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Just seen a strange case of blatant racism on the bus home!

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  • #32
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Has it occurred to people that their opinion is shaped on experience? You dont stop at a red light in S.A unless nesacary and bars on house windows is common due to the prolific crime levels and unfortunately these crimes have a disproportionate representation from the black community. Remember these people have been conditioned from a young age to be wary of black people so I dont think it is a standard hate racism, more a result of experience. If the same people grew up in an afulant area in America surround by a large black community comprising of doctors, bankers etc they could have a different outlook, afterall there has to be a reason so many white s Africans dislike blacks?

    its the same as most irish people not liking gypsies, it does not make them bad people for holding an opinion shaped by experience.


  • #33
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    I know one white south african man and hes the best guy youll ever meet. I also know a white zimbabwean whose one of the nicest guys ive ever met, idk if he counts tho. He has the same accent as the south african people anyways:pac: SO theyre not all bad atleast!


  • #34
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    While I don't condone racism, its very easy for us here in ireland to criticise such a mentality without having an appreciation for how things are at the moment over in South Africa, and indeed the likes of Zimbabwe. Relative to South Africa, we have zero experience of racism or racial divides in this country, so we can't relate

    Again, I'm not condoning the mentality, however people need to understand that South Africa is a dangerous place, and its very easy to see how these attitudes are nurtured among the middle class, in otherwise decent, rational people
    OK, you could probably argue that saying you don't like people from Soweto, for example, isn't racist, but I can't see how straight out saying you don't like a particular race can be anything else other than racist.


  • #35
    Syllabus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Syllabus


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Eh, Im just gonna jump in here, to confirm im not a racist.

    I was talking about the SA


  • #36
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Syllabus wrote: »
    I was talking about the SA

    Ah okay.


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  • #37
    captainzero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35 ✭captainzero


    C.ENGSTUDENT wrote: »
    Hi, I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar encounter with open racism in front of everyone.

    On the bus coming home yesterday evening, I was waiting to get off and I was queuing behind a couple that spoke with Southern African accents, one of them chats to the driver about there travel around Europe.

    Then drops this bombshell "Yeah I like Ireland, not too many black people eh?"
    I was really shocked that he said it, so to was the driver who spoke how great black people like Phil Lynott were in reply to him. Then the backpacker said "well I don't like em".

    It happened so quickly in a bus full of people, he wasn't joking, he was serious.
    everybody should have a headcam like the demon cyclist


  • #38
    Herrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Herrick


    mfceiling wrote: »
    They are south african OP.

    What did you expext from them?
    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Ah afrikaaners aint the worst, they just lack a filter between their brain and mouth.
    FearDark wrote: »
    In my experience living and working with South Africans they are the most racist bunch I have ever come across.
    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    I like Ireland too. There's not that many white South Africans here.

    Gotta love this place. There's nothing wrong with generalizing and making digs at Afrikaner's.

    But yet if you were to say anything remotely similar about Nigerians, etc the same crowd are up in arms and screaming racist, bigot, etc

    Wonder if we'll see any Mod action on these comments.


  • #39
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Gotta love this place. There's nothing wrong with generalizing and making digs at Afrikaner's.

    But yet if you were to say anything remotely similar about Nigerians, etc the same crowd are up in arms and screaming racist.

    Wonder if we'll see any Mod action on these comments.

    South African and Nigerian aren't races though, they are nationalities.


  • #40
    Herrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Herrick


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    South African and Nigerian aren't races though, they are nationalities.

    Yes, unfortunately it doesn't stop plenty here using the term when it suits them.


  • #41
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,178 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    If your opinion is to criticise/judge an entire race or ethnicity on the basis of the few that you've met, then you're a racist surely?
    Well, white South Africans have far more first-hand experience with actual Africans than most Irish people ever will have. For every Nelson Mandela, there's at least one Winnie Mandela). Which doesn't justify racism, but racism doesn't just pop up out of nowhere for no reason.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



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  • #42
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    OK, you could probably argue that saying you don't like people from Soweto, for example, isn't racist, but I can't see how straight out saying you don't like a particular race can be anything else other than racist.

    I never said otherwise.

    My point was simply that people need to understand the root causes of such attitudes, rather then simply just regurgitating the "racism is evil" mantra, and assuming everyone with an attitude as described by the op in some sort of devil worshipping nazi.

    The only was to change these sort of attitudes is to first address the socioeconomic issues in South Africa. Otherwise, you're just painting over rust


  • #43
    moneymad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    C.ENGSTUDENT wrote: »
    Hi, I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar encounter with open racism in front of everyone.

    On the bus coming home yesterday evening, I was waiting to get off and I was queuing behind a couple that spoke with Southern African accents, one of them chats to the driver about there travel around Europe.

    Then drops this bombshell "Yeah I like Ireland, not too many black people eh?"
    I was really shocked that he said it, so to was the driver who spoke how great black people like Phil Lynott were in reply to him. Then the backpacker said "well I don't like em".

    It happened so quickly in a bus full of people, he wasn't joking, he was serious.

    Are you that ignorant of south African history and current affairs?
    http://sunettebridges.co.za/a-year-from-hell-the-truth-about-south-africa/

    *25 July 2012: Walkerville, Gauteng:The entire Viana-family was massacred on their smallholding. 12-Year-old Amano was tortured and drowned in boiling water. His mother Geraldine (43) was gang raped and killed and his father, Tony (53) was shot


  • #44
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    bnt wrote: »
    racism doesn't just pop up out of nowhere for no reason.

    No it doesn't, you're right. It pops up out of the absurd belief that your race is superior to another. The reason is irrelevant because believing that 'black south africans are all criminals' is as ignorant a statement as 'all Irish people are alcoholics', or 'all dogs I see want to bite me', it's ridiculous.


  • #45
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Meritocracy Wins wrote: »
    Racist South Africans, well I never. Used to work with a good few, they were all racist just some hid it better than most. Ireland is also full of Irish racists, some hide it better than others.

    They live in a country that is 90% black maybe they know something we don't. Not that i'm agreeing with what he said though. Any black people i have met have been nice people.


  • #46
    Syllabus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Syllabus


    moneymad wrote: »

    *25 July 2012: Walkerville, Gauteng:The entire Viana-family was massacred on their smallholding. 12-Year-old Amano was tortured and drowned in boiling water. His mother Geraldine (43) was gang raped and killed and his father, Tony (53) was shot


    Just 1 example of thousands

    In general (and i admit not every single one) black africans are sub human

    Mod: banned


  • #47
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,901 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Not exactly related, but...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb7ghkEi32w


  • #48
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    gallag wrote: »
    Has it occurred to people that their opinion is shaped on experience? You dont stop at a red light in S.A unless nesacary and bars on house windows is common due to the prolific crime levels and unfortunately these crimes have a disproportionate representation from the black community. Remember these people have been conditioned from a young age to be wary of black people so I dont think it is a standard hate racism, more a result of experience. If the same people grew up in an afulant area in America surround by a large black community comprising of doctors, bankers etc they could have a different outlook, afterall there has to be a reason so many white s Africans dislike blacks?

    its the same as most irish people not liking gypsies, it does not make them bad people for holding an opinion shaped by experience.

    Leave Black people alone FFS.
    trollface


  • #49
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Herrick wrote: »
    Gotta love this place. There's nothing wrong with generalizing and making digs at Afrikaner's.

    But yet if you were to say anything remotely similar about Nigerians, etc the same crowd are up in arms and screaming racist, bigot, etc

    Wonder if we'll see any Mod action on these comments.


    Yes vomit inducing hypocrisy by the 'right on' liberals.


  • #50
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,867 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    The Queen of England wrote: »
    Eim frum Sud Afrika und I like it hear cuz there ain't too many blicks abuat.
    Any chance you could ask your husband to join this debate??


  • #51
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    While I don't condone racism, its very easy for us here in ireland to criticise such a mentality without having an appreciation for how things are at the moment over in South Africa, and indeed the likes of Zimbabwe. Relative to South Africa, we have zero experience of racism or racial divides in this country, so we can't relate

    Again, I'm not condoning the mentality, however people need to understand that South Africa is a dangerous place, and its very easy to see how these attitudes are nurtured among the middle class, in otherwise decent, rational people

    So where is this Ulster that people speak of ? Or has Ireland's history just been wiped out or eliminated from your brain..


    Best way to píss off white Afrikaners is to call them African, Its what I do at work and the bloke hates it.


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  • #52
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gallag


    Sauve wrote: »
    No it doesn't, you're right. It pops up out of the absurd belief that your race is superior to another. The reason is irrelevant because believing that 'black south africans are all criminals' is as ignorant a statement as 'all Irish people are alcoholics', or 'all dogs I see want to bite me', it's ridiculous.

    But what if one race is superior to another in certain quantifiable metrics? Is it absurd to believe that black people make the best 100m sprinters? What if you are a white south African and you have lived your life in fear of being a victim of the crime from the black community, does the behavioural conditioning that results from this make you a racist?


  • #53
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    If I call a black man, black,,i'm racist.
    If he calls me white man, he's not.

    2 conclusions,
    PC is gone way OTT
    The very standards we are using are racist.


  • #54
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    gallag wrote: »
    But what if one race is superior to another in certain quantifiable metrics? Is it absurd to believe that black people make the best 100m sprinters? What if you are a white south African and you have lived your life in fear of being a victim of the crime from the black community, does the behavioural conditioning that results from this make you a racist?

    You're right there to a certain extent, people from Kenya and in general, eastern Africa have leg muscles and tendons that are aligned to make them better sprinters.
    That said, there are black people in Kenya, and everywhere else that I could beat in a race, so generalising by saying that 'black people make the best 100m sprinters' is daft.

    To answer your other question, yes, I think that behavioural conditioning makes you racist. As an adult, you should be able to distinguish for yourself.

    I was brought up in a very religious house and believed all that was taught to me, but when I became an adult and started thinking for myself, I realised that I don't actually believe in any of it, and dropped all that I had been taught.

    Just because you were brought up with certain beliefs, doesn't mean you have to keep them.


  • #55
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Rightwing wrote: »
    If I call a black man, black,,i'm racist.
    If he calls me white man, he's not.

    2 conclusions,
    PC is gone way OTT
    The very standards we are using are racist.

    The word racist has lost its meaning these days it is so over used. Anything from calling a black board a black board to a horrible attack on some one because of their race.


  • #56
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    LordChessington wrote: »
    Not exactly related, but...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb7ghkEi32w

    The lads he spoke to are all quoting Jimmy Rabbitte from The Commitments. lol


  • #57
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Sauve wrote: »
    You're right there to a certain extent, people from Kenya and in general, western Africa have leg muscles and tendons that are aligned to make them better sprinters.
    That said, there are black people in Kenya, and everywhere else that I could beat in a race, so generalising by saying that 'black people make the best 100m sprinters' is daft..

    How is it daft? It is as plain as the nose in your face. If they have these muscles that align favourably for running or sprinting then that will be the edge when you get to the very top. That will tip the balance in favour of black people when all else is equal, effort, training, dedication, nutrition etc.


  • #58
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    woodoo wrote: »
    How is it daft? It is as plain as the nose in your face. If they have these muscles that align favourably for running or sprinting then that will be the edge when you get to the very top. That will tip the balance in favour of black people when all else is equal, effort, training, dedication, nutrition etc.

    You're missing my point. Those with the advantage are people with genetic roots from East Africa, not 'black people' in general.


  • #59
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I heard a case recently about this:

    An Aussie telling an Irish person to eat more potatoes,,,,is that racist?


  • #60
    Syllabus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Syllabus


    charlemont wrote: »
    So where is this Ulster that people speak of ? Or has Ireland's history just been wiped out or eliminated from your brain...

    I didnt realise that the ulster folk were of a diff race to the rest of ireland....


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  • #61
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    charlemont wrote: »
    So where is this Ulster that people speak of ? Or has Ireland's history just been wiped out or eliminated from your brain..

    .

    There's obviously comparisons yes, and fourty years ago theyd have been quiet similar. However the current situation in ireland is vastly different to that in South Africa, which is why I removed the two.

    The majority in the republic wouldn't have any experience of sectarianism to any measurable degree. Obviously, any catholic from the north who lived through the bad old days, would have experience of it.

    Northern Ireland though today is in no way similar to South Africa today. Its a dangerous place, and im not talking about tigers bay dangerous, im talking about real shanty towns, No life value, private Armed security on most middle class private houses dangerous. There's not the same poverty, racial divide or economic hardship which is what is continuing to fuel attitudes in South Africa


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