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Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    I think you misinterpret what a few other posters have said. Your lofty and patronising posts (admittedly with a gra for John Bull) show that you are anything but a laid back and happy old hippy. Boring is the adjective that springs to my mind.

    Yes, clearly I should be nestling amongst the flora and fauna at the foothills of Mount Errigal, or bursting through the stony grey soil with a hurley in one hand and a rosary in the other. Because it's all one or the other, innit? A chara :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭gallag


    old hippy wrote: »

    Yes, clearly I should be nestling amongst the flora and fauna at the foothills of Mount Errigal, or bursting through the stony grey soil with a hurley in one hand and a rosary in the other. Because it's all one or the other, innit? A chara :D
    Do you at least smoke weed? :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    I think you misinterpret what a few other posters have said. Your lofty and patronising posts (admittedly with a gra for John Bull) show that you are anything but a laid back and happy old hippy. Boring is the adjective that springs to my mind.


    I can't see what he's saying wrong. He's simply acknowledging that an anti-Irish sentiment exists but not denying that it also goes the other way (this is not what this thread is about though). I experienced it on 3 separate occasions while living there that were out and out offensive and a shed load of stupid Irish jokes (which didn't offend so much). I've experienced anti-Irish comments directed at me twice in a very aggressive manner while living here in Spain. It exists. The stories can't be discounted as lies. All Old Hippy is doing is acknowledging it and stating (very logically) that just because you haven't experienced something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    Can't see why people are so aggressive towards him.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    gallag wrote: »
    Do you at least smoke weed? :-)

    Nope. I used to, back in the day & I've no problem with anyone who does.

    I think we're slightly veering off topic, mind ;)

    Odd, isn't it - how a topic like this can descend into what one's personal habits are? :D

    Let's get back on to what makes this thread tick.

    People here have experienced unpleasant anti-Irish sentiments & also, people here haven't.

    Nobody's asking sides to be taken - but don't you think any form of discrimination is worth discussing?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭philstar


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I'm not saying banter amongst friends is unacceptable, what I'm saying is that people you've never met in your life sitting behind you in a pub going "potato potato" while you're chatting to your girlfriend is unacceptable.

    you mean like this.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    I was in Kansas City a while back and met a very nice couple at a diner. They showed me around the city and of the places that they brought me to was an Irish heritage centre. They showed me a job vacancy sign that said "no Irish need apply" so that was kind of showing me how leople have become less racist over the years or else that some are racist and others aren't.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    poisonated wrote: »
    I was in Kansas City a while back and met a very nice couple at a diner. They showed me around the city and of the places that they brought me to was an Irish heritage centre. They showed me a job vacancy sign that said "no Irish need apply" so that was kind of showing me how leople have become less racist over the years or else that some are racist and others aren't.

    Last year, in Atlanta, my cousin brought me to an "Irish" bar. It had pictures of Ireland and Scotland all over the place and the staff were wearing kilts. There were people of Irish heritage, Scottish, Ulster Scots and so on. And nobody brought up any difficult subjects. It was very, very refreshing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭RossyG


    DISCLAIMER: This is purely anecdotal evidence based on living in southern England all my life (ie. since 1970). I'm of Irish descent but have a British passport, a Scottish-sounding Christian and surname and an English accent.

    I've never witnessed any nasty anti-Irishness. By that I mean hatred rather than ignorance. Even during the Troubles the ire was directed at the IRA and their supporters rather than the Irish as a whole. News reports from Belfast or (London)Derry filled with people squawking about "Cath'lics" and "Prodder-stunts" could provoke irritation and anger, but this wasn't aimed at "Southern" Ireland.

    In the 70's, stories about thick Irishmen abounded and were fairly common on TV. I'd see this more as ignorance than hatred. It's unpleasant to be thought of as childlike, but it was patronising rather than loathing. Also Irish people, notably Frank Carson, were just as likely to perform such material as any British comic. Not an excuse, mind...

    Since the 80's, such material has become largely unacceptable. Irish gags are pretty much off-limits nowadays.

    The term "That's a bit Irish" was once commonplace but is dated and largely unacceptable nowadays. It was used to describe something that used a skewed logic. Again, I don't think it was a hate-filled term but I can imagine people finding it a bit patronising.

    I was at school 1975-87. For a couple of years I had an Irish teacher and there were kids with names like O'Keefe, Doody etc. I never heard any nasty cracks about their heritage.

    I remember when I was in middle school spending a cold hour or so on the playing field along with the rest of the school. Someone had phoned the secretary and said there was a bomb in the school. Everyone suspected it was a bored local youth putting on an accent to cause a bit of trouble, but the police had to be called. I'm fond of a laugh so I put on an Irish accent and said, "Teachers, you were Game For A Laugh," referring to a prank show of the time. But the Irish accent was just an imitation of the presenter, Henry Kelly. It never occurred to me or anyone else to equate his Irishness with the IRA.

    As mentioned before, British TV was full of Irish faces like Wogan and Eamonn Andrews. They were much-loved.

    These days I'd say the Irish were liked by most British people. You can always find haters, but I'd say they were very rare. Irish history isn't taught here and I doubt people know or care about the potato famine. For most people here, what happened pre-1939 doesn't count. They'd no more feel responsible for the Famine or Black and Tans as modern Italians feel responsible for anything Garibaldi did. And why should they?

    One thing about Southern English people is that if they hear an accent that's different to theirs then it's worth remarking upon. This seems to be more friendly curiosity than anything although it could probably get boring after a while. Stuff about "potato" and "say three" are probably feeble attempts at banter for the most part.

    And if people here imitate your accent it's probably because, as with the Australian accent, it sounds like such fun that people want to have a go. Annoying, but not fuelled by malice.

    Again, these are just personal observations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    I think RossyG has put it in a nut shell. I lived in London for 11 years and most of the anti Irish stuff directed at me was based on ignorance. 99% of the Brits were very nice but you do get a few knuckle draggers who, because of their own insecurities, need to put down what they see as a threat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Sometimes though I think most people in England think that people with northern accents are staunch protestant loyalists.

    I have a Tom Selleck moustache and beard/long hair sometimes, don't know if any of that contributes. I do look like a stereotypical terrorist if I am to be honest

    http://cache2.artprintimages.com/LRG/37/3777/EEGIF00Z.jpg

    does hiberno-phobia by northern unionists count?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    Sometimes though I think most people in England think that people with northern accents are staunch protestant loyalists.

    I have a Tom Selleck moustache and beard/long hair sometimes, don't know if any of that contributes. I do look like a stereotypical terrorist if I am to be honest

    http://cache2.artprintimages.com/LRG/37/3777/EEGIF00Z.jpg

    does hiberno-phobia by northern unionists count?

    That's hibernophobiaphobia: the fear of enocountering hated/feared because you're Irish.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    I was the bus from Dublin airport into the city centre. A group of 6 or 7 young German fellas were sitting across from me. The TV in the bus was playing that tourist video about things to see in Dublin. Long and the short of it was they seemed to make an effort (through english) to have a great skit about how the only things to see in the city was the Guinness Brewery and........ eh, Ive forgotten the other thing the ad mentioned.....

    Maybe they had a point! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    That's hibernophobiaphobia: the fear of enocountering hated/feared because you're Irish.

    no i'd be more worried about people prejudicing against my moustache, being called a 1970's pornstar or paedophile, 21 year old fellows with them are a rarity nowadays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Seemingly the Romans were not too keen on Hibernia. This surely must be the first recorded Hibernophobia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    no i'd be more worried about people prejudicing against my moustache, being called a 1970's pornstar or paedophile, 21 year old fellows with them are a rarity nowadays.

    In two posts, you've registered fear at being mislabeled a terrorist, a 70s porn star (why that would be a problem, I don't know) and a pedophile because you have a moustache. There probably is a word to describe such a phobia, but I have no idea what that is!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    In two posts, you've registered fear at being mislabeled a terrorist, a 70s porn star (why that would be a problem, I don't know) and a pedophile because you have a moustache. There probably is a word to describe such a phobia, but I have no idea what that is!

    where did i say i have a fear of being mislabeled a terrorist? I have no fear of what strangers think I may be, I just mean that looking 'scruffy' and having long hair whilst having an accent that the terrorists of 'the troubles' had and the fact that I usually am nervous and shifty in airports (as i hate tham) may cause some foolish people to think I have a ruck sack full of explosives.

    In terms of the moustache post, that was a joke and was not meant to be taken literally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    where did i say i have a fear of being mislabeled a terrorist? I have no fear of what strangers think I may be, I just mean that looking 'scruffy' and having long hair whilst having an accent that the terrorists of 'the troubles' had and the fact that I usually am nervous and shifty in airports (as i hate tham) may cause some foolish people to think I have a ruck sack full of explosives.

    In terms of the moustache post, that was a joke and was not meant to be taken literally.

    ...nor was the reply.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    ...nor was the reply.

    ok now we are on the same page


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    ONeill2013 wrote: »
    ok now we are on the same page

    Yes, but shave off that dman moutache! People will think you;re an 80s footballer.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭ONeill2013


    Yes, but shave off that dman moutache! People will think you;re an 80s footballer.

    i'm just ahead of the fashion, trust me, in the next 20 years the moustache trend will return again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    gallag wrote: »
    Exactly, people who dont hate the brits get labeled.

    Personally I've only ever seen the term West Brit used online to be honest...

    And people who bother to post online tend to have stronger feelings toward whatever subject is being discussed...

    Not every one in Ireland is an Anglophobe but every Anglophobe in Ireland is on the internet. Empty vessels and all that:p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Hiberno-what? Does such a term even exist.

    And no ive rarely experienced it. Quite the opposite in fact.

    Only ever as prefix before an insult. You stupid Irish-Paddy-Mick whatever.

    If I had big ears, buck teeth or ginger hair that would have been used instead. That said, Ive never been to Australia. I hear the Irish aint flavour of the month there - but thats not too surprising considering a large minority of Irish knobs have emigrated there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    I was in the Basque Country and a bunch of NI drunken yobs did the Irish flag burning trick and were immediately pounced in by heavily armed police, charged with some kind of attempting to insight ethnic violence type offence and bundled into the back of a van!

    Never a great idea to behave like a xenophobic, violent maniac !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman and Paddy Scotsman walk in to a bar, a good time was had by all.

    Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman, Paddy Scotsman and Paddy Welshman walked into a bar. The barman said, "Is this a fcuking joke?"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman, Paddy Scotsman and Paddy Welshman walked into a bar. The barman said, "Is this a fcuking joke?"
    Who?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    The one thing you'll generally find though is that people who actually go around seeing the world as a collection of stereotypes are usually as thick as two short planks and about as interesting to talk to!

    First racist, xenophobic, regionalism or other stereotyping just causes my eyes to glaze over and a sudden desire to talk to someone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Big Davey


    circadian wrote: »
    Was once told that during Bloody Sunday that "we didn't kill enough of you".
    He was firmly in his arse.

    Was also once told by a National Front member that I had no right to hold an Irish passport if I was from Nothern Ireland. He also said that Irish passport holders had no place in the education system in England.

    I just told him he was mental because he clearly was.

    Why did you not put the national front guy on his arse too ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman and Paddy Scotsman walk in to a bar, a good time was had by all.

    why why why? few Englishmen and Scotsman are called Paddy. The traditional UK version would be simply "an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman.."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    corktina wrote: »
    why why why? few Englishmen and Scotsman are called Paddy. The traditional UK version would be simply "an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman.."

    A Mick, a Jock and a Pom.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    Was stopped by airport police in airport near Canary Wharf, and questioned about the Omagh bombing. They delayed me enough to miss my flight. I had no money or anywhere to go, so I needed to contact the company who had brought me over for interviews to get a bed for the night. This was less than ideal.

    There was no reason for them to stop me outside of the fact I was holding an Irish passport. I've zero connection to the IRA, and zero sympathy for them. In fact, several family members were in the British armed forces, and my grandparents on one side used to fly a Union Jack in their garden back before the Troubles started and it was no longer socially acceptable. A likely candidate to be involved with the Omagh Bombing I certainly am not.

    I don't look dodgy, and never get randomly stopped by police. I don't have a criminal record. I was wearing a suit at the time. I was stopped only because of an Irish passport, and apparently passing through Boston on a J1 when you're 19 is enough to be suspected of fundraising for the IRA.

    How did I respond to it? I was aware that they could arrest me for 48h without a warrant under the Prevention of Terrorism Act if they had a whim to do so - no other reason needed really. They repeatedly informed me that my flight wouldn't leave without me even after they kept me beyond the departure time. I responded to them openly and politely as it seemed the best way to handle it I the situation. Someone came over to the airport police and asked him if he'd told me that my flight had gone. I was very annoyed. The policeman dismissed me pretty much immediately. I spoke to Aer Lingus who gave me a flight the next day (without extra charge) and I contacted the company I had had interviews for to say I needed a bed for the night, which they provided for me in the same 4* hotel they'd put me up in the previous night.

    Note that since this occurred the powers of British police to randomly **** with people have been increased. Since 2005 they can do things like seize your passport on a whim.

    It didn't leave me with negative feelings towards British people. It probably has contributed to a semi-secret loathing I have of police and the judiciary in general. I perceive a culture of corruption, bullying and cowardice in both.


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