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Match Thread: Leinster Rugby vs Ospreys, Friday 03rd May 19:45, TG4/S4C

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  • #202
    silverbirch66
    Closed Accounts Posts: 53 ✭✭silverbirch66


    .ak wrote: »
    Wow, what did SOB ever do to you? :D

    Name one Irish player who played better in the 6N? His work on the deck, his hands, his ability to get behind gain line - he's by far one of the best forwards in the home nations.

    Also, why is on the Lions tour if he isn't any good?
    .ak wrote: »
    If you're trying to bundle SOB into the same category as Dylan and Matt you're opinion on SOB must be tainted SOMEHOW. ;)

    Seriously, nobody who outplays McCaw at 7 in his own backyard is overrated.
    You asked why is he going on tour if he is so bad-I pointed out 2 examples of guys who also were going to OZ and are nothing special either.Just because you are picked out of 37 doesnt mean you are a world beater.

    Underdogs often outplay their superiors in one off battles.Its nothing new in sport.Look at the grand national this year-66/1 winner:D


  • #203
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    :confused: did SOB not get it? or did tg4 give one and rabodirect another?

    There's always two at the RDS. The tv stations award one, and then the official man of the match sponsor of the day.


  • #204
    Pudsy33
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    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    You asked why is he going on tour if he is so bad-I pointed out 2 examples of guys who also were going to OZ and are nothing special either.Just because you are picked out of 37 doesnt mean you are a world beater.

    Underdogs often outplay their superiors in one off battles.Its nothing new in sport.Look at the grand national this year-66/1 winner:D

    What do you think are the weaknesses in his game? What Lions teammates are superior to him?


  • #205
    Bridge93
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    Based on tonight I'd be picking Sean o Brien ahead Tipuric for 6 anyway.


  • #206
    Tigerandahalf
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    Obrien is good but where do you play him? Too small for 6 or 8 where he would be a weakness re lineouts, too small and too heavy to lift. He has great explosiveness but I dont think he is a great link player, he needs to be more aware and offload rather than charging straight ahead. At 7 he doesnt seem to have the skillset for that position. He is regularly pinged and do you want him at the bottom of a ruck when he has that explosiveness.


  • #207
    trouttrout
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Obrien is good but where do you play him? Too small for 6 or 8 where he would be a weakness re lineouts, too small and too heavy to lift. He has great explosiveness but I dont think he is a great link player, he needs to be more aware and offload rather than charging straight ahead. At 7 he doesnt seem to have the skillset for that position. He is regularly pinged and do you want him at the bottom of a ruck when he has that explosiveness.

    With POC, Heaslip, AWJ and Warburton in the pack you wouldn't need to use him in the lineout

    He completely does have the skillset for 7 too btw. He's been playing there more than anywhere else for the last 3 years


  • #208
    trouttrout
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    Conway was my MOTM but I was hugely impressed by the McGrath boys


  • #209
    silverbirch66
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    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Obrien is good but where do you play him? Too small for 6 or 8 where he would be a weakness re lineouts, too small and too heavy to lift. He has great explosiveness but I dont think he is a great link player, he needs to be more aware and offload rather than charging straight ahead. At 7 he doesnt seem to have the skillset for that position. He is regularly pinged and do you want him at the bottom of a ruck when he has that explosiveness.

    Now you are talking,Tiger.

    SOB is bascially a young bull-great when introduced firstly on he scene.Does a few moves in his infancy and impresses the cows.Bombs across the field,sun on his back.Legend.All good.

    Then the old bull(s) comes on the scene and slowly starts to figure him out.

    Question now is do you snip him,let him have some more grass and eat him or let him grow?

    Im not sure but I do love a nice T-bone.:D


  • #210
    Larbre34
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    Great performance tonight, nice mix of fast and physical. Great showing from our departing players unfortunately with a special word for Jack McGrath who came of age. Big things ahead for that young man.

    Just as well we have 8 days to turn around, tired bodies at the end but at least the master puppetry from Joe has preserved some of our top players for the run-in.

    Few lovely moments in the Laighin Out tonight with Isa and VDM in the post match interviews. Lot of emotion on their faces. The long goodbye has begun...


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  • #211
    trouttrout
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    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    Now you are talking,Tiger.

    SOB is bascially a young bull-great when introduced firstly on he scene.Does a few moves in his infancy and impresses the cows.Bombs across the field,sun on his back.Legend.All good.

    Then the old bull(s) comes on the scene and slowly starts to figure him out.

    Question now is do you snip him,let him have some more grass and eat him or let him grow?

    Im not sure but I do love a nice T-bone.:D

    humor fail


  • #212
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    Now you are talking,Tiger.

    SOB is bascially a young bull-great when introduced firstly on he scene.Does a few moves in his infancy and impresses the cows.Bombs across the field,sun on his back.Legend.All good.

    Then the old bull(s) comes on the scene and slowly starts to figure him out.

    Question now is do you snip him,let him have some more grass and eat him or let him grow?

    Im not sure but I do love a nice T-bone.:D

    Sense, this makes little.


  • #213
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    Now you are talking,Tiger.

    SOB is bascially a young bull-great when introduced firstly on he scene.Does a few moves in his infancy and impresses the cows.Bombs across the field,sun on his back.Legend.All good.

    Then the old bull(s) comes on the scene and slowly starts to figure him out.

    Question now is do you snip him,let him have some more grass and eat him or let him grow?

    Im not sure but I do love a nice T-bone.:D

    ......oh, for he love of God, what on earth....??????!!!!


  • #214
    silverbirch66
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    humor fail

    All messing aside,anyone know how many tries he got this season and how many metres he made when he got past the first tackle?

    That would be of interest


  • #215
    cormacjones
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    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    All messing aside,anyone know how many tries he got this season and how many metres he made when he got past the first tackle?

    That would be of interest

    Go on, tell us then. I actually think he's played well this season, when fit, but I'd be interested in hearing the statisics you've researched to criticise him with.


  • #216
    errlloyd
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    Pretty sure he has ridiculous tackling stats too.


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  • #217
    almighty1
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    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    All messing aside,anyone know how many tries he got this season and how many metres he made when he got past the first tackle?

    That would be of interest

    Have a gander for yourself http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html?class=1;type=player

    You do realise that there is more to back-row play than tries and metres made?


  • #218
    Buer
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    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    All messing aside,anyone know how many tries he got this season and how many metres he made when he got past the first tackle?

    That would be of interest

    In ERC rugby this season, he has averaged 27.5m per game with ball in hand which is seriously impressive considering two of his four games were against Clermont and there's no game that really skews his stats; he made consistent ground in all games.

    Whilst doing this, he still managed to consistently be one of the top tacklers on the field, completing 9.75 tackles per game. No other Leinster player matches that count for the 4 games, including Heaslip who is generally acknowledged to be Leinster's biggest tackler.

    He also beat 7 defenders in them. It doesn't seem like the opposition have him figured out at all.


  • #219
    cython
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    silverbirch66 wrote: »
    Now you are talking,Tiger.

    SOB is bascially a young bull-great when introduced firstly on he scene.Does a few moves in his infancy and impresses the cows.Bombs across the field,sun on his back.Legend.All good.

    Then the old bull(s) comes on the scene and slowly starts to figure him out.

    Question now is do you snip him,let him have some more grass and eat him or let him grow?

    Im not sure but I do love a nice T-bone.:D

    I'm willing to bet that SOB knows a lot more about both back-row play and those bulls and cattle that you're talking about than you do yourself!


  • #220
    whatawaster
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    O'Brien is world class, what is this nonsense.
    Top class tackler, one of the best ball carriers, great on the ground


  • #221
    Bogota
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    SOB was one of Ireland's best performers in the 6N. He was excellent yesterday as well. Considering the ridiculous competition for the backrow places on the Lions, I don't think any backrow who is 'overrated' would be touring. Silverbirch probably suffers from the simplistic "if hes not making 40metre breaks there's something wrong" mentality. Is he making the breaks he did in 2011/2012? No, but his game is still superb. Hes outrageously marked at this stage, just like BOD was after his break through years. He completely world class. Selected on the 2011 World Cup dream team, ERC player of the year in 2011, outplayed Richie McCaw in NZ in 2012 and Ireland's top performer in 6N in 2013. Less of the nonsense please.


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  • #222
    tolosenc
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Sense, this makes little.

    I think he's comparing SOB to John Hayes, and then makes out that they are both rubbish.

    You should take out a hit, thomond.


  • #223
    molloyjh
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    So anyway, back to the game. It shows how much I know about rugby anyway, which is apparently sweet F A. Really delighted with the result. To get a TBP win over our bogey team while missing a lot of our first string team is huge IMO. Special mention has to go to Jack McGrath and Jamie Hagan in the front row. I thought both were really excellent. Luke McGrath for his first senior start did very well too. Some of his passing wasn't 100% but if that's the only complaint we have then it was a pretty good display from him.

    Ferg had a very good game from outside centre, which I was worried about. And Conway. Well what can I say. Again that shows me after what I said in my preview. Yes he wasn't great defensively and was at fault for a try but that still leaves him 2 tries to the good so I'm not going to get too upset over it.

    Disappointed Drico didn't come on. Really wanted to get another rendition of 1 More Year going.

    Isa and Heinke in the Laighann Out afterwards rounded off a pretty decent night it has to be said. Great to see Heinke get the reception he got alongside Isa. And the Happy Birthday. Unsung hero if ever there was one. I really rate him and while so many people bang on about Isa, it seemed Heinke was quietly slipping away. Great to see him get the acknowledgement from the fans.

    Semi-final tickers booked. Roll on Saturday.


  • #224
    trouttrout
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    Anyone got a video of Healy's try?


  • #225
    FellasFellas
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    trouttrout wrote: »
    Anyone got a video of Healy's try?


  • #226
    trouttrout
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    Did Conway slap that back into his path? If so it's a masterful piece of skill


  • #227
    .ak
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    Think he was a bit lucky, looked like he was trying to gather it and maybe thinking about the pass too early. Bounce favored us though... as it did most of the night. All that money towards the grounds keeping staff paid off! ;)


  • #228
    jamiedav2011
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    Thoughts on Quinn Roux last night?

    Also, anyone know what the story with Boss is? Hope the injury isn't bad, because we'l certainly need him for the Glasgow game.


  • #229
    trouttrout
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Thoughts on Quinn Roux last night?

    Also, anyone know what the story with Boss is? Hope the injury isn't bad, because we'l certainly need him for the Glasgow game.

    Thought he was poor. Still way to early to say if he's been a decent signing but I think Leinster fans would like to see a bit more from him next season


  • #230
    Swan Curry
    Registered Users Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Swan Curry


    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Thoughts on Quinn Roux last night?

    Also, anyone know what the story with Boss is? Hope the injury isn't bad, because we'l certainly need him for the Glasgow game.

    I don't understand Roux.He looks like a big strong guy,but he falls off tackles anyone should make,like the one on Biggar that allowed him to score.He reminds me of Devin Toner two seasons ago.


  • #231
    Neil3030
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    Textbook Freddie pose by Healy


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  • #232
    jamiedav2011
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    Swan Curry wrote: »
    I don't understand Roux.He looks like a big strong guy,but he falls off tackles anyone should make,like the one on Biggar that allowed him to score.He reminds me of Devin Toner two seasons ago.

    His missed tackle count must be absolutely enormous. Technique is so poor.

    I dunno, I don't see much in him bar a very athletic frame. Not good in lineout and poor pillar.

    He does carry well and is very quick, though should be hitting more rucks with his size.


  • #233
    leftleg
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    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    His missed tackle count must be absolutely enormous. Technique is so poor.

    I dunno, I don't see much in him bar a very athletic frame. Not good in lineout and poor pillar.

    He does carry well and is very quick, though should be hitting more rucks with his size.

    hes still clearly a work in progress and lets hope one more year can straighten out the issues he has. Id say the strong showing in the scrum can be directly related to him though.


  • #234
    Hype710
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    I've defended Roux before and still think there is potential there, but it's gota be Cullen-Toner from here on in.


  • #235
    durkadurka
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    Joes doing a great job of managing his squad with rotation and injuries.
    We should be fairly fresh going into the last few games.


  • #236
    .ak
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    Boss and EOM were eating icecreams at HT behind the Anglesea stand.... Dunno what relevance that has, but the icecream truck behind the Anglesea stand serves up a mean 99.


  • #237
    rrpc
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    Swan Curry wrote: »
    I don't understand Roux.He looks like a big strong guy,but he falls off tackles anyone should make,like the one on Biggar that allowed him to score.He reminds me of Devin Toner two seasons ago.
    He has certainly been dropping off tackles in the last two games I've seen him in. However in his early cameos before his injury, that wasn't evident in his play, so I feel he's lost a bit of confidence and gained a bit of fear.

    I think he just needs a decent run of games to get the confidence back and lose the fear and I'd say that's what Joe's trying to achieve.

    Worth it I'd say because he looked like the real deal early in the season.


  • #238
    yimrsg
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    Roux broke his collar bone mid season and there's a few posters in the Leinster team thread that have done the same saying it took them about 4 months before they were back to their best and weren't compensating for it. I'd be willing to give him loads of time and assume his tackling isn't 100% yet. To be fair the whole team's tackling has been ropey at times this year.


  • #239
    irishbucsfan
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    Quinn hasn't been great lately but from earlier in the season it's very easy to see that if he's lucky with injury for the next 6 months he could well be starting beside McCarthy in October. With a full preseason he could be very good.

    And he'll be very useful to have off the bench for the rest of this season.

    I think we might have great strength at lock next season when McCarthy is here, with Cullen, Toner, Marshall and Roux fighting it out for spots. And in 3/4 years time hopefully the likes of Flanagan or Thornbury will put on pressure to replace McCarthy.

    God I hope McCarthy doesn't flop!


  • #240
    P_1
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    .ak wrote: »
    Boss and EOM were eating icecreams at HT behind the Anglesea stand.... Dunno what relevance that has, but the icecream truck behind the Anglesea stand serves up a mean 99.

    Hardy souls, would have thought it was a tad cold for ice creams at HT :pac:


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  • #241
    Swan Curry
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    While we're talking about food at the RDS,did anyone here use the mustard at the Sausage Shack near the South Stand?If so,did it taste really strange,almost like bleach for anyone else?I know this is a strange question,but I'd like to know if it was just me or not.


  • #242
    19543261
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    P_1 wrote: »
    Hardy souls, would have thought it was a tad cold for ice creams at HT :pac:

    Ah common, I hate that kinda talk. We live in Ireland for feck sake, no time is right for icecream. Meaning every time is right! Yum.


  • #243
    irishbucsfan
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    Swan Curry wrote: »
    While we're talking about food at the RDS,did anyone here use the mustard at the Sausage Shack near the South Stand?If so,did it taste really strange,almost like bleach for anyone else?I know this is a strange question,but I'd like to know if it was just me or not.

    You mean the yellow bottle of bleach beside the Sausage Shack near the South Stand?


  • #244
    Grimebox
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    Interesting game plan from Osperys, dress like Clermont to instil fear in the Leinster camp


  • #245
    decisions
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    Anyone else notice Nige posing for pictures down the north stand before ko?


  • #246
    ConFurioso
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    yimrsg wrote: »
    Roux broke his collar bone mid season and there's a few posters in the Leinster team thread that have done the same saying it took them about 4 months before they were back to their best and weren't compensating for it. I'd be willing to give him loads of time and assume his tackling isn't 100% yet. To be fair the whole team's tackling has been ropey at times this year.

    Also, Roux is still only a wee lad at 22. honestly, sometimes I forget how young he is. :o


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  • #247
    thetl
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    ConFurioso wrote: »
    Also, Roux is still only a wee lad at 22. honestly, sometimes I forget how young he is. :o

    Yes very early to be writing him off


  • #248
    CatFromHue
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    Buer wrote: »
    14 I thought. Was sprinting across and did a cartoon stutter stop, trying to turn and run back when he saw the long pass coming.
    LukeyPoke wrote: »
    No Conway was caught completely out of position on that one. He actually turns around and runs the other way when he realizes his mistake. These mistakes can be ironed out but you can't coach the type of pace he is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae5O_9MMUis


    It was Kearney who rushed out of defence. You can see the 15 jersey at 32sec


  • #249
    rrpc
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae5O_9MMUis


    It was Kearney who rushed out of defence. You can see the 15 jersey at 32sec
    But it was Conway who was out of position. He should have been covering wing and left acres of space.


  • #250
    CatFromHue
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    I can't remember the play before the clip so don't know why Conway was so far in.

    In saying that there's no reason why Kearney should have rushed out of the line like that with so many players inside him and only one guy for him to cover on the outside. It was a high risk move by Kearney and it failed.


  • #251
    rrpc
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I can't remember the play before the clip so don't know why Conway was so far in.

    In saying that there's no reason why Kearney should have rushed out of the line like that with so many players inside him and only one guy for him to cover on the outside. It was a high risk move by Kearney and it failed.
    It's high risk, but something Leinster players seem do a lot. On your own line, it can push the attacking line back and may force a turnover. Kearney may have done it because he knew there was no-one outside him and he was never going to be able to drift that wide.


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