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  • #632
    Munster13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Munster13


    I'm looking forward to hearing more about this group of academy players, i think a lot of gems will come from this crop i hope, i'm hearing good things about Greg O'Shea and Jack Cullan so i hope they can do well in the academy


  • #633
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Holland is nothing special, decent squad player. Ryan is nearly 30 already anyway and Foley and Nagle are very unproven.

    3 makes sense i guess especially as they are all different ages.
    Holland is decent option at pro12 and showed this season just gone that he's better than I thought he was.
    Ryan doesn't have huge mileage done so has quite a few years left at the top level. 2nd rows can play much longer than other positions in general.
    Surely other positions are in much more need for signings. Halfbacks, centre


  • #634
    Munster13
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Surely other positions are in much more need for signings. Halfbacks, centre
    I do hope then, we see more of J.J and Bohane next season, they both look good players for years to come, I hope to see them get game time next year,


  • #635
    Ruck Inspector
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Holland is decent option at pro12 and showed this season just gone that he's better than I thought he was.
    Ryan doesn't have huge mileage done so has quite a few years left at the top level. 2nd rows can play much longer than other positions in general.
    Surely other positions are in much more need for signings. Halfbacks, centre

    can only sign players if there is talented guys coming through.

    a homegrown munster centre is a rare sight.


  • #636
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Leinster Academy for next season confirmed
    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/9901.php#.UaSlcDJOPMw

    6 players in for next season. 3 youths and 3 schools players
    Adam Byrne, Steve Crosbie, Thomas Daly, Billy Dardis, Peter Dooley, Ross Molony


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  • #637
    Ruck Inspector
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Leinster Academy for next season confirmed
    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/9901.php#.UaSlcDJOPMw

    6 players in for next season. 3 youths and 3 schools players
    Adam Byrne, Steve Crosbie, Thomas Daly, Billy Dardis, Peter Dooley, Ross Molony

    no surprises there.

    shame to see David Doyle has retired due to injury.


  • #638
    lurtz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭lurtz


    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    no surprises there.

    shame to see David Doyle has retired due to injury.

    agree,I wonder will he go abroad or what.
    Huge talent,always had immense physical presence and great footballing ability


  • #639
    RobbieRuns
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    Fair play to Dardis, Leinster would only give that to a really good player straight out of School. He must be very good.


  • #640
    Quint2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭Quint2010


    RobbieRuns wrote: »
    Fair play to Dardis, Leinster would only give that to a really good player straight out of School. He must be very good.

    Molony straight out of school too-although an age grade older. I would Dardis in the same bracket as Conway when he left school-bags of potential.


  • #641
    Wattle
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    Quint2010 wrote: »
    Molony straight out of school too-although an age grade older. I would Dardis in the same bracket as Conway when he left school-bags of potential.

    Delighted for Dardis. Fully deserved. I remember Conway was similarly very elusive for Rock at fullback.


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  • #642
    Ruck Inspector
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    Leinster and Munster Academies for next year:

    Loosehead James Treacy(Year 3 - Leinster - 22) - could be at Hooker.
    Loosehead Ed Byrne(Year 2 - Leinster - 19)
    Loosehead Peter Dooley(Year 1 - Leinster - 19)
    Loosehead Niall Horan(Year 1 - Munster - 19)
    Hooker Brian Byrne(Year 2 - Leinster - 19)
    Tighthead Tadhg Furlong(Year 3 - Leinster - 20)
    Lock Tadhg Beirne(Year 2 - Leinster - 21)
    Lock Gavin Thornbury(Year 2 - Leinster - 19)
    Lock Darren O'Shea(Year 1 - Munster - 21)
    Lock Sean McCarthy(Year 1 - Munster - 20)
    Lock John Madigan(Year 1 - Munster - 18)
    Lock Ross Molony(Year 1 - Leinster - 18)
    Backrow Shane Buckley(Year 3 - Munster - 21)
    Backrow Conor Gilsenan(Year 3 - Leinster - 20)
    Backrow Jack Conan(Year 2 - Leinster - 21)
    Backrow Josh Van Der Flier(Year 2 - Leinster - 20)
    Backrow Ryan Murphy(Year 2 - Munster - 20)
    Backrow Dan Leavy(Year 2 - Leinster - 19)
    Backrow Jack O'Donoghue(Year 2 - Munster - 19)
    Scrumhalf Luke McGrath(Year 3 - Leinster - 20)
    Scrumhalf Brian Haugh(Year 2 - Munster - 20)
    Scrumhalf Jack Cullen(Year 1 - Munster - 18)
    Outhalf Cathal Marsh(Year 2 - Leinster - 20)
    Outhalf Johnny Holland(Year 2 - Munster - 21)
    Outhalf Steve Crosbie(Year 1 - Leinster - 20)
    Outhalf Gearoid Lyons(Year 1 - Munster - 18)
    Centre Colm O'Shea(Year 3 - Leinster - 22)
    Centre Jordan Coghlan(Year 3 - Leinster - 20)
    Centre Harry McNulty(Year 2 - Munster - 20)
    Centre Tom Daly(Year 1 - Leinster - 20)
    Centre Rory Scannell(Year 1 - Munster - 19)
    Wing Andrew Boyle(Year 3 - Leinster - 22)
    Wing Sam Coughlan Murray(Year 3 - Leinster - 21)
    Wing Darren Moroney(Year 2 - Munster - 22)
    Wing Adam Byrne(Year 1 - Leinster - 19) - could also be at centre.
    Wing Greg O'Shea(Year 1 - Munster - 18)
    Fullback Darren Sweetnam(Year 2 - Munster - 20)
    Fullback David Johnston(Year 1 - Munster - 19)
    Fullback Billy Dardis(Year 1 - Leinster - 18)


  • #643
    lurtz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭lurtz


    Gearoid Lyons and Dave Shanahan to Ulster I think


  • #644
    Wattle
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    What now for Harrison Brewer?


  • #645
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Wattle wrote: »
    What now for Harrison Brewer?

    College, AIL rugby, u-19s rugby (maybe u20s), hope to get into the Academy next year.

    Although there will be two strong candidates pushing for their own Academy spot in the centre next season in the form of Peter Robb and Rory O'Loughlin.


  • #646
    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny
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    lurtz wrote: »
    Gearoid Lyons and Dave Shanahan to Ulster I think

    Gearoid Lyons was announced in the Munster Academy


  • #647
    FellasFellas
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    Hagz wrote: »
    College, AIL rugby, u-19s rugby (maybe u20s), hope to get into the Academy next year.

    Although there will be two strong candidates pushing for their own Academy spot in the centre next season in the form of Peter Robb and Rory O'Loughlin.

    Peter Robb is more suited to the English kinda game, maybe a move to Rotherham or Doncaster could be his calling. O'Loughlin oozes class, would rate him very highly. Can mix it up with the physical as well which is also impressive.


  • #648
    Ruck Inspector
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    Brewer is only leaving school, will be eligible for the under-20s for 2 years. Loads of time. Very, very few players go from under-18 Leinster to academy straight from school.


  • #649
    lurtz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭lurtz


    Not Playing Tiddlywinks Vinny wrote: »
    Gearoid Lyons was announced in the Munster Academy

    ah Im mistaken woe is me.


  • #650
    Ruck Inspector
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    Hagz wrote: »
    College, AIL rugby, u-19s rugby (maybe u20s), hope to get into the Academy next year.

    Although there will be two strong candidates pushing for their own Academy spot in the centre next season in the form of Peter Robb and Rory O'Loughlin.


    Still think Tom Farrell could also be in with a shout. Hopefully he can perform at the JWC.


  • #651
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Still think Tom Farrell could also be in with a shout. Hopefully he can perform at the JWC.

    Yes there's a good crop of centres coming through. I'll be interested to see how Sebastien Fromm does out of school, and then you have Fergal Cleary and Andy Marks who have the potential to be picked up out of school.

    If I'm not mistaken, after this season, Tom Daly will be the only centre in the Academy (excluding Byrne who I think will go down the back-three path), so I'd expect a couple to be taken in.


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  • #652
    Ruck Inspector
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    Hagz wrote: »
    Yes there's a good crop of centres coming through. I'll be interested to see how Sebastien Fromm does out of school, and then you have Fergal Cleary and Andy Marks who have the potential to be picked up out of school.

    If I'm not mistaken, after this season, Tom Daly will be the only centre in the Academy (excluding Byrne who I think will go down the back-three path), so I'd expect a couple to be taken in.


    Fergal Cleary, Adam Leavy and Andy Marks are going into 6th year and are all talented, rate Cleary highest right now. All three u19 next year.

    Harrison Brewer and Michael Courtney are both eligible u19 next year aswell, both are leaving school this year though. Have heard Brewer will be skipping to u20 level though not sure about Courtney.

    Sebastian Fromm, I think is u20 this season along with Robb and O'Loughlin


  • #653
    Hagz
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Sebastian Fromm, I think is u20 this season along with Robb and O'Loughlin

    I'm not sure about Fromm, but given that he's still in school I'd say he's u19. Robb and O'Loughlin are both u19. They paired together this year against England and France.


  • #654
    stellenbosch
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Fergal Cleary, Adam Leavy and Andy Marks are going into 6th year and are all talented, rate Cleary highest right now. All three u19 next year.

    Harrison Brewer and Michael Courtney are both eligible u19 next year aswell, both are leaving school this year though. Have heard Brewer will be skipping to u20 level though not sure about Courtney.

    Sebastian Fromm, I think is u20 this season along with Robb and O'Loughlin

    Agree that Cleary is a veryt talented centre as ge proved with Leinster and Ireland U18S

    Would say that from what i have seen Marks is a full back and Leavy is a winger-doers not have the physical presence to play centre at the top level. Courtney leaving CBC and is in the LU19 panel for next season.


  • #655
    Ruck Inspector
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    Hagz wrote: »
    I'm not sure about Fromm, but given that he's still in school I'd say he's u19. Robb and O'Loughlin are both u19. They paired together this year against England and France.

    Sorry I meant u20 next season with Robb and O'Loughlin.

    I assume Fromm wouldn't be viewed as a NIQ player, hard to really know.


  • #656
    lurtz
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    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    Sorry I meant u20 next season with Robb and O'Loughlin.

    I assume Fromm wouldn't be viewed as a NIQ player, hard to really know.

    well he's been here 3 years,just like Vas Artemyev was, and was asked to play Irish schools Im pretty sure but didnt because of his allegiance to Germany


  • #657
    RobbieRuns
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    stellenbosch wrote: »
    Agree that Cleary is a veryt talented centre as ge proved with Leinster and Ireland U18S

    Would say that from what i have seen Marks is a full back and Leavy is a winger-doers not have the physical presence to play centre at the top level. Courtney leaving CBC and is in the LU19 panel for next season.

    personally I have always thought moving forward that Cleary should try for scrum half, for me he is to small to be a centre. He is a talented boy though.


  • #658
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    RobbieRuns wrote: »
    personally I have always thought moving forward that Cleary should try for scrum half, for me he is to small to be a centre. He is a talented boy though.

    Is he any shorter than Olding though. I don't know his height so I can't really make judgement, but the likes of Marshall,D'Arcy,O'Malley and Olding aren't so tall themselves.


  • #659
    Ruck Inspector
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    Hagz wrote: »
    Is he any shorter than Olding though. I don't know his height so I can't really make judgement, but the likes of Marshall,D'Arcy,O'Malley and Olding aren't so tall themselves.

    you are forgetting about BOD, who is 5'9.5

    Cleary is around 5'10, but he is certainly not of slight build.


  • #660
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Ruck Inspector wrote: »
    you are forgetting about BOD, who is 5'9

    Yeah but Brian O'Driscoll is the exception to any rule so I left him out of it.


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  • #661
    RobbieRuns
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    I thought 5'8 to 5'9 but you might grab another inch at best. He is a good player with a great side step, just think that with his good hands that he might be suited to a role at scrum half. Not very many international centres at less than 5'10 now. Messers D'arcy and BOD have always been the exception.


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