business transaction and should be dealt with in that manner. would you expect say the Red Cow to come on here to ask for payment of their invoice for the AGM? as a business they wouldn't, all communications would be formal and through the proper channels, an invoice, followed by an email or three followed by a few phone calls, after that demand letters and finally the courts if the invoice was not paid. That is how business transactions work.

I've no association with the IAA and am not even a member but I can say that all HRTA seems to do when the subject of the IAA comes up is piss and moan about them. so maybe if they are ignoring him there's a valid reason, just saying.

darren ff

I did say in an earlier post that I did not know the whole story and I also stated that the IAA may have valid reason for refusing payment. I also implied that this wasn't the proper channel to conduct this argument ( dirty laundry) , by Paul's account he has stated that he has contacted the IAA numerous times without response (again only by his post) so I was hoping to generate discussion with this topic and hopefully hear both parties ( thanks to the lads for posting their opinions).
Technically It is none of my business ( before its pointed out to me) but I felt that as this matter is now out in the open it is fair game for discussion.
I also do believe that a member or official of the IAA should jump on here and give their opinion, of course I'm not looking for sensitive information ( again since I'm not a member I have no right to ask) but something like ; "hey such and such from the IAA here please pm me to discuss this matter "
This is a discussion forum so ALL parties should have their voice or all that will be left is fabrication and ignorance

Faolchu

darren ff wrote: »

so I was hoping to generate discussion with this topic and hopefully hear both parties ( thanks to the lads for posting their opinions).................

but alas you wont get a fair discussion, in my opinion. some people cant let go of the past

darren ff wrote: »

I also do believe that a member or official of the IAA should jump on here and give their opinion, ..........but something like ; "hey such and such from the IAA here please pm me to discuss this matter "
This is a discussion forum so ALL parties should have their voice or all that will be left is fabrication and ignorance

yes it is a discussion forum however its NOT the IAAs forum and that is the crux of teh issue here. time and again IAA discussions have come up and they fall into chaos because the same people take it off topic (see HRTA's Recent post we're talking about now for example), the same mud is slung and then the same mods become bias and start modifying posts, banning people and locking threads.

there's a reason the IAA have decided to not use boards.ie and I agree with them all you need to do is look at past discussions.

darren ff

Will do, in the end I can only take what has been said at face value from both parties , I'm not affiliated with either side but as a regular joe soap airsofter all I can do is respond to what I see , and from what I thought was a reluctance from one party not to be heard made me interested in this topic,
But your are right it does warrant further investigation.

jayod30

fayer wrote: »

Mailing the association is communicating, posting on a forum is not.

110% agree

fayer wrote: »

the IAA is very responsive to public query's and has worked hard to remove any issues it had and has been successful to that end. Much work as gone into its name and rep, but you need to look outside this forum to see it.

@darren fayer is spot on here. Before Berget last year myself and a few others who were travelling SAS had concerns about travelling with aegs as management from the airline didn't really know themselves what the company policies were when it came to transporting aegs. After contacting the IAA to get advice, one of their representatives (won't mention names on public forum) passed on all relevant information at his disposal along with his mobile number so if we encountered any problems at check in to ring him and he would travel to airport (said he lived 20 or so mins away) and talk to management to try to work out any problems and allay any concerns they may have. Thankfully there wasn't an issue, but to know that help was at hand was some sort of relief. And not forgetting, this committee member was someone who volunteered his own time, like the rest, while having job and family commitments aswell.

These are things you certainly won't hear about on this forum, mostly people attacking the IAA because of issues they've had in the past, mostly people that won't be bothered their ass to put themselves forward when it comes to voting in new committees, to right all the so called wrongs they see with the IAA.

Sure jesus christ, the new committee isn't even a month old and already you have people trying to to stir the ****. It's nothing short of disgraceful.

Gatling

TheDoc wrote: »

When its baseless rubbish, yeah..it does...

Were you the same poster who came onto boards.ie to accuse the IAA of tarnishing your reputation after asking a mate on a committee to make your service as a webmaster available to the IAA ,

didnt you also come onto boards.ie to post about headbutting /loafing another airsoft player at an IAA affiliated site,
Now history has shown the first people to use the baseless allegation excuse is usually the first admit to there was wrong doing, and is followed by public apologies and various pubic appearance's I didn't know it was happening