The awkward moment when you punch a scumbag and he doesn't get back up

Topper Harley · 07-06-2013 12:52PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I'll go with a medal, just because she is a gard doesn't mean she has to stand there taking punches, every human has a right to defend themselves, wish she beat him further.

Ah, but then then actually would have been police brutality.

bumper234 · 07-06-2013 12:53PM

old hippy wrote: »

You asked "What experience do you have that makes it ok for you to criticize the actions of the guard in question? "

I gave my experience. As for what I would do, if I was a Garda? I'm not a Garda so that straw man thing doesn't really fly...

I also asked you how you would have handled that situation but you choose not to answer that claiming straw man attributes to the question. So in the context you have never been in that situation so you cannot criticize the actions of the guard. Being "manhandled" or "on the receiving end of garda brutality" is a different situation to being surrounded by a (possibly) drunken and violent mob!

.jacksparrow. · 07-06-2013 12:54PM

Topper Harley wrote: »

Ah, but then then actually would have been police brutality.

So what, he might think twice about doing it again, or maybe not.

old hippy · 07-06-2013 12:55PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I'll go with a medal, just because she is a gard doesn't mean she has to stand there taking punches, every human has a right to defend themselves, wish she beat him further.

Within an inch of his life, or until he was a bloody pulp bleeding out onto the street?

You should join the force, I think you have what it takes.

old hippy · 07-06-2013 12:57PM

bumper234 wrote: »

I also asked you how you would have handled that situation but you choose not to answer that claiming straw man attributes to the question. So in the context you have never been in that situation so you cannot criticize the actions of the guard. Being "manhandled" or "on the receiving end of garda brutality" is a different situation to being surrounded by a (possibly) drunken and violent mob!

We're going round in circles here. I am not a trained Gard, so I cannot make that kind of decision. However, it is my right to criticise what I saw as "excessive force". Doesn't mean I excuse the behaviour of the teenager.

.jacksparrow. · 07-06-2013 12:57PM

old hippy wrote: »

Within an inch of his life, or until he was a bloody pulp bleeding out onto the street?

You should join the force, I think you have what it takes.

Inch of his life would please me. He was throwing punches first, did he give any thought that one of those punches could have been fatal. Happens all the time. You do know you can kill someone from one punch?

So no he didn't really think of that or maybe that's what he wanted to do, who knows.

Uriel. · 07-06-2013 01:02PM

old hippy wrote: »

We're going round in circles here. I am not a trained Gard, so I cannot make that kind of decision. However, it is my right to criticise what I saw as "excessive force". Doesn't mean I excuse the behaviour of the teenager.

Why not just be honest and say you have a problem with Gardai and authority generally.

That's what permeates your posts.

I am qualified to criticise something but don't ask me to justify that criticism or propose a "better" way of doing it, because I am not qualified to do that. :rolleyes:

old hippy · 07-06-2013 01:02PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Inch of his life would please me. He was throwing punches first, did he give any thought that one of those punches could have been fatal. Happens all the time. You do know you can kill someone from one punch?

So no he didn't really think of that or maybe that's what he wanted to do, who knows.

Yes, I know you can die from one punch. I'm not defending the teen but I'm not into the kind of excessive force dished out to him, either.

Topper Harley · 07-06-2013 01:02PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

So what, he might think twice about doing it again, or maybe not.

It's a slippery slope. I'm 100% against police brutality, I just don't think think that in this example there was excessive force used.

If the Gardaí or any police force have a reputation as not using excessive force, people will give them the benefit of the doubt instead of automatically crying "police brutality" any time a Garda is involved in an altercation.

bumper234 · 07-06-2013 01:03PM

old hippy wrote: »

We're going round in circles here. I am not a trained Gard, so I cannot make that kind of decision. However, it is my right to criticise what I saw as "excessive force". Doesn't mean I excuse the behaviour of the teenager.

And this is the problem, I bet if you were there you would have been screaming at the guard about brutality and such even though you have no clue what had happened previously.

You obviously have a severe hatred/lack of respect for any sort of authority figure and no matter what anyone says here you will never budge on your deep rooted opinion. I actually feel sorry for you because one day you may need a guard to step in and do exactly what that one in the vid was doing to save you.

Uriel. · 07-06-2013 01:03PM

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, I know you can die from one punch. I'm not defending the teen but I'm not into the kind of excessive force dished out to him, either.

explain how there was excessive force? or are you not qualified to do so?

bumper234 · 07-06-2013 01:04PM

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, I know you can die from one punch. I'm not defending the teen but I'm not into the kind of excessive force dished out to him, either.

Please point out the part that was "excessive"

.jacksparrow. · 07-06-2013 01:05PM

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, I know you can die from one punch. I'm not defending the teen but I'm not into the kind of excessive force dished out to him, either.

What excessive force? please give an example, the gard defender herself, she fought fire with fire, that's all she could do.

Excessive force I think not.

Grayditch · 07-06-2013 01:05PM

Uriel. wrote: »

explain how there was excessive force? or are you not qualified to do so?

Check mate.

It wasn't me! · 07-06-2013 01:07PM

old hippy wrote: »

We're going round in circles here. I am not a trained Gard, so I cannot make that kind of decision. However, it is my right to criticise what I saw as "excessive force". Doesn't mean I excuse the behaviour of the teenager.

Hang on, you're not a trained Garda, therefore you can't make a decision on the appropriate response to that situation, but, on the basis of absolutely nothing, you *are* equipped to determine that the person who *is* a trained Garda is responding incorrectly. Riiight. No, despite your claims earlier, that you're not anti-Gardai, that's complete bollocks. Especially when you make snide little insinuations like this.

You should join the force, I think you have what it takes.

You're within your rights to criticise, but unless you're prepared to offer the basis for your criticism, it's not going to be taken seriously, realistically, and you're going to come across as a crank.

old hippy · 07-06-2013 01:07PM

Uriel. wrote: »

Why not just be honest and say you have a problem with Gardai and authority generally.

That's what permeates your posts.

I am qualified to criticise something but don't ask me to justify that criticism or propose a "better" way of doing it, because I am not qualified to do that. :rolleyes:

Here we go again. I have a problem with Garda and Met using excessive force. I'm not going to repeat for the umpteenth time what happened to me on several different occasions. Nor how an ex of mine and her mum were intimidated by police officers. Nor how another ex was racially abused by officers.

It's the dodgy, have a go bad apples I don't care for. For the record, I have socialised with mates in the past who were in the Garda, I've even slept with one

. I have a mate over here who's in the force and we meet every week for drinks.

old hippy · 07-06-2013 01:07PM

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Hang on, you're not a trained Garda, therefore you can't make a decision on the appropriate response to that situation, but, on the basis of absolutely nothing, you *are* equipped to determine that the person who *is* a trained Garda is responding incorrectly. Riiight. No, despite your claims earlier, that you're not anti-Gardai, that's complete bollocks. Especially when you make snide little insinuations like this.

You're within your rights to criticise, but unless you're prepared to offer the basis for your criticism, it's not going to be taken seriously, realistically, and you're going to come across as a crank.

See above post

.jacksparrow. · 07-06-2013 01:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

Here we go again. I have a problem with Garda and Met using excessive force. I'm not going to repeat for the umpteenth time what happened to me on several different occasions. Nor how an ex of mine and her mum were intimidated by police officers. Nor how another ex was racially abused by officers.

It's the dodgy, have a go bad apples I don't care for. For the record, I have socialised with mates in the past who were in the Garda, I've even slept with one . I have a mate over here who's in the force and we meet every week for drinks.

Could he not get it up!

old hippy · 07-06-2013 01:10PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Could he not get it up!

He's a Met officer, I slept with a Gard.

Anyways, enough personal info. I have business to attend to. See you in the funny papers

.jacksparrow. · 07-06-2013 01:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

He's a Met officer, I slept with a Gard.

Anyways, enough personal info. I have business to attend to. See you in the funny papers

Funny papers....

FTA69 · 07-06-2013 01:13PM

I don't like the cops at all and think there are endemic problems within them of corruption, classism and general unprofessionalism. As a hoary old leftist I'm also conscious of the fact that as a force they're there to defend the status quo and the power disparity that comes with it.

I'm also conscious of the fact that some people are f*ck-bags who need a good f*cking slap and if you drunkenly attack a female police officer who's dealing with a rowdy little sh*t then a few digs are probably deserved.

Grayditch · 07-06-2013 01:14PM

Well that got awkward, but it allowed for a quick escape when things got tough.

Maybe that's what the Ban Garda should have done. "Stop hitting me kid, and I'll tell you about my Copper Face Jacks exploits"

Uriel. · 07-06-2013 01:18PM

old hippy wrote: »

Here we go again. I have a problem with Garda and Met using excessive force. I'm not going to repeat for the umpteenth time what happened to me on several different occasions. Nor how an ex of mine and her mum were intimidated by police officers. Nor how another ex was racially abused by officers.

It's the dodgy, have a go bad apples I don't care for. For the record, I have socialised with mates in the past who were in the Garda, I've even slept with one . I have a mate over here who's in the force and we meet every week for drinks.

It's a funny old world. I often wonder how some people experience all of the "bad" end of the law directly, and know so many people to have all of these bad experiences around them, and other people, like me for instance, have never experienced this nor know of anyone in their family or close circle of friends and colleagues.

It's either people invite trouble on themselves and socialise with similarly minded

or else
people feel a police officer asking a question is excessive/abuse of powers

senordingdong · 07-06-2013 01:19PM

****ing left wing liberal nonsense.

Sooner or later we are going to have a police force that will be utterly impotent to actually fight crime.
There will come a day when Gardaí won't get involved in an incident for fear of losing their jobs as a result of moronic do-gooder complaints like these.

bumper234 · 07-06-2013 01:20PM

old hippy wrote: »

Here we go again. I have a problem with Garda and Met using excessive force. I'm not going to repeat for the umpteenth time what happened to me on several different occasions. Nor how an ex of mine and her mum were intimidated by police officers. Nor how another ex was racially abused by officers.

It's the dodgy, have a go bad apples I don't care for. For the record, I have socialised with mates in the past who were in the Garda, I've even slept with one . I have a mate over here who's in the force and we meet every week for drinks.

So because you have had a bad experience you tar all with the same brush? Oh and judging by your previous posts i am guessing you have had grief from doormen and that has manifested yet more hatred for authority? Here's a tip. Clean yourself up, get a hair cut and drop the attitude and maybe just maybe you can get into the posh bars.

If that does not suit you then fine but please don't try to force your hippy liberal crap on the rest of us (who by the way are happy they didn't let you in

) Nice duck and weave on the questions btw you run along and find some teenagers creating havoc. Maybe you can get them to start a sing-a-long circle??? A few choruses of Kum-by-ya my lord should sort them out back on the straight and narrow....let us know how you get on ok

Pappa Charlie · 07-06-2013 01:20PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I don't like the cops at all and think there are endemic problems within them of corruption, classism and general unprofessionalism. As a hoary old leftist I'm also conscious of the fact that as a force they're there to defend the status quo and the power disparity that comes with it.

I'm also conscious of the fact that some people are f*ck-bags who need a good f*cking slap and if you drunkenly attack a female police officer who's dealing with a rowdy little sh*t then a few digs are probably deserved.

As long as its not you or your mates its ok

It wasn't me! · 07-06-2013 01:21PM

old hippy wrote: »

See above post

Your above post has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in the video. Nor does it address the questions posed to you regarding your authority to criticise police actions without an understanding of what is an appropriate response to a given situation. If you can't provide the framework within which you understand these things, then you're just bluffing.

What happened here was you were asked how it was excessive and what would have been an appropriate response to the threat level, in your view. You responded with no information, just decried police behaviour in other instances which have no bearing on this occasion, and then mitigated it by claiming you rode a Garda at some point. Congrats.

Ghost Buster · 07-06-2013 01:37PM

old hippy wrote: »

Thinly veiled sterilise the working class thread.

Ummmmm. Im working class. !!!!!
Dont you mean sterilise inbred criminal low lifes?. Im on for that!

Lelantos · 07-06-2013 01:54PM

The fact that it wasn't the garda who knocked the guy out seems to have escaped a lot of people's attention.

Rightwing · 07-06-2013 01:57PM

Dublin is simply full of thugs.

The awkward moment when you punch a scumbag and he doesn't get back up

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