Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

Mr_Spaceman · 11-03-2013 02:01PM

old hippy wrote: »

I don't feel uptight about it. There will always be people who wish to sweep it under the carpet and downplay it. That's their perrogative to do so.

You remind me of the type of person who says that racism doesn't exist - simply because they've never experienced it. Which again, is your perrogative.

Thanks for making stupid judgements about me by the way. You know nothing about me and my attitude to racism.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 02:02PM

gallag wrote: »

Or big into reading, but like being pedantic?

When I try and read in between the lines as regards your posts, I see nothing. Emptiness born out of a desperation to post, get involved and stir up a feeble controversy.

Speak your mind, man or talk to someone who deals in obscurities and half heartedness.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 02:04PM

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

Thanks for making stupid judgements about me by the way. You know nothing about me and my attitude to racism.

I judge you on this thread by your rejection of other people's experiences. I fully believe that you and your Irish mates have never had a bad experience. I'm truly happy for you - but you can't just claim anti-Irish sentiment is exaggerated simply because you haven't experienced it.

gallag · 11-03-2013 02:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

When I try and read in between the lines as regards your posts, I see nothing. Emptiness born out of a desperation to post, get involved and stir up a feeble controversy.

Speak your mind, man or talk to someone who deals in obscurities and half heartedness.

Ah, ok then, could you explane why you felt the need to tell me you did not like gaa when I never accused you of such insted of addressing your obvious pedantic attitude over someone using the term "mainland", that was not just you stirring up feeble controversy was it?

Mr_Spaceman · 11-03-2013 02:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

I judge you on this thread by your rejection of other people's experiences. I fully believe that you and your Irish mates have never had a bad experience. I'm truly happy for you - but you can't just claim anti-Irish sentiment is exaggerated simply because you haven't experienced it.

I'm glad you're happy for me. I don't know how I'd cope with all this widespread anti-Irish sentiment I face without your solidarity.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 02:10PM

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

I'm glad you're happy for me. I don't know how I'd cope with all this widespread anti-Irish sentiment I face without your solidarity.

And there we go. End of dialogue.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 02:11PM

gallag wrote: »

Ah, ok then, could you explane why you felt the need to tell me you did not like gaa when I never accused you of such insted of addressing your obvious pedantic attitude over someone using the term "mainland", that was not just you stirring up feeble controversy was it?

And the desperation continues.

gallag · 11-03-2013 02:35PM

old hippy wrote: »

And the desperation continues.

Ill just assume your pedantic challenge against the term "mainland" which shows a slight bit of resentment to the UK goes against your super liberal over the top pc online persona and instead of addressing it you would rather throw out one liners to avoid the conversation. Thats fine, I will mention it no more.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 02:39PM

gallag wrote: »

Ill just assume your pedantic challenge against the term "mainland" which shows a slight bit of resentment to the UK goes against your super liberal over the top pc online persona and instead of addressing it you would rather throw out one liners to avoid the conversation. Thats fine, I will mention it no more.

There’s an unusual common parlance amongst some of those who would dismiss the discrimination of Irish people. The UK, a separate entity, is referred to as the “mainland”. As if, somehow, it is a superior entity to Ireland. This appellation and use of, in itself, I would place in the broad basket of latent sectarianism. At the very least, it’s an attempt to belittle the existence and independence of Ireland. I say this as someone who is neither unionist nor nationalist. But does have family from both protestant and catholic backgrounds.

The experience of anti-Irish sentiment in the UK is very well documented over the years. There’s a wealth of information on it, aside from mere anecdotes, out there, if you care to look. I’m guessing, however, you don’t care to look and would rather play it down. It’s not fashionable to complain about it, after all, right?

gallag · 11-03-2013 02:59PM

old hippy wrote: »

There’s an unusual common parlance amongst some of those who would dismiss the discrimination of Irish people. The UK, a separate entity, is referred to as the “mainland”. As if, somehow, it is a superior entity to Ireland. This appellation and use of, in itself, I would place in the broad basket of latent sectarianism. At the very least, it’s an attempt to belittle the existence and independence of Ireland. I say this as someone who is neither unionist nor nationalist. But does have family from both protestant and catholic backgrounds.

The experience of anti-Irish sentiment in the UK is very well documented over the years. There’s a wealth of information on it, aside from mere anecdotes, out there, if you care to look. I’m guessing, however, you don’t care to look and would rather play it down. It’s not fashionable to complain about it, after all, right?

Thank you, I can see your point but feel you are really stretching for outrage, I call it the mainland without any malice for ireland or the irish but it is something I cannot say does not happen. In my experience the resentment and hate between the irish and British is one sided, obviously in ni you have a lot of hate between the unionists/nationalists but I have never heard a english man speek badly of the irish but have herd many irish rants about the English.

Madam · 11-03-2013 03:29PM

gallag wrote: »

Thank you, I can see your point but feel you are really stretching for outrage, I call it the mainland without any malice for ireland or the irish but it is something I cannot say does not happen. In my experience the resentment and hate between the irish and British is one sided, obviously in ni you have a lot of hate between the unionists/nationalists but I have never heard a english man speek badly of the irish but have herd many irish rants about the English.

You have never heard an iffy Irish joke or a Paddy go home jibe in the UK ? If not you must be the only person in these Islands:rolleyes:

Paddy Cow · 11-03-2013 03:47PM

old hippy wrote: »

The UK, a separate entity, is referred to as the “mainland”. As if, somehow, it is a superior entity to Ireland.

I think you're reading to much into it. It's more likely a miss use of the term UK. When I hear "mainland UK", in my head I'm picturing Northern Ireland and Great Britain and taking it to refer to Great Britain only. I still use England and Britain interchangeably when I mean Britain

It doesn't mean I think Scotland and Wales are less important than England, though people from there might infer that and I'm sure if I made the mistake around them they'd pull me up on it pretty quickly.

gallag · 11-03-2013 03:50PM

Madam wrote: »

You have never heard an iffy Irish joke or a Paddy go home jibe in the UK ? If not you must be the only person in these Islands:rolleyes:

In the uk I have heard many iffy irish jokes but never the same level of resentment the irish hold for the British.

Mr_Spaceman · 11-03-2013 03:57PM

BBC London have obviously not heard the term before either as they are devoting a few hours tomorrow to 'Irish London'.

Madam · 11-03-2013 03:59PM

gallag wrote: »

In the uk I have heard many iffy irish jokes but never the same level of resentment the irish hold for the British.

How do you explain the West Brits then?;)

Paddy Cow · 11-03-2013 03:59PM

gallag wrote: »

In the uk I have heard many iffy irish jokes but never the same level of resentment the irish hold for the British.

800 YEARS!!!! :mad: *rabble rabble rabble* etc

gallag · 11-03-2013 04:04PM

Madam wrote: »

How do you explain the West Brits then?;)

Exactly, people who dont hate the brits get labeled.

Madam · 11-03-2013 04:16PM

gallag wrote: »

Exactly, people who dont hate the brits get labeled.

Of course they do - same in any country really we all like to slag off our near neighbours and if some go against the norm they get labled. You think the Irish are bad you should come to Scotland!!!!

gallag · 11-03-2013 04:33PM

Madam wrote: »

Of course they do - same in any country really we all like to slag off our near neighbours and if some go against the norm they get labled. You think the Irish are bad you should come to Scotland!!!!

So what is the equivalent in England for example? West irish? I know there is banter but having a name for a section of your community who do not display an obvious hate to the British is uniquely irish and further proves the irish animosity towards the British is more prevalent.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 04:37PM

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

BBC London have obviously not heard the term before either as they are devoting a few hours tomorrow to 'Irish London'.

BBC London, formerly GLR have devoted time in the past to features on racism. Mr Ken Livingston, amongst others, have talked about it.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 04:39PM

gallag wrote: »

So what is the equivalent in England for example? West irish? I know there is banter but having a name for a section of your community who do not display an obvious hate to the British is uniquely irish and further proves the irish animosity towards the British is more prevalent.

Ironically, I've been called West Brit back home and on board.ie for not being a nationalist or uber patriot :rolleyes:

Madam · 11-03-2013 04:41PM

gallag wrote: »

So what is the equivalent in England for example? West irish? I know there is banter but having a name for a section of your community who do not display an obvious hate to the British is uniquely irish and further proves the irish animosity towards the British is more prevalent.

You never heard the term 'Sassenach'?:)

kunst nugget · 11-03-2013 04:43PM

Madam wrote: »

You never heard the term 'Sassenach'?:)

Doesn't have the same meaning as West Brit.

Madam · 11-03-2013 04:48PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Doesn't have the same meaning as West Brit.

South Brit?:) It's not exactly a pet name now is it?

Fratton Fred · 11-03-2013 04:50PM

Madam wrote: »

Of course they do - same in any country really we all like to slag off our near neighbours and if some go against the norm they get labled. You think the Irish are bad you should come to Scotland!!!!

But doing it to the Irish Hibernophobic apparently.

Madam · 11-03-2013 04:53PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

But doing it to the Irish Hibernophobic apparently.

Hmmm, yet Gallag is hinting we Irish(or a large percenage are)Anglophobes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-03-2013 05:51PM

Madam wrote: »

How do you explain the West Brits then?;)

gallag wrote: »

So what is the equivalent in England for example? West irish? I know there is banter but having a name for a section of your community who do not display an obvious hate to the British is uniquely irish and further proves the irish animosity towards the British is more prevalent.

Perhaps you guys could help. I get labeled a West Brit a lot, but I haven't lived in the UK in 15 years. Since then I've lived mostly in Denmark and now Berlin.

Am I South Brit? East Brit? South-South East-if you hit Poland you've gone too far-Brit? Or have I been absolved of all references to Britain (I only lived there 18 months) and should I now be referenceing my location to Denmark, seeing as it's my most recent residency? Making me a South Dane? Or do only Swedes get to invoke this right?

What if I leave Berlin and move to, say Italy? Am I West Brit East Brit South Dane South but not as south as Denmark Berliner?

I'm very confused, Joe.

Also, is calling an Irishman a West Brit an incidence of hibernophobia? I mean, it is demonstrating a fear/dislike of someone who is Irish? Or does it have to come from a Brit to be classed as such? If so, why?

kabakuyu · 11-03-2013 06:03PM

gallag wrote: »

Exactly, people who dont hate the brits get labeled.

And those that criticise anything British are called shinners.

old hippy · 11-03-2013 06:08PM

I've said it before, "west brit" is a problem on so many levels.

It infers that somehow you're not a "real" Irish person.

It also infers that being British is somehow a bad thing, something of ridicule.

Having said that, I think we're slipping off topic.

In answer to the question; yes - some of us have experienced anti-Irish sentiment.

It doesn't happen every day but it does happen on occasion. It's not pleasant, it's not something you can constantly ignore. It does get to you on occasion and no, it's not an exaggeration.

TheLastMohican · 11-03-2013 06:24PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ironically, I've been called West Brit back home and on board.ie for not being a nationalist or uber patriot :rolleyes:

I think you misinterpret what a few other posters have said. Your lofty and patronising posts (admittedly with a gra for John Bull) show that you are anything but a laid back and happy old hippy. Boring is the adjective that springs to my mind.

Have you ever experienced hibernophobia?

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