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Gardaí handle difficult situation

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  • #32
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Where was he baited or battered
    360_F_102352090_ie3kLjDIvgrT1sxVDknWCUh8PxgMYzM7.jpg




  • #33
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Video is ver poor, however, did it really need 3 garda to use the ASP to control that tennager. I have not problem with force being used when needed, was it need there?

    What is ASP?


  • #34
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    BlimpGaz wrote: »
    If it was night time, he could claim the young black man was transparent, and he was simply attempting to kill a bug on the ground. But unfortunately in reality it was a bright sunny day, and he was just pissed off about having to work his menial job during it.

    Hope you're proud of making posts like that.


  • #35
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Isn't it their job to handle difficult situations?


  • #36
    Local-womanizer
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    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    The use of the baton when the young man has been apprehended by another officer on the ground; I wonder if it was necessary.

    He wasn't arrested at that stage though, they were in the process of arresting him. He could still be fighting on the ground, not letting them cuff him. In this case a strike of the baton is mild. If they let the dog on him while he was on the ground that would be excessive.

    Again the video is not conclusive, but just because you are on the ground, doesn't mean the situation is resolved.


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  • #37
    BlimpGaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 86 ✭✭BlimpGaz


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    I don't see why it would be considered a difficult situation, he didn't do anything wrong.

    I dunno, I can easily imagine some liberal shrew misrepresenting "Go home!" to mean go back to the warmer continent he racially originated from.


  • #38
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    A great job by the Gardai.


  • #39
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Commenting on videos like this is always silly. It's impossible to know the complete circumstances around the arrest based on the footage. Perhaps he had a weapon or had been behaving in such a way as to require extra force than would normally be the case.


  • #40
    Problem123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭Problem123456


    To everyone saying the guards were too heavy handed.
    Go do what those scumbags were doing in another country and you will soon forget about how bad the guards are...
    What do people expect them to do? They are out number so they have to be aggressive.


  • #41
    mad turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    He was hit maybe 3-5 times MAYBE likely less. Too bad there was too many witnesses to hit him another few times.


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  • #42
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    BlimpGaz wrote: »
    I dunno, I can easily imagine some liberal shrew misrepresenting "Go home!" to mean go back to the warmer continent he racially originated from.

    That would be a fairly stupid misinterpretation to make.


  • #43
    HurtLocker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭HurtLocker


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    That would be a fairly stupid misinterpretation to make.

    A lot of stupid people out there.


  • #44
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    Odysseus wrote: »
    No I want to use the minimum of force which is what they are supposed to. I not sure if three adults all needed to use ASPs to restrain that guy.

    As I siad the quality is poor, but as they are trained in control and restrain practices I am not really sure if it need that level of force.

    I acknowledge that it is not always possible to strictly apply the minimum of force required to control someone, but that is the way they are required to work. Hence, I have a question about excessive force here, not the use of force, excessive use of it.

    You have to look at it this way - Gardai have to look after themselves in these situations. Which is safer for a gardas personal safety - tackling a man alone, or with two men assisting? Do you think it should be 1 on 1? I reckon that if it was a pair of gardai or even a lone garda, his friends would intervene and possible assault the gardai, knowing the garda are in a precarious and overwhelmed position.


  • #45
    Marsden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Marsden


    The guards were dead right here. The lad was shouting at him and was told to go away several times, while resisting arrest he sent the guard flying. I'd say if there was no cameras around he'd get more than a tip on the leg.


  • #46
    MikeD22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭MikeD22


    People only react to force. You show weakness in a situation like that they walk all over you. Gardai's job is to take control of the situation and they did just that. Don't want to get hit with a baton, then don't act like a d!ckhead and leave when you are told to.


  • #47
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    What is ASP?

    The extentable baton the Garda are now issued with. I use to train with such baton in a different country where it was legal for me to own one. There is a big difference between a ASP baton and a wooden one. You can easily do a lot of damage with one. They can break bone a lot easier than the old wooden type.

    [With I say train I used to do a lot self defense training.]


  • #48
    BlimpGaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 86 ✭✭BlimpGaz


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    That would be a fairly stupid misinterpretation to make.

    Doesn't mean they have to believe it! Just means there's so little evidence for "white male privilege" that they have to fabricate whatever they can. Think it doesn't happen all the time? Have you been living under a rock?


  • #49
    Finnbar01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    Odysseus wrote: »
    Video is ver poor, however, did it really need 3 garda to use the ASP to control that tennager. I have not problem with force being used when needed, was it need there?


    By the looks of it, yes.


  • #50
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    MikeD22 wrote: »
    People only react to force.

    Righttttttttt..........


  • #51
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BlimpGaz wrote: »
    Doesn't mean they have to believe it! Just means there's so little evidence for "white male privilege" that they have to fabricate whatever they can. Think it doesn't happen all the time? Have you been living under a rock?


    Whats this? The whole thing was a gathering of militant feminists?


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  • #52
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Local-womanizer wrote: »
    He wasn't arrested at that stage though, they were in the process of arresting him. He could still be fighting on the ground, not letting them cuff him.
    I said apprehended, not arrested.

    Nobody doubts the need to use restraint, except I would struggle to describe what we saw here as "restraint"... it's not clear, it's too hard to say what was happening on the ground. I'm just saying it looks bad.

    It's the job of the Gardaí to bring people into detention and process them; it's the job of the law to prosecute. That's directed more at the "I'd set the dogs on them" crowd than it is at the Gardaí, because the Gardaí (usually) appreciate this fact already.


  • #53
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Gatling wrote: »
    Where was he baited or battered
    Portmarnock, seemingly.


  • #54
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    In fairness to the guards,if you act like scumbags prepare to be treated with a heavy hand.


  • #55
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    discus wrote: »
    You have to look at it this way - Gardai have to look after themselves in these situations. Which is safer for a gardas personal safety - tackling a man alone, or with two men assisting? Do you think it should be 1 on 1? I reckon that if it was a pair of gardai or even a lone garda, his friends would intervene and possible assault the gardai, knowing the garda are in a precarious and overwhelmed position.

    Of course, I have no problem with any Garda protecting himself. I do however, expect Garda to act with the rules of force that they are required to operate within.

    I am not saying they where excessive here, as I have said the quality is poor and most importantly we where not present to see what happend.

    However, with say that, I still wonder if that level of force was appropriate? It is a question rather than a statement, and members of AGS should always be questioned when they have to use force.

    As citizen we should never be afaird to question the garda, yet, as citizens we should also be supportive of them and acknowledge the difficult situations in which they have only a second to decide on how they will respond.


  • #56
    BlimpGaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 86 ✭✭BlimpGaz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Whats this? The whole thing was a gathering of militant feminists?

    Nah, militant feminists just sit at home and complain about things on the internet. Thing is, in today's age everything is video recorded, therefore everything is "patriarchy".


  • #57
    Razleavy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Razleavy


    Fair play to the Gardaí, might teach the little fecker some manners.


  • #58
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BlimpGaz wrote: »
    Nah, militant feminists just sit at home and complain about things on the internet. Thing is, in today's age everything is video recorded, therefore everything is "patriarchy".

    You're an odd fellow, I think.


  • #59
    thetl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭thetl


    Garda were dead right these total scumbags were asked repeatedly to leave the area.Who the f### are these scumbags black or white to destroy a lovely day at the beach for families and law abiding people


  • #60
    BlimpGaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 86 ✭✭BlimpGaz


    thetl wrote: »
    Who the f### are these scumbags black or white to destroy a lovely day at the beach for families and law abiding people

    Answered your own question there. As to why scumbags are scumbags? My answer is GMO in the food, and degeneracy in the music and television. Crime hardly existed before the 20th century.


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  • #61
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    BlimpGaz wrote: »
    Answered your own question there. As to why scumbags are scumbags? My answer is GMO in the food, and degeneracy in the music and television. Crime hardly existed before the 20th century.

    Quite the historian it appears.


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