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Just seen a strange case of blatant racism on the bus home!

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  • #62
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Sauve wrote: »
    You're missing my point. Those with the advantage are people with genetic roots from East Africa, not 'black people' in general.

    83 people have broke the 10 second 100m, 1 was white, that scientifically proves the black people are more physically gifted in the leg strength department, all races are not equal, a black person has more chance of getting diabetes if overweight than a white man, will the pc liberals get annoyed at the posters reminding black over weight people there body is not equal to a white man?


  • #63
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Rightwing wrote: »
    If I call a black man, black,,i'm racist.
    If he calls me white man, he's not.

    There you go folks.

    The problems of racism summed up in one little sentence.

    Remarkable.


  • #64
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭stoneill


    The house next door is rented.
    I don't like unusual smells of cooking eminating from a bedroom,
    I don't like unidentified bits of meat hanging in the garden and dirty sanitary towels throw into a garden.
    I don't like the sounds of little girl crying late at night next door and the mumbled tones on an adult man.
    I don't like the regular waste being put into green bins.
    I don't like a multitude of cars parked illegally without a screed of tax or insurance.
    I don't like it that windows are not washed, the paint is peeling, the gutters overgrown and the garden is turning into a wilderness.
    I don't like it that the woman is carrying all the bags of shopping and he walks hands behind his back.

    Does that make me racist?


  • #65
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    gallag wrote: »
    Has it occurred to people that their opinion is shaped on experience? You dont stop at a red light in S.A unless nesacary and bars on house windows is common due to the prolific crime levels and unfortunately these crimes have a disproportionate representation from the black community. Remember these people have been conditioned from a young age to be wary of black people so I dont think it is a standard hate racism, more a result of experience. If the same people grew up in an afulant area in America surround by a large black community comprising of doctors, bankers etc they could have a different outlook, afterall there has to be a reason so many white s Africans dislike blacks?

    its the same as most irish people not liking gypsies, it does not make them bad people for holding an opinion shaped by experience.

    Wow, your way of looking at history is so backward I don't even know where to start...


    Have you considered just HOW Afrikaners ended up being affluent and comfortably middle class while the vast majority of Black and Indian people in South Africa lived abject poverty?


  • #66
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Wow, your way of looking at history is so backward I don't even know where to start...


    Have you considered just HOW Afrikaners ended up being affluent and comfortably middle class while the vast majority of Black and Indian people in South Africa lived abject poverty?
    thats a different debate though, you are looking to get to the crux of social inequality and find the reason why more blacks are involved in crime and I suspect we would agree on a lot of that debate but we are talking here if a white south African is a racist for being wary of black south africans, you admit your self the blacks will be more prone to crime because you offer a argument for the reason why, and that is valid, but alas the fact is they are more prone to crime and it is logical to be more wary of black people in South Africa.


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  • #67
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    gallag wrote: »
    83 people have broke the 10 second 100m, 1 was white, that scientifically proves the black people are more physically gifted in the leg strength department, all races are not equal, a black person has more chance of getting diabetes if overweight than a white man, will the pc liberals get annoyed at the posters reminding black over weight people there body is not equal to a white man?

    Fair enough I'll give you that.
    Still doesn't make one race 'superior' overall to another.


  • #68
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gallag wrote: »
    But what if one race is superior to another in certain quantifiable metrics? Is it absurd to believe that black people make the best 100m sprinters? What if you are a white south African and you have lived your life in fear of being a victim of the crime from the black community, does the behavioural conditioning that results from this make you a racist?


    By which "logic" a black African who has been the victim of apartheid can hate all white people. Yet I can safely say you wouldn't be making the same argument in that case.


  • #69
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    gallag wrote: »
    Has it occurred to people that their opinion is shaped on experience? You dont stop at a red light in S.A unless nesacary and bars on house windows is common due to the prolific crime levels and unfortunately these crimes have a disproportionate representation from the black community. Remember these people have been conditioned from a young age to be wary of black people so I dont think it is a standard hate racism, more a result of experience. If the same people grew up in an afulant area in America surround by a large black community comprising of doctors, bankers etc they could have a different outlook, afterall there has to be a reason so many white s Africans dislike blacks?

    its the same as most irish people not liking gypsies, it does not make them bad people for holding an opinion shaped by experience.

    I've honestly never met a belgian I liked. Therefore they're all cnuts. They were all white too. Guess that means all white people are bastards.


  • #70
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,008 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    gallag wrote: »
    thats a different debate though, you are looking to get to the crux of social inequality and find the reason why more blacks are involved in crime and I suspect we would agree on a lot of that debate but we are talking here if a white south African is a racist for being wary of black south africans, you admit your self the blacks will be more prone to crime because you offer a argument for the reason why, and that is valid, but alas the fact is they are more prone to crime and it is logical to be more wary of black people in South Africa.

    But not in Ireland.


  • #71
    Gbear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    stoneill wrote: »
    The house next door is rented.
    I don't like unusual smells of cooking eminating from a bedroom,
    I don't like unidentified bits of meat hanging in the garden and dirty sanitary towels throw into a garden.
    I don't like the sounds of little girl crying late at night next door and the mumbled tones on an adult man.
    I don't like the regular waste being put into green bins.
    I don't like a multitude of cars parked illegally without a screed of tax or insurance.
    I don't like it that windows are not washed, the paint is peeling, the gutters overgrown and the garden is turning into a wilderness.
    I don't like it that the woman is carrying all the bags of shopping and he walks hands behind his back.

    Does that make me racist?

    Believing that behaviour is representative of an entire race is what would make you racist.


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  • #72
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Gbear wrote: »
    Believing that behaviour is representative of an entire race is what would make you racist.

    Or that they behave like that because they are a particular race.


  • #73
    Make It Happen 968
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭Make It Happen 968


    To original poster dont act all shocked by racist comments, the majority of the world is racist whether they chose to say it or not. Dont forget the holocaust was only 70 years ago. 50 years ago blacks in america were beaten in the streets. 40 years ago catholics up north were treated like dirt. You are living a very sheltered life


  • #74
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,397 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Syllabus wrote: »
    Just 1 example of thousands

    In general (and i admit not every single one) black africans are sub human

    And for that you are no longer welcome on this site. Please take your racism elsewhere.


  • #75
    Potentially Toxic
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭Potentially Toxic


    Op, despite the fact those tourists were idiots they are entitled to like or dislike whoever they want for whatever stupid reasons they want. Who cares.


  • #76
    C.ENGSTUDENT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭C.ENGSTUDENT


    Make It Happen 968 wrote: »
    To original poster dont act all shocked by racist comments, the majority of the world is racist whether they chose to say it or not. Dont forget the holocaust was only 70 years ago. 50 years ago blacks in america were beaten in the streets. 40 years ago catholics up north were treated like dirt. You are living a very sheltered life

    I do not live a sheltered life. I was shocked how blatant it was, I know that many people are racist and don't let the world know about it. Its the face that it was on a bus, in Dublin, in 2013, Not the deep south 1950's.


  • #77
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Ah afrikaaners aint the worst, they just lack a filter between their brain and mouth.

    nah they have the filter its the brain they're lacking


  • #78
    Clareboy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Clareboy


    So What! Get over it! Nobody died! Just some harmless banter on a bus!


  • #79
    Meritocracy Wins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 205 ✭✭Meritocracy Wins


    Clareboy wrote: »
    So What! Get over it! Nobody died! Just some harmless banter on a bus!
    .

    Racism is never "just banter"


  • #80
    Make It Happen 968
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭Make It Happen 968


    C.ENGSTUDENT wrote: »
    I do not live a sheltered life. I was shocked how blatant it was, I know that many people are racist and don't let the world know about it. Its the face that it was on a bus, in Dublin, in 2013, Not the deep south 1950's.

    Have you seen the film hotel rwanda based in the 90s did that film shock you too? Don't deny that racism exists and will always exist. Take a year out of college and head to South Africa for a year, you will come back a changed man


  • #81
    Eramen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    Man professes low opinion of black people on public bus, probably based on previous experiences. (Which reminds me, ever tried to be a white person in SA.. yikes!)


    Don't you just hate it when people have the gall to upset the currently fashionable political trends? Derp

    *The Irishes plod out on high horses of various descriptions*


    One time I heard a black person say that he hates Asians AND whites, true story.

    I should make up a thread about it.. but alas human nature is a reality, so this stuff it to be expected/always will exist.


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  • #82
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Sauve wrote: »
    Fair enough I'll give you that.
    Still doesn't make one race 'superior' overall to another.

    Well, time to let the cat amongst the pigeons, we can agree that all races are not equal, white people have better pancreas and ability to combat heart disease and black people are more physically gifted, you have accepted that and when faced with facts like out of the 83 people to run 100m in under 10 seconds on 1 was not black its hard to argue the numbers.

    So we are at a point where we can all agree the numbers show that black people have an athletic advantage over white people, now where it gets troublesome is when you use the numbers to prove a negative, if you look at the numbers again you will see that white people have a intellectual advantage over black people, I am not saying black people are stupid just as I was not saying that all white people were slow, its just at the top end of intellectual achievement black people are as underrepresented as white people are in the 100m sprint, no black man has won a noble prise for math or science and if you Google 100 smartest people of all time you will notice the same trend.

    all races are not equal, some have advantages in some areas and some do not, out of the billions of chinese and indian people how many are competing in the top end of sport like boxing, football or mma? Yet there is such a high representation of them in the academic/medical world. I think to ignore these differences and pretend they are not real is silly, if we can all accept that black people have physical gifts and white people have some better internal organs why is it so emotive to suggest that white or indeed Indian people might have advantages in the brain department?

    Mod: Banned


  • #83
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Years ago i was on a manual handling course (being a building site labourer) and a couple of other building companies joined us for the day to take the course on our premises.

    One of the guys from the other companies was Nigerian and one of the employees of the firm i worked for (in his forties) spent the entire day looking him up and down, was the only person to avoid conversation over the course of the day and then asked him in total sincerity just as we were leaving for the day "Do you know Nelson Mandela?"

    Needless to say i was shocked. So was the Nigerian who laughed and said "No".

    They say racism is borne out of ignorance. Little did they realise how multi-layered such a statement can be.

    On South Africans, i had the pleasure of spending an evening with some South African friends of a friend of mine. I was taken aback at their unrepentant racism throughout the evening. White South Africans, in the majority, hate non-whites. A racist nation.


  • #84
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    gallag wrote: »
    ......
    all races are not equal, some have advantages in some areas and some do not, out of the billions of chinese and indian people how many are competing in the top end of sport like boxing, football or mma?


    Jaysus, you're right. There isn't even a hawaiian in any of the top sides in the GAA. They must just be crap at it. And Irish people are obviously genetically unsuited for Ice Hockey or beach volleyball.


  • #85
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    gallag wrote: »
    ,if you look at the numbers again you will see that white people have a intellectual advantage over black people, I am not saying black people are stupid just as I was not saying that all white people were slow, its just at the top end of intellectual achievement black people are as underrepresented as white people are in the 100m sprint, no black man has won a noble prise for math or science and if you Google 100 smartest people of all time you will notice the same trend.

    The above is more to do with historical and societal factors than physical makeup. Not saying the above is racist, more a flawed representation of statistics.


  • #86
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    stoneill wrote: »
    The house next door is rented.
    I don't like unusual smells of cooking eminating from a bedroom,
    I don't like unidentified bits of meat hanging in the garden and dirty sanitary towels throw into a garden.
    I don't like the sounds of little girl crying late at night next door and the mumbled tones on an adult man.
    I don't like the regular waste being put into green bins.
    I don't like a multitude of cars parked illegally without a screed of tax or insurance.
    I don't like it that windows are not washed, the paint is peeling, the gutters overgrown and the garden is turning into a wilderness.
    I don't like it that the woman is carrying all the bags of shopping and he walks hands behind his back.

    Does that make me racist?

    Could be worse, a black guy I know has a neighbour that:

    Sniffs his bedroom
    Peers into his garden
    Eavesdrops on what goes on in his house
    Goes through his garbage
    Checks his car tax
    Complains by his lack of DIY ability
    Watches his wife carry the shopping home

    I've tried telling him that not all irish people are like this, but he's too dumb/ignorant to understand


  • #87
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    There is a headache-inducing failure to understand the distinction between "different" and "unequal" from some of the participants here.


  • #88
    nlgbbbblth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    Rightwing wrote: »
    If I call a black man, black,,i'm racist.
    If he calls me white man, he's not.

    2 conclusions,
    PC is gone way OTT
    The very standards we are using are racist.

    Nothing wrong with using black.

    1) Ever heard of James Brown?
    SAY IT LOUD I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD.

    2) Black Music awards

    3) A book I saw recently - "Growing up black in Britain".
    woodoo wrote: »
    The word racist has lost its meaning these days it is so over used. Anything from calling a black board a black board

    Complete myth usually uttered by people who say "it's political correctness gone mad".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#False_accusations


  • #89
    jugger0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    gallag wrote: »
    Well, time to let the cat amongst the pigeons, we can agree that all races are not equal, white people have better pancreas and ability to combat heart disease and black people are more physically gifted, you have accepted that and when faced with facts like out of the 83 people to run 100m in under 10 seconds on 1 was not black its hard to argue the numbers.

    So we are at a point where we can all agree the numbers show that black people have an athletic advantage over white people, now where it gets troublesome is when you use the numbers to prove a negative, if you look at the numbers again you will see that white people have a intellectual advantage over black people, I am not saying black people are stupid just as I was not saying that all white people were slow, its just at the top end of intellectual achievement black people are as underrepresented as white people are in the 100m sprint, no black man has won a noble prise for math or science and if you Google 100 smartest people of all time you will notice the same trend.

    all races are not equal, some have advantages in some areas and some do not, out of the billions of chinese and indian people how many are competing in the top end of sport like boxing, football or mma? Yet there is such a high representation of them in the academic/medical world. I think to ignore these differences and pretend they are not real is silly, if we can all accept that black people have physical gifts and white people have some better internal organs why is it so emotive to suggest that white or indeed Indian people might have advantages in the brain department?

    I read a great article on this before, physical differences between races do exist, limb length, bone density, types of muscle (West Africans have more fast twitch muscle fiber then whites hence the 100 meters being dominated by them) why is it so hard for people to accept differences in intelligence between races?


  • #90
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Nodin wrote: »
    Jaysus, you're right. There isn't even a hawaiian in any of the top sides in the GAA. They must just be crap at it. And Irish people are obviously genetically unsuited for Ice Hockey or beach volleyball.

    I dont get your point, I guess you are saying that its more about the sports they play at home but there are many millions of chinese/indian people living in europe/America etc that are into football/boxing etc you will accept the numbers if the prove a positive, like the indians are a very intelligent race and many succeed in a medical career but you will become emotive if I say somthing that can be born out in fact but negative. Did you consider mabey the Chinese on average will be about 5 inches smaller than say an American and thats why we see more Americans in sports than chinese, even sports not native to them like soccer.


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  • #91
    Eramen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    gallag wrote: »
    if we can all accept that black people have physical gifts and white people have some better internal organs why is it so emotive to suggest that white or indeed Indian people might have advantages in the brain department?


    I think we both know the answer to that. We're dealing with people who have been told their whole lives, in school, on tv, by govt officials that 'all people are the same' or 'we are all equal'. They believe this without questioning. The equality cult is much the same as a bad religion. If you question their mere opinions even remotely it is classed as heresy and it's weaknesses covered-up with name-calling.

    Thing is only well-fed, better-off white people seem to have contracted the disease of the utopianist mindset, nobody else the world over has really taken to this absurd, ignorant and unscientific opinion that "everyone is equal".

    They'd laugh in your face if you suggested it.

    Of course it's taboo to say that anti-racism is probably the worst form of racism, because it alludes to trying to achieve a 'raceless' society. Yet in doing so it nullifies cultural and personal identities of diverse and individual people in favor of a monoculture of globalisation - where things like family, roots, sex, tradition, language, customs are trodden on and stripped of their value. All in pursuit of a foolish dream that denies & is woefully ignorant of human nature.


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