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So I've been blocked by Sean Sherlock for asking about EMI vs UPC...

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  • #92
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Seeing as it's not his voice, I doubt it. :)


  • #93
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    I asked you a question (see first post above). I am sorry to say that I am disheartened with your lack of response towards me.

    You have already quoted his response to this post:
    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    I can't speak for anyone else, but perhaps the issue is not necessarily with copyright theft, but with compelling intermediaries to take responsibility for limiting individual freedoms to do and say stupid things... just like we do here all the time.

    To which his reply, as quoted by you, was, essentially:
    DeVore wrote: »
    Bingo.

    So, he is concerned about the liability of boards.ie as an ISP for the actions of those who post on boards.ie.


  • #94
    General General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    Eh... five years into the worst financial crisis... trivial matter... we should move on... a waste of time... more important things... there is no inconsistency... he did not say that... he hasn't blocked... well, how would I know if he blocked him or not?

    Were you there? I wasn't there... Were you there?


  • #95
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    WIZE wrote: »
    This is Stupid

    You have your own rule on boards " Attack the post, not the poster"

    Your Quote makes out that you have a vendetta against Sherlock rather than the Copyright SI

    You are now giving him a reason to Block you. I suggest you delete it as your argument becomes invalid
    In this case one could argue the poster is the post. In Sherlock's case and extending the metaphor, he's worse, he's the dumb mouthpiece for other posters unseen. Given his previous it appears he has little to say that is his own. Merely passes on what he's told, on a subject he is clearly out of his depth on. Like I say, check his previous. It's usually debate after the fact and his side is usually found lacking, but the regulations he's already signed off on may if not will affect us all. And trust me I'm no "it should all be freeeee" type.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #96
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    Wibbs wrote: »
    In this case one could argue the poster is the post.

    Boards; where English is Physics.*


    *By which I mean superposition of what I reference as a particle, i.e. the poster is the particle, which is to be considered as being in 2 states of "matter/existence" at once.


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  • #97
    Reamer Fanny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    Minister for innovation...riiight....


  • #98
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    That is both arrogant and childish of him. Once again showing that he has no clue of how the Internet works. I was at that dri debate and while I respected him for turning up to a hostile audience that's where the respect ended.

    Tweet posted looking for comment from him.


  • #99
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    DeVore wrote: »
    Please feel free to engage but can I ask you please to be civil. :)


    And the first response is-

    donvito99 wrote: »
    The hairy japanese bastard.


    Says it all really.

    I understand Dev the motivation behind your campaign, but the "little people" rhetoric and posting this in After Hours to stir up the mob? It'll be about as much use as any ridiculous Internet campaign tbh. Is it any wonder Sean Sherlock as much as said "Fcuk that shìt!".

    You're doing your campaign a dis-service tbh allowing this to be an example of what Boards is about- when you're losing the battle is not time to call in the angry mob that will only spout platitudes and not much else.


    Posts such as this-

    DeVore wrote: »
    I want to burn him (politically) so badly that his successor will be pyrophobic. :)

    Its the only way they learn. :)


    will do your campaign no favors either, and just comes off as more empty rhetoric at best, incitement to hatred at worst.

    Taking an aggressive stance on any issue will not teach anyone anything, it's just cutting off your nose to spite your face-

    Sean Sherlock has all the power, and you have, well, the angry mob on Boards, or "the little people" as you call them, as much a hindrance to your campaign as you might think they are helpful.

    I just think you could've handled this so, so much better with the resources you have at your disposal. Coming off all hot headed and unreasonable is only stepping over the fine line between assertive (where you can get things done) and aggressive (where, like as has happened now- you'll get nothing done).


  • #100
    TPD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    Good man DeV


  • #101
    Dr Turk Turkelton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    Well said Czarcasm.

    Also are the Japanese the angry eyes or the sleepy eyes?


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  • #102
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Vote labour They said....


    Your torrents would be safe they said.... :pac:


  • #103
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭Infini


    Well whacha expect from them. When the going gets tough they go into GTFO mode and refuse everything and anything since most of them are gombeen retards that know nothing about how the world works. Expect more of this carryon from them until the country wakes up and votes the 3 tard parties out of of politics altogether and replaces them with new people that havent had a try and arent extremist nutjobs.


  • #104
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    I took an interest in your thread, Devore, and you asked would we follow yourself and Sherlockr on twitter, which I did. You also asked if we would pose questions to him, in our own words as he had blocked you. I was happy to help in any way I could. So, in order to do so I asked you a question (see first post above). I am sorry to say that I am disheartened with your lack of response towards me.

    I would never class myself as the sharpest tool in the box but I do know my weaknesses and strengths. My weakness in this case was my lack of knowledge of the topic at hand. My strength is my thirst for knowledge. How could I possibly help you without some research? At that time this afternoon, I asked you for that help. As yet, you haven't replied to me.

    If I am honest, I feel like one of the "little people" you mention above. Obviously, I am not smart enough for your campaign. In my mind, that puts you in the same league as Mr Sherlock as he has chosen to ignore you too.
    ***This is going to sound like the biggest ass kissing exercise you've ever seen, it isn't; I don't even agree with DeVore on the dangers of Sherlock's Law***

    ...BUT if it wasn't for individuals like the OP, you could be at a major disadvantage to other EU citizens.. in fact there are other EU citizens who have essentially taken successful legal cases against the abuse of equivalent laws (namely, the EU Copyright Directive of 2001), without which we really don't know what kind of abyss we'd be looking into.

    Did you watch the video of the panel discussion with the Minister? DeVore was the one who was putting coherent, calm points to a visibly uncomfortable Minister. Where would your 'internet freedom' be without industry figures like those guys, and their equivalents in other EU states, confronting potentially foolish and restrictive threats to clamp down on YOUR freedoms?

    I'm sure the OP (Devore) has a selfish interest in this - he doesn't want to be called before the courts as your internet babysitter - but more importantly - you don't want an internet babysitter...do you?

    We all have an individual, personal interest in sharing a free and open web.

    Don't read too much into the "free" part. Before anyone says this is a whine about piracy - it's not. I'm certainly not on Pirate Bay's side in this, and if I am on UPC's and boards.ie's side then sorry, that's only by accident. I'm on my side, as an internet user, to ensure that my content is my own, and that I have the right to broadcast and shape and take ownership of my thinking.

    And on a mass scale, an injunctive order against a group of people, to shut off group interactions at the touch of one button grants far too much power to those who have an interest against free online interactions.

    If a police force wants to arrest a group of troublemakers in real life, they must do so on an individual, case by case basis.

    Imagine the dangers of any society where masses of people can be muted by clicking a switch, no matter how great their number? That's a daunting prospect, and though I don't believe it is a prospect that arises on foot of Sherlock's Law, it is something which Governments know cannot be made acceptable to their citizens.

    The internet is the greatest tool "the small guy" has ever had. It's not completely free, of course. You can't just do anything you want on here. But what you can do, is ensure that your individuality is respected, that you can not be switched on or off en masse because you identify with one undesirable group of people, and that's what fighting for the small man means imo.


  • #105
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Firstly, sorry, I thought the "Too Long; Didnt Read" round up in the OP would suffice to bring people up to speed. There's really no way to sound bite this issue as its quite complex but if you follow the links I posted you'll find better writers than I who have done a good job of it.


    Secondly, I am most certainly NOT attacking the "poster". Sean Sherlock has been quite polite in dealings with him and I've been quite polite in return. I'm not calling him names, abusing him or "playing the man". I *most certainly* take issue with the arbitary and capricious way he simply writes laws into our legislature against ALL other voices except the paid lobbyists of foreign multinationals. But in that regard I'm attacking his actions as a TD, not the man himself. I genuinely bear him no ill will personally.

    Finally, "burning him politically" seems fair enough to me, he's a politician. I am genuinely VERY unhappy with his approach and I feel that we will lose this round (I've always said we'll lose it, the man can sign laws at will, what hope has an angry nerd like me against that?) But his successor will think twice before "poking" the Internet again.


  • #106
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    And on a mass scale, an injunctive order against a group of people, to shut off group interactions at the touch of one button grants far too much power to those who have an interest against free online interactions.


    It's not an injunctive order against a group of people though Cody, and it's not to shut off interactions between them either. It's a law that makes ISPs responsible for the traffic going through their servers, and it's up to the ISPs then to push that responsibility back on their users. Is it bad news for the ISPs- yes. Is it bad news for the ISPs users- yes.

    There is NO SUCH THING as a service provided for free, and there is no such thing as freedom of speech. Even on Boards.ie it's consistently hammered home that there is no such thing as freedom of speech, and yet, it seems there's an awful amount of leeway given there as long as it's directed at a common target. Sean Sherlock wasn't the first one, there was David McSavage a few years ago too, and the angry mob was encouraged to jump on the bandwagon for a no holds barred insultfest.

    Imagine the dangers of any society where masses of people can be muted by clicking a switch, no matter how great their number? That's a daunting prospect, and though I don't believe it is a prospect that arises on foot of Sherlock's Law, it is something which Governments know cannot be made acceptable to their citizens.


    Have you SEEN the shìt that passes for "content" on this site alone? We're a long way past the "don't be a dick rule" now, and when even the site owner asks people to please be civil, and then himself posts this-

    DeVore wrote: »
    I want to burn him (politically) so badly that his successor will be pyrophobic. :)

    Its the only way they learn. :)


    Well, that's not very civil, is it? Recently I started a thread in feedback about the use of the word "retarded" on this site, and yet only a few posts up, there's the word "retard" again, but it doesn't matter that it's uncivil because it's not directed at an actual member of boards.

    There are days when I'd give anything for a mute button on my keyboard or a filter that would filter out the hatred and bitterness. If you wouldn't say it to the person's face, then you shouldn't have free reign to spout passive aggressive bullshìt on the internet.

    The internet is the greatest tool "the small guy" has ever had.


    Who IS this mythical "small guy". Why are other people acting like they suddenly give a shìt about "the small guy"? Is it only because like politicians they want to appear to give a shìt only to gain support from the ill informed masses for their cause? I have no intention of going reading some bitchy back and forth on twitter. Sean Sherlock is an ill informed idiot and way out of his depth. Dev isn't making it any better by making him feel even more stupid, and then getting AH to pour fuel on the fire? Terrible move IMO.
    It's not completely free, of course. You can't just do anything you want on here. But what you can do, is ensure that your individuality is respected, that you can not be switched on or off en masse because you identify with one undesirable group of people, and that's what fighting for the small man means imo.


    You're joking right? Everybody screaming to be listened to, yet nobody wants to listen. There's nothing respectful of the individual about that, and it takes a pretty strong mind to face into it sometimes.

    The internet is indeed a fantastic tool, but it's been damaged by the frustrated angry mob that have never been taught how to use the tool correctly, only concerned with their freedoms, while giving no regard to their responsibilities.

    Somebody has to take the tools off them before they do themselves or someone else an injury.


  • #107
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    DeVore wrote: »
    Finally, "burning him politically" seems fair enough to me, he's a politician. I am genuinely VERY unhappy with his approach and I feel that we will lose this round (I've always said we'll lose it, the man can sign laws at will, what hope has an angry nerd like me against that?) But his successor will think twice before "poking" the Internet again.


    His successor really won't be doing any thinking of the sort Dev, because he doesn't actually care in the same way you do.

    To Sean Sherlock, he's only doing his job as a politician, as will his successor, and even their successor after that, whereas for you- Boards is your passion, the internet is your passion, it's more than just a job to you because it's an integral part of your life. Sean Sherlock can just about manage a tweet, so you need to come down to understand him at his level. He doesn't need to come up to yours, because he has nothing to gain from you, nor the angry less than 200 mob that appreciated your OP. You've a few thanks to go before you can eqtate to his 2011 election success-

    11,682 more or thereabouts.


  • #108
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    It's not an injunctive order against a group of people though Cody, and it's not to shut off interactions between them either.
    No, you're correct, it's not. I believe that the impossibility of asking ISPs to comply with such requests precisely what is about to be established in the Irish courts.

    All I am saying is that while Sherlock's Law is unlikely to have any such effect, I am very glad that there are people (in our nation, out there) who are willing to stand up and be seen to go bat**** crazy over even the prospect of that occurring. I think that has great value.
    It's a law that makes ISPs responsible for the traffic going through their servers
    More importantly than that, it was being interpreted (before Mr Justice Peter Kelly appeared to dismiss the idea a few weeks ago) as a law that could potentially allow applicants to pursue injunctive orders to stop thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions of individuals from interacting together en masse, as a bloc, at the flick of a switch.

    Well, I'm an individual actually. If I've done something wrong, I want to be able to be challenged and argue my case as an individual and pursue my individual rights. That's how it works in the real world, I believe the prospect of more sweeping powers in the online world would be tragic and dangerous for online freedoms.
    There is NO SUCH THING as a service provided for free
    That's really not what it's about. I'm not in favour of Pirate Bay, I've never used it in my life and I don't want to.


  • #109
    holystungun9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭holystungun9


    I am Spart....,Tom Murphy.


  • #110
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    And the first response is-





    Says it all really.
    It's an internet meme/joke. The poster is not calling him a hairy japanese bastard. See my avatar for more details.
    I just think you could've handled this so, so much better with the resources you have at your disposal. Coming off all hot headed and unreasonable is only stepping over the fine line between assertive (where you can get things done) and aggressive (where, like as has happened now- you'll get nothing done).
    IMHO no matter how it's handled Sherlock or more specifically the industry voices behind him will quite simply ignore it. The last bit of law pushed through in his name had near zero debate and what debate was had was after the fact.
    Czarcasm wrote: »
    There is NO SUCH THING as a service provided for free, and there is no such thing as freedom of speech. Even on Boards.ie it's consistently hammered home that there is no such thing as freedom of speech, and yet, it seems there's an awful amount of leeway given there as long as it's directed at a common target. Sean Sherlock wasn't the first one, there was David McSavage a few years ago too, and the angry mob was encouraged to jump on the bandwagon for a no holds barred insultfest.
    Have to say the McSavage stuff sat uncomfortable for me. Though I'd disagree on the awful amount of leeway as a general rule hereabouts. Yep there are some whipping boys that the community reckon to be fair game, the catholic church and religion in general would be one. On the other hand there are also some sacred cows too. That goes for any community though and having been on many a general interest forum across the web in my time, this one is about the most measured, by quite a distance.
    Have you SEEN the shìt that passes for "content" on this site alone?
    Have you seen the amount of good, considered and interesting posts on this site. On the AH forum too while we're at it. If you're looking for crap you'll find it. Which seems to be your bag though.
    There are days when I'd give anything for a mute button on my keyboard or a filter that would filter out the hatred and bitterness. If you wouldn't say it to the person's face, then you shouldn't have free reign to spout passive aggressive bullshìt on the internet.
    Anything I'd write here I'd say it to their faces. Have done in the past. Indeed I'm a lot more civil here.
    Who IS this mythical "small guy". Why are other people acting like they suddenly give a shìt about "the small guy"? Is it only because like politicians they want to appear to give a shìt only to gain support from the ill informed masses for their cause? I have no intention of going reading some bitchy back and forth on twitter. Sean Sherlock is an ill informed idiot and way out of his depth.
    I'd agree with this alright. Your average person quite simply doesn't care or doesn't know enough to care. If you asked the peeeeple of Ireland "what's a torrent", you'd get as many responding about rivers, or "something on the internet" than you would a debate on filesharing. Sherlock falls into this gap too. As do the industry types behind him. Did they learn nothing from the near collapse of the music industry in the face of internet downloading? The same will happen with movies(and no doubt books), if they don't learn from their mistakes and start thinking out of the box, like the Apple music store among others did.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #111
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Have you seen the amount of good, considered and interesting posts on this site. On the AH forum too while we're at it. If you're looking for crap you'll find it. Which seems to be your bag though.


    I think now to be fair Wibbs I've always given credit where it's due, I don't actually go looking for crap, I see every person on this site as having great potential, and the site itself as having great potential, but one of the things about any service is you'll rarely ever hear anything positive said, only the negative. And if you look back through my post history (and I can PM you my previous usernames and you can look back through the histories of those too!), you'll see the good things I have to say about Boards by far and above outweigh the constructive criticism I've given.

    I'm also constantly extolling the virtues of Boards.ie to my wife and many colleagues, as an excellent resource for information and discussion on practically any subject under the sun. Dev started something incredible with the "Lets all talk about depression" thread and I'm often telling my wife she should read it as there are some great stories, resources, encouragement and support in that thread. She has suffered from depression for many years but still prefers Facebook to Boards. She's also a keen writer and artist and wants to get into photography so I tell her that "There's a forum for those", again where she can find some great resources and discussions. I read the Creative Writing forums, Gardening, Health and Fitness, Photography, Tech forums, hell I have an eight year old here who wants to get in on the tech forums but I have to tell him that Boards is 13+ only, so he wouldn't be allowed become a member, but I have no problem with him reading them!

    The same with my colleagues or people I meet, many of whom work in the field of Social care, Psychology, again- I read those forums and tell people to go on them, plenty of information and great discussions.

    So to say looking for crap on Boards is my bag- I may look like a duck, I may walk like a duck, but I'm actually a platypus!

    (stretching the metaphor, but you get the idea!)

    Anything I'd write here I'd say it to their faces. Have done in the past. Indeed I'm a lot more civil here.


    And that's exactly why I admire posters like yourself Wibbs, without wishing to sound too brown nosed about it, but here's a post in defence of boards I wrote just yesterday-

    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Ehh, I dunno El G, I think that might be perception more than anything. One thing I've noticed and quite frankly admired about boards is that in a discussion, you can disagree with Moderators and even Site Administrators, without fear of anyone bearing grudges.

    Sure, I've seen Moderators posts be shown appreciation moreso than ordinary posters, but that's usually when they ban a poster from a discussion for their usually inflammatory opinion. In that case the Moderator would be posting in an official and unbiased capacity and posters would appreciate the fact that the inflammatory poster was banned from the discussion, moreso than thinking the Moderator banned them because they disagreed with their opinion.

    How soon is now, there's exactly what I was saying earlier too- I disagreed with El G above, but when he said Wibbs is like the yoda of boards, I thanked his post because I have my own suspicions that Wibbs is like Skynet gone sentient- the guy knows far more about such a wide range of topics than the human brain could possibly handle, and the way he's able to convey his opinions and ideas in the way a two year old child would understand it, that's a skill that I wish I could grasp!

    Again though in saying that- while Wibbs is certainly a knowledgeable poster, I've had no issue with expressing a different opinion to theirs and again there's no begrudgery there that might carry into another thread on a totally different subject.

    I think some posters just hold on to stuff for too long and that can close them off to another posters opinion that they might agree with on another thread, but they missed it because they dismissed the poster or had them on ignore (horrible system the whole ignore and thanks functions tbh, but that's only IMO!).


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  • #112
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    So to say looking for crap on Boards is my bag- I may look like a duck, I may walk like a duck, but I'm actually a platypus!
    You win the internet. :D

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #113
    Red Crow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,139 ✭✭✭Red Crow


    Cork East really need to get rid of this guy. It'll be an embarrassment if this guy gets into the Dail again.


  • #114
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,321 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Sherlock has an incredibly irritating "style" of debate. A total bluffer who hasn't a clue.


  • #115
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    What was the incident involving David Mc Savage that people are referring to?


  • #116
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Eli Manning wrote: »
    Cork East really need to get rid of this guy. It'll be an embarrassment if this guy gets into the Dail again.
    It's the Dail EM, a riches of embarrassment as it is.

    This tells us a couple of things; 1) the calibre of person who tends to go into Irish politics. 2) The calibre of the average voter who puts them in. I've little doubt he has a good shot of getting in again. The majority of his electorate won't understand nor care about internet stuff.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #117
    Kichote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    Sean Sherlock is "doing the road" in my area. He will get re-elected because he "did the road" and his father helped keep Mallow hospital open

    Typical Irish politics, throw a few sops at the voters in your constituency and then screw them over on a national level with things like his SI


  • #118
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    awec wrote: »
    Sherlock has an incredibly irritating "style" of debate. A total bluffer who hasn't a clue.

    He studied politics in College for 60 years..

    I know someone very well (Almost my entire life) who argues the exact same way. It is the most frustrating thing anybody can imagine.
    Even if he is arguing about something of which he knows nothing about.
    He's also a firm believer of "Deny, deny, deny, deny" even if you're caught. Deny it.

    And yes, he is a politician. None of us laugh about it.

    The most frustrating thing about this whole thing, for me is: It's one man, seemingly backed by nobody. Even if he was, It's just one man that decides to block people, on such a huge issue. Something that affects thousands, and he just waves his hand.. :mad:


  • #119
    Reamer Fanny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Reamer Fanny


    This pretty much sums up our current governments lack of knowledge of the Internet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBGI2_YXeo


    "Fraping...were your raped on Facebook"

    Lets just storm the Dail and overthrow these clowns!


  • #120
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    awec wrote: »
    Sherlock has an incredibly irritating "style" of debate. A total bluffer who hasn't a clue.

    Has Sean Sherlock ever appeared on anything answering questions?

    Q&A or The Frontline etc..?

    I'm just curious, because I thought it would be an appearance I'd notice, but I never have (noticed).


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  • #121
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,176 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    justryan wrote: »
    This pretty much sums up our current governments lack of knowledge of the Internet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBGI2_YXeo


    "Fraping...were your raped on Facebook"

    Lets just storm the Dail and overthrow these clowns!

    She also has an equally poor understanding of reproduction.


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