So I've been blocked by Sean Sherlock for asking about EMI vs UPC...

Prodigious

Ridiculous. Will UPC fight it or just lie down?
Scum of the earth.

I forsee a large increase in P2P for the next 30 days.

rovoagho

Must turn that proxy back on....

DeVore

This isnt really about piracy. Its about handing over the due process of "criminal" conviction, to the murky world of lobbyists and "civil actions" which are allowed to determine what people are allowed to access online.

Don't like a website? threaten the conduit... at some point it will become financially prudent just to give in and "block on demand" rather than fight each case.

We've opted out of impartial justice and handed it over to corporate lobby groups. Basically we've privitised state-wide censorship

Prodigious

DeVore wrote: »

This isnt really about piracy. Its about handing over the due process of "criminal" conviction, to the murky world of lobbyists and "civil actions" which are allowed to determine what people are allowed to access online.

Don't like a website? threaten the conduit... at some point it will become financially prudent just to give in and "block on demand" rather than fight each case.

We've opted out of impartial justice and handed it over to corporate lobby groups. Basically we've privitised state-wide censorship

So what are we gonna do about it?

[-0-]

Feeling pretty good about my emigration right about now.

omahaid

I'm not sure how blocking the pirate bay solves any problem of any sort?

NTMK

omahaid wrote: »

I'm not sure how blocking the pirate bay solves any problem of any sort?

it doesnt it takes 2 minutes to find a proxy to the pirate bay.

My name is URL

omahaid wrote: »

I'm not sure how blocking the pirate bay solves any problem of any sort?

Especially when it's not actually blocked... only few IPs are blocked

http://proxybay.info/alternate-methods.html

Prodigious

It stops those nasty pirates and their stealing.

It will scare off perhaps 20-30% of downloaders, and a lot of people either won't be arsed or won't know how to use a proxy. Win win for the record labels.

youcancallmeal

If anything I would imagine actions like this are great publicity for piratebay and torrenting in general. There'll probably be a big increase in torrent (and proxy) usage in Ireland over the next few months.

Doctor Strange

Sadly for Sherlock and the like, there's always a way round

http://194.71.107.80

http://194.71.107.81

http://194.71.107.82

http://194.71.107.83

Mr. CooL ICE

Being honest, I have never used Pirate Bay, and the only times that I have heard about it are through these lawsuits. I have my own methods of acquiring what I want.

Anyone else who has never visited the site?

Prodigious

LordChessington wrote: »

Being honest, I have never used Pirate Bay, and the only times that I have heard about it are through these lawsuits. I have my own methods of acquiring what I want.

Anyone else who has never visited the site?

Care to elaborate?

Mr. CooL ICE

Prodigious wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Hi Sean

folan

Prodigious wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

im sure Lord Chessington means working a 40 hour week, using the money garnished from their salary to buy copies of said goods from itunes or golden disks.

I cant imagine another way.

Prodigious

LordChessington wrote: »

Hi Sean

I am the anti thesis to that .... person.

GLaDOS

LordChessington wrote: »

Being honest, I have never used Pirate Bay, and the only times that I have heard about it are through these lawsuits. I have my own methods of acquiring what I want.

Anyone else who has never visited the site?

It wouldn't be my first port of call (Pun intended), only use it if other sources fail.

My name is URL

Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »

Sadly for Sherlock and the like, there's always a way round

http://194.71.107.80

http://194.71.107.81

http://194.71.107.82

http://194.71.107.83

TPB have said that they'll continue to provide new IPs as long as ISPs continue to block existing ones. It's such a waste of time.. feck it though... let them all play Whac-A-Mole while everyone else just keeps on doing their thing!

In fairness though, this whole thing goes beyond just blocking torrent sites. Tomorrow it could be whistleblowing sites or any other resource which corporations / governments don't want people to have access to, which is quite frightening really.

briany

My name is URL wrote: »

Especially when it's not actually blocked... only few IPs are blocked

http://proxybay.info/alternate-methods.html

True. The Pirate Bay is indeed accessible from alternate IPs. No need for a proxy.

The thing is that this is a 'war' that cannot really be won. You can censor the Internet into being a tightly controlled entity, I suppose, but by doing so, you make it virtually unusable also. The whole point of the Internet is the flow of (digital) information which is a force of nature in it's own way. That flow of information contains things that you and I may disagree with but that's probably been the case since the first BBSes went live in the late 70s.

DeVore

What about Abortion Information sites? I mean they are giving out information which is used to commit a crime... just like PB was.

I wonder if we cant use this SI to block them too? I mean, whats the difference?

Prodigious

DeVore wrote: »

What about Abortion Information sites? I mean they are giving out information which is used to commit a crime... just like PB was.

I wonder if we cant use this SI to block them too? I mean, whats the difference?

They're not infringing copyright, as tpb allegedly is.

DeVore

Ah yes, good point. Only "copyright" is given this extraordinary protection... (because its important)

Prodigious

DeVore wrote: »

Ah yes, good point. Only "copyright" is given this extraordinary protection... (because its important)

*copywrong

The fact is, though, that even TPB are not infringing on copyright. They are nto hosting a single file, merely indexing text data.

dub_skav

DeVore wrote: »

What about Abortion Information sites? I mean they are giving out information which is used to commit a crime... just like PB was.

I wonder if we cant use this SI to block them too? I mean, whats the difference?

Is the difference not the 14th amendment to the Irish Constitution?

briany

DeVore wrote: »

Ah yes, good point. Only "copyright" is given this extraordinary protection... (because its important)

Copyright infringement can join up with pedophilia, terrorism, organised crime and drugs to form the Five Horsemen of the Info-pocalypse.

timbyr

So it appears EMI was successful in introducing internet censorship at the ISPs expense.

http://siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/33028-irelands-high-court-orders/

kowloon

I get pretty angry when I hear about how any issue concerning money can be fast tracked but major constitutional issues and principles surrounding the running of the state are subject to long, drawn out processes.

theglobe

Am I right in saying the Smart Telecom biys have told them to **** off? Too Smart.

Jericho.

timbyr wrote: »

So it appears EMI was successful in introducing internet censorship at the ISPs expense.

http://siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/33028-irelands-high-court-orders/

I'd say this might be worthy of a separate topic given it's importance?

I can't believe that Ireland as a country has done this. It's outrageous.

briany

kowloon wrote: »

I get pretty angry when I hear about how any issue concerning money can be fast tracked but major constitutional issues and principles surrounding the running of the state are subject to long, drawn out processes.

You don't mess with the money.