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The Dylan Hartley thread [MOD WARNING POST #1]

  • 26-05-2013 8:32pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Thanks Dylan from an ulster fan for conforming to type and allowing Rory Best to take your place on the lions squad.

    Talk about taking one for the team.

    I remember watching you trying to mill the head off Rory earlier this season in the HEC and wondering how Best kept his calm......probably a measure of him and an insight into you I suppose.

    Anyway, thanks again Dylan.

    MOD EDIT: Regardless of the OP, this thread is NOT for abusing a player. If the discussion has merit, fine, but if the thread descends a 'lets all get a kick in on this guy and not discuss rugby at all' thread then it'll get closed fairly fast. Furthermore, this has NOTHING to do with the POC incident. If you want to use it as a yard stick for citing purposes then fine, but let's not go into details, as we all know how it'll end up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    Ah here. Do we have to dance on his grave?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    There ain't much to appreciate about the same Dylan:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭decisions


    Thanks, the HC final would not have been the same without you ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    durkadurka wrote: »
    Ah here. Do we have to dance on his grave?

    It's a bit of fun....to be fair he danced over a few people in his time.

    Anyway, Hartley, Ashton and Armitage are a few players I can think of that rub people up the wrong way so unfortunately when things go a bit pear shaped for them then some of us look on and think..."hard luck chuck!!"


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Thanks Dylan from an ulster fan for conforming to type and allowing Rory Best to take your place on the lions squad.

    Talk about taking one for the team.

    I remember watching you trying to mill the head off Rory earlier this season in the HEC and wondering how Best kept his calm......probably a measure of him and an insight into you I suppose.

    Anyway, thanks again Dylan.

    Well said that man.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Dylan is actually a very good player and that's the most annoying thing, he doesn't have to get involved in off the ball stuff or giving the ref a hard time to influence the game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Dylan is actually a very good player and that's the most annoying thing, he doesn't have to get involved in off the ball stuff or giving the ref a hard time to influence the game.

    But that's the whole problem, for five or six years now, we've been saying "well, if only he could sort out his discipline..."

    At what point does the balance swing to "well, he's a liability and he's not worth the hassle?"


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    But that's the whole problem, for five or six years now, we've been saying "well, if only he could sort out his discipline..."

    At what point does the balance swing to "well, he's a liability and he's not worth the hassle?"

    I'm not defending him as he brings on all this stuff by himself. It'll be interesting what happens next November with England though. Will Lancaster pick him or does he have many other options available to not pick him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I'm not defending him as he brings on all this stuff by himself. It'll be interesting what happens next November with England though. Will Lancaster pick him or does he have many other options available to not pick him.

    Lancaster named Rob Webber as captain against the BaaBaas if that means anything.


  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭rchendz92


    Odious man. Very pleased for Rory, mystery why he wasn't selected in the first place. Poor form in six nations yes, but that didn't stop some of last time's Lions being selected.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    He is one of the least likeable or admirable players in the game and I am very happy that he won't be there. Around the pitch Best is his equal and a much nicer person to be around.

    That said, Barnes made a dogs dinner of it yesterday; not excusing Hartley but he owes Northampton an apology for his botched instructions. I am however still enjoying the pantomine that marked the end of the first half.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,256 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    First Up wrote: »
    He is one of the least likeable or admirable players in the game and I am very happy that he won't be there. Around the pitch Best is his equal and a much nicer person to be around.

    That said, Barnes made a dogs dinner of it yesterday; not excusing Hartley but he owes Northampton an apology for his botched instructions. I am however still enjoying the pantomine that marked the end of the first half.

    Best is more than his equal to be fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    His wiki page tells all.

    Biting, gouging, punching and abuse of a referee....hardly a man you'd want in the trenches with you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    awec wrote: »
    Best is more than his equal to be fair.

    Best might well have got the original nod were it not for his tendency to blow lineouts. He was good yesterday though - main man for Ulster I thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Think this is a tad unnecessary, the guy did what he did and got the rightful punishment. Best is where he belongs on the tour and Hartley by his own fault is out. Dont think anything else needs to be said he got punished.
    I think if there's gonna be a hate page it should be for Delon Armitage. Has done equally nasty things and taunted a fellow pro in a major final. He gets no punishment for being an arrogant aggressive c**k


  • Registered Users Posts: 609 ✭✭✭English Lurker


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I'm not defending him as he brings on all this stuff by himself. It'll be interesting what happens next November with England though. Will Lancaster pick him or does he have many other options available to not pick him.

    Lancaster has said that Hartley will have to earn his trust again (ESPN's wording). I'm guessing that means Lancaster will plump for a different number tw hooker in the Autumn and see how it goes from there.

    Or at least, so I hope. I really don't rate Hartley in the slightest. For a long time the question has been "Who else" but there's been quite a few other guys who've had some England time and looked alright recently. If Mike Haywood could keep fit I think Hartley might be lucky to start for his club, nevermind his country...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    But they have been a threesome - Hartley, Ashton and Armitage. I give Lancaster credit for changing the ethos around the English when.. squad. They seemed a nicer bunch.,


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Yeah this is a **** thread and is about kicking a guy when you've gotten a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Yeah this is a **** thread and is about kicking a guy when you've gotten a chance.

    Hartley normally bites, gouges or punches when he gets a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Well the three I mentioned have made a point of being as arrogant and obnoxious as possible for quite a while so it is hardly a surprise Hartley isn't get much sympathy.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Hartley normally bites, gouges or punches when he gets a chance.

    Do 2 wrongs make a right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Do 2 wrongs make a right?

    To which two "wrongs" do you refer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    First Up wrote: »

    That said, Barnes made a dogs dinner of it yesterday; not excusing Hartley but he owes Northampton an apology for his botched instructions. I am however still enjoying the pantomine that marked the end of the first half.

    His instructions are very clear. "you can't kick it out" "play must restart" "you can't kick it out". He's a full time professional he should know the laws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Move on its been dealt with in a way everyone is happy with no need to keep it going.
    A lot of people weren't so keen to talk about the o Connell incident even though that had far more talking points and was less straight forward.
    This seems to be picking and choosing, and is nothing but a page to talk about how much we all hate Dylan Hartley and how we're delighted he's missing the biggest chance of his life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    mfceiling wrote: »
    His wiki page tells all.

    Biting, gouging, punching and abuse of a referee....hardly a man you'd want in the trenches with you.


    He was going to be made captain of England, and is captain of Northampton. I think he probably is. You don't become captain of a team unless all of your team-mates respect you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    His instructions are very clear. "you can't kick it out" "play must restart" "you can't kick it out". He's a full time professional he should know the laws.

    I think the Northampton guy heard don't kick it out directly, which he interpreted as "don't kick it out on the full". Barnes could have been more precise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Barnes used the word can't which with 82,000 in Twickenham can easily be mistaken for can especially with barnes' English accent. Needed to be more clear


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Swan Curry


    First Up wrote: »
    I think the Northampton guy heard don't kick it out directly, which he interpreted as "don't kick it out on the full". Barnes could have been more precise.

    Barnes had already told Myler the law clearly and concisely,do you want Barnes to take the bloody kick for him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    First Up wrote: »
    I think the Northampton guy heard don't kick it out directly, which he interpreted as "don't kick it out on the full". Barnes could have been more precise.

    You mean the guy who is paid to play rugby?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭padser


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Thanks Dylan from an ulster fan for conforming to type and allowing Rory Best to take your place on the lions squad.

    Talk about taking one for the team.

    I remember watching you trying to mill the head off Rory earlier this season in the HEC and wondering how Best kept his calm......probably a measure of him and an insight into you I suppose.

    Anyway, thanks again Dylan.

    I struggle to not agree with this sentiment. I think there is a measure of justice in his indiscipline depriving him of his lions tour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Barnes used the word can't which with 82,000 in Twickenham can easily be mistaken for can especially with barnes' English accent. Needed to be more clear

    This is beside the point because he locked it out on the full anyway didn't he?

    Looked to attempt to bounce it out but went out on the full.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭Gordon Gecko


    I wonder if the Lions win the series will Rory Best insist on lifting the trophy as he is a senior player to Warburton?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,674 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    The man has had 47 weeks worth of suspensions in the last six years.

    It's utterly ridiculous and he's a complete liability.

    Good riddance, glad the door is open for Best now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭ConFurioso


    Hartley may be an embarrassment to the ethos of rugby, but this thread is no better.

    He was punished. An excellent benchmark has been set. Let's move on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭totallegend


    ConFurioso wrote: »
    Hartley may be an embarrassment to the ethos of rugby, but this thread is no better.

    He was punished. An excellent benchmark has been set. Let's move on.

    The tone of some of the posts isn't great but people are going to want to discuss this incident. I'd prefer that it be limited to its own thread rather than stinking up the Lions thread, as was happening yesterday.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,963 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I wonder if the Lions win the series will Rory Best insist on lifting the trophy as he is a senior player to Warburton?

    ???????????

    I don't understand your logic here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    I wonder if the Lions win the series will Rory Best insist on lifting the trophy as he is a senior player to Warburton?

    ???
    The Lions haven't won anything nor is it nailed on that they will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    I wonder if the Lions win the series will Rory Best insist on lifting the trophy as he is a senior player to Warburton?

    Huh?... wouldn't BOD and POC be more senior also if we are to follow that logic?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    I wonder if the Lions win the series will Rory Best insist on lifting the trophy as he is a senior player to Warburton?

    No, it'll be John Terry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    +1 for being delighted that in a roundabout way Justice has been done. Whatever your thoughts are about Hartley/decision of the RFU you can't dispute how great it is that a man so deserving in Best is now going to Oz. He's been everything that Hartley has not been on and off a rugby pitch. Fantastic servant to the game in this country, great leader. I'm delighted for him. Look forward to seeing him winning the test spot now a bit like Paul Wallace did all those years ago.

    And for the record I'm not an Ulsterman, I'm a Leinster man who appreciates the good in all players no matter where they come from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Leslie91 wrote: »
    +1 for being delighted that in a roundabout way Justice has been done. Whatever your thoughts are about Hartley/decision of the RFU you can't dispute how great it is that a man so deserving in Best is now going to Oz. He's been everything that Hartley has not been on and off a rugby pitch. Fantastic servant to the game in this country, great leader. I'm delighted for him. Look forward to seeing him winning the test spot now a bit like Paul Wallace did all those years ago.

    And for the record I'm not an Ulsterman, I'm a Leinster man who appreciates the good in all players no matter where they come from.

    Well played Wayne Barnes. There is a huge amount of back chat and slagging on the touchlines going in various levels of rugby and when players / fans see it been dealt with severely at the highest levels they know it will happen to them if they do it.

    Very important Rugby maintains its ethos. You did the game a great service.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭Garseys


    The man has had 47 weeks worth of suspensions in the last six years.

    It's utterly ridiculous and he's a complete liability.

    Good riddance, glad the door is open for Best now.

    :eek: Thats nearly a year of suspensions out of 6 Years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Garseys wrote: »
    :eek: Thats nearly a year of suspensions out of 6 Years.

    Well actually there's what, 33, 34 weeks in a season? So it's actually more than a 6th of his playing time spent suspended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    The tone of some of the posts isn't great but people are going to want to discuss this incident. I'd prefer that it be limited to its own thread rather than stinking up the Lions thread, as was happening yesterday.

    This. I'm not a fan of the OP to be frank, but it doesn't break any specific rules of the charter, and I'd rather have all of this discussed in one thread rather than adding noise to a super thread elsewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    First Up wrote: »
    Speaking as someone who served a one month ban in here for sticking up for O'Connell I have to disagree with that!

    Yes, but let's not get into the POC incident again.

    On that note, I've added a note to the OP. I'd appreciate it if you all read it before posting further.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    .ak wrote: »
    Well actually there's what, 33, 34 weeks in a season? So it's actually more than a 6th of his playing time spent suspended.
    With such a poor disciplinary record, that would indicate statistically he'd be available to play half a test-match on the tour. Very poor selection decision initially, corrected by the fairness factor and the man's own major flaw.

    I'd like to hear a discussion as to how he was a leading contender from the start. The Lions Tour is seen as a reward for leading players. Was he chosen as the leading thug?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    The ironic part was Gatty said he wouldn't take anyone that was a liability....


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    I'm not close to a Hartley fan but I don't understand the celebrating of his demise which seems to be more prevalent than celebrating Best's success. Crass and unnecessarily lowering what is a great achievement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    The man has had 47 weeks worth of suspensions in the last six years
    Really??
    That's some record.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    mathepac wrote: »
    With such a poor disciplinary record, that would indicate statistically he'd be available to play half a test-match on the tour. Very poor selection decision initially, corrected by the fairness factor and the man's own major flaw.

    I'd like to hear a discussion as to how he was a leading contender from the start. The Lions Tour is seen as a reward for leading players. Was he chosen as the leading thug?

    It is reported that the Best/Hartley choice was the closest of all in the original selection. They are pretty even in terms of open play and in the tight. Best in my view will be a better tourist but undoubtedly his tendency to blow lineout throws at critical moments counted against him.


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