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My LS430 - Converted to LPG - Review

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  • #152
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Suasdaguna1 wrote: »
    Well our pals in revenue can't "dip" gas? All smart ars@ comments aside how can the Feds regulate this?

    In a nutshell, they cant. Revenue have no method to tell the difference between duty paid and non duty paid LPG.


  • #153
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    Does the supplier charge the extra road fuel duty?


  • #154
    Basil Fawlty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    Its cheap enough stop trying to find a scam. Give it time and it will be back in petrol stations.


  • #155
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Could a semi truck run on lpg?
    Full lpg instead of diesel?


  • #156
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Could a semi truck run on lpg?
    Full lpg instead of diesel?

    Not fully as a diesel has no source of ignition ie, a sparkplug. There are kits that make diesels run on a 50/50 mix and the lpg is ignited by the self ignition of diesel.

    Edit, here is a better explanation:
    http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/diesel-caution.html


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  • #157
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    mullingar wrote: »
    Not fully as a diesel has no source of ignition ie, a sparkplug. There are kits that make diesels run on a 50/50 mix and the lpg is ignited by the self ignition of diesel.

    Edit, here is a better explanation:
    http://www.tinleytech.co.uk/diesel-caution.html

    Ok then, Is there a gas engine that can replace the engine in a semi truck,
    say a 500 hp swap


  • #158
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    http://www.westport-hd.com/

    I guess there is such an engine
    That would save a fortune in a semi truck here


  • #159
    Bandara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Basil Fawlty wrote: »
    Its cheap enough stop trying to find a scam. Give it time and it will be back in petrol stations.

    I don't think it will, not for a very very long time


  • #160
    Basil Fawlty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭Basil Fawlty


    Keep the faith. I have two cars that run on LPG. Two years ago the nearest place to me in Dun Laoghaire was Newbridge, now there are stations in Bray, Tallaght and Finglas. I know they are not in petrol stations but give it time.


  • #161
    aidanki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭aidanki


    whats happens with car insurance if you are running on gas?

    does the price go up much, you obviously would have to tick the car is modified box when filling out the form

    one last question, is it possible to fill up from a gas cyclinder that I buy from local shop, ie the gas that I use to power a gas cooker?


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  • #162
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    aidanki wrote: »
    whats happens with car insurance if you are running on gas?

    does the price go up much, you obviously would have to tick the car is modified box when filling out the form

    one last question, is it possible to fill up from a gas cyclinder that I buy from local shop, ie the gas that I use to power a gas cooker?

    The insurance should not go up as its not a performance midification, its only a secondary fuel.

    And yes, you can fill with the big red propane cylinders (NOT the yellow), buy a small lpg transfer pump and place the cylinder upsidedown so liquid comes out rather than the vapour take off. The problem is that it works out to be much dearer per litre than the petrol station.



    Edit, assuming that a 47kg propane cylinder is €125 (Example)

    47kg propane is 94 litres of LPG, that equates to €1.33 litre.


    I just googled the UK price which is £60, or roughly €70, yes, thats HALF the price to here. Calor/Flogas are such robbers! If we had the UK price, thats just 75c/litre!!!

    Edit 2. Gas in UK attracts a 5% VAT, its 13.5% here,

    UK: Including tax is €70, roughly €67 ex vat.
    ROI: Including tax is €125, roughly €110 ex vat.........Thats some feckin mark up, cnuts


  • #163
    aidanki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭aidanki


    whats flashlube that I see mentioned with regard to LPG conversions

    are there any extra filters or any extra servicing associated with this LPG conversion


  • #164
    Matt Simis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    aidanki wrote: »
    whats flashlube that I see mentioned with regard to LPG conversions

    are there any extra filters or any extra servicing associated with this LPG conversion

    In all fairness, can you not read the thread and the others here and maybe google Flashlube? Its all been discussed here, in this thread and forum fairly recently.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Flashlube

    Coming in with piles of easily searchable one liner questions is just a waste of everyones time, yours included.


  • #165
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    In all fairness, can you not read the thread and the others here and maybe google Flashlube? Its all been discussed here, in this thread and forum fairly recently.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Flashlube

    Coming in with piles of easily searchable one liner questions is just a waste of everyones time, yours included.

    Thank you, someone with sense.:)


  • #166
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    if somebady wants to see car converted to LPG after crash go to lpgain website www.lpgain.com


  • #167
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,542 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sorel wrote: »
    if somebady wants to see car converted to LPG after crash go to lpgain website www.lpgain.com

    Impressed !

    I take it she rolled ?

    Who's car was that ? Driver o.k ?


  • #168
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Impressed !

    I take it she rolled ?

    Who's car was that ? Driver o.k ?
    This is the description of the photos, so I guess driver OK

    "This is a car converted with our partner from Cork. Unfortunately, after a few weeks car had an accident with a powerful blow to the back of the car. In the pictures you can see that the tank was not damaged, and the vehicle's owner decided to remove the STAG autogas system and install it to a new car".


  • #169
    oneD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 ✭oneD


    If somebody has any experience with LPG- no matter whether good or bad, please write on this topic here. It will surely help others
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84140545#post84140545


  • #170
    who_ru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭who_ru


    Hi.

    I'm driving a Mazda 6 1.8 Petrol 2009.

    getting the conversion done next wednesday 24/04 with LPGain in Tallaght.

    the cost is 1000 euros with the tank going in the spare wheel well - will just have to get used to driving without a spare i guess.

    the flashlube system will cost an extra 50 bucks the lads told me so i will opt for that system.

    i probably do approx 10,000 km per year, about 90% urban driving.

    the lucky thing for me is that there is now a refill station point on the N4 in Palmerstown, just behind Aldi, you can see it from the road, on the left, heading into town. i'm in chapelizod so very handy, other than that i could go to Finglas to fill up.

    my insurance company, FBD require a report from LPGain after the system is installed but nothing more.

    will report back after conversion is done.


    p.s. - the Irish Govt is not even remotely serious about protecting the environment. If it was then your motor tax should be adjusted accordingly after the conversion to LPG is done, as it is in the UK, where conversion to LPG is encouraged.


  • #171
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    oneD wrote: »
    If somebody has any experience with LPG- no matter whether good or bad, please write on this topic here. It will surely help others
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84140545#post84140545

    There's a pretty long thread already, here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84142011


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  • #172
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    I see that LPG crowd in Cork have a short youtube video for a converted Lexus LS460.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDM47xxi7WI

    This is very interesting as that engine has the Toyota FSE system, ie a duel injection system per cylinder, one direct and the other the traditional non-direct.


  • #173
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    mullingar wrote: »
    I see that LPG crowd in Cork have a short youtube video for a converted Lexus LS460.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDM47xxi7WI

    This is very interesting as that engine has the Toyota FSE system, ie a duel injection system per cylinder, one direct and the other the traditional non-direct.

    and more interesting thing is that this engine was converted with completely no suitable autogas system for this engine. People like that probably work for petrol company and want to kill LPG in Ireland


  • #174
    dh0011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭dh0011


    sorel wrote: »
    and more interesting thing is that this engine was converted with completely no suitable autogas system for this engine. People like that probably work for petrol company and want to kill LPG in Ireland

    sorel, why cant this engine be converted?


  • #175
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    dh0011 wrote: »
    sorel, why cant this engine be converted?

    it can be converted with stable KIT, but there is not system for this engine on the market yet.


  • #176
    dh0011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭dh0011


    You might be able to answer a question for me sorel. I was thinking about converting my car a 1.6 avensis. Some say it will end up a disaster with me needing to replace the head others say it will be fine. I was talking to some lads who fit lpg kits. They all said that it is perfectly safe if I but their most expensive option. I am not sure if they are being honest or pulling a fast one.
    Your advice would be appreciated.


  • #177
    sorel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭sorel


    dh0011 wrote: »
    You might be able to answer a question for me sorel. I was thinking about converting my car a 1.6 avensis. Some say it will end up a disaster with me needing to replace the head others say it will be fine. I was talking to some lads who fit lpg kits. They all said that it is perfectly safe if I but their most expensive option. I am not sure if they are being honest or pulling a fast one.
    Your advice would be appreciated.

    If you want to convert direct injection engine you have to use suitable Kit for this. If there is no direct injection do this with any good conversion center. firstly make sure about experience. many of them will try to convert new engine with first generation autogas system :)


  • #178
    dh0011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭dh0011


    sorel wrote: »
    If you want to convert direct injection engine you have to use suitable Kit for this. If there is no direct injection do this with any good conversion center. firstly make sure about experience. many of them will try to convert new engine with first generation autogas system :)

    Thanks sorel


  • #179
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    who_ru wrote: »
    Hi.

    I'm driving a Mazda 6 1.8 Petrol 2009.

    getting the conversion done next wednesday 24/04 with LPGain in Tallaght.

    the cost is 1000 euros with the tank going in the spare wheel well - will just have to get used to driving without a spare i guess.

    the flashlube system will cost an extra 50 bucks the lads told me so i will opt for that system.

    i probably do approx 10,000 km per year, about 90% urban driving.

    the lucky thing for me is that there is now a refill station point on the N4 in Palmerstown, just behind Aldi, you can see it from the road, on the left, heading into town. i'm in chapelizod so very handy, other than that i could go to Finglas to fill up.

    my insurance company, FBD require a report from LPGain after the system is installed but nothing more.

    will report back after conversion is done.


    p.s. - the Irish Govt is not even remotely serious about protecting the environment. If it was then your motor tax should be adjusted accordingly after the conversion to LPG is done, as it is in the UK, where conversion to LPG is encouraged.
    How much is LPG at your local station? There seems to huge variation in price all over the country.


  • #180
    mickman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭mickman


    have you read this

    http://www.amrautos.co.uk/index.php/lpg-systems


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  • #181
    who_ru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭who_ru


    jca wrote: »
    How much is LPG at your local station? There seems to huge variation in price all over the country.

    0.85 cents per litre.

    the more i think about it the more i'm leaning to getting the larger tank installed which has a 130 litre capacity, so a max 80% fill will hold 104 litres. boot space will have to be sacrificed but the spare wheel can stay.

    the other tank that goes into the spare wheel well has an 80 litre capacity, so a max 80% fill can hold 64 litres. but boot space isn't affected.

    the bigger tank means less trips to the filling station so it has it's advantages.


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