Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

BhoscaCapall · 01-04-2013 06:21PM

It's mad how many times we've been left saying the exact same thing this season. "The referee cost us the game but we were rubbish anyway". There's been an insane amount of baffling decisions this season, they've just sort of gone unnoticed because there's less pressure on us and as I said, we've played poorly in most of the games where it's happened. I think Lenny would have lost the rag otherwise, but instead he's avoided criticising them much because there's no sense giving the SFA another chance to suspend him. Yesterday was an exception, although he did keep the criticism fairly general as there's been some shockers in other games too.

Dempsey · 01-04-2013 06:25PM

Doesnt help when players are babbling about professionalism in the media then perform like they do. They talk the talk but dont walk the walk

BhoscaCapall · 01-04-2013 06:26PM

I'd happily see Hooper dropped for Stokes for the rest of the season but Lennon seems intent on letting personal differences get in the way of the team's success.

Dempsey · 01-04-2013 06:38PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I'd happily see Hooper dropped for Stokes for the rest of the season but Lennon seems intent on letting personal differences get in the way of the team's success.

I think Celtic are worried about his ankle injury tbh, it was a very bad one. Alot worse than first assessed and it seems like they are giving him the rest of the season to see if it holds up

Eirebear · 01-04-2013 07:09PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

It's mad how many times we've been left saying the exact same thing this season. "The referee cost us the game but we were rubbish anyway". There's been an insane amount of baffling decisions this season, they've just sort of gone unnoticed because there's less pressure on us and as I said, we've played poorly in most of the games where it's happened. I think Lenny would have lost the rag otherwise, but instead he's avoided criticising them much because there's no sense giving the SFA another chance to suspend him. Yesterday was an exception, although he did keep the criticism fairly general as there's been some shockers in other games too.

Or maybe, just maybe, the lack of direct pressure in terms of a title race has given Lennon - and most Celtic fans - the opportunity to realise that these decisions are going against every single club in the country?
That, to put it simply, referees in Scotland are downright awful and as i've been saying for years it's about time that supporters of certain clubs took a look at what's going on around them and realised that.

Maybe.

BhoscaCapall · 01-04-2013 08:01PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I think Celtic are worried about his ankle injury tbh, it was a very bad one. Alot worse than first assessed and it seems like they are giving him the rest of the season to see if it holds up

Yet he came back and made several assists and goals in 5 or 6 games. Much more than Hooper has.

Dempsey · 01-04-2013 08:07PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yet he came back and made several assists and goals in 5 or 6 games. Much more than Hooper has.

His ankle could still be a long term issue

BhoscaCapall · 01-04-2013 08:39PM

Dempsey wrote: »

His ankle could still be a long term issue

He was being dropped for big games before his injury too.

I keep hearing that he doesn't turn up for them, when the only 'big' games he's played in were the Europa where he was our top scorer.

Almost as weird as this whole "Celtic's philosophy is to buy players cheap, develop them and sell them" thing the media have been regurgitating for a while now.

Dempsey · 01-04-2013 08:49PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

He was being dropped for big games before his injury too.

I keep hearing that he doesn't turn up for them, when the only 'big' games he's played in were the Europa where he was our top scorer.

Almost as weird as this whole "Celtic's philosophy is to buy players cheap, develop them and sell them" thing the media have been regurgitating for a while now.

He doesnt work much to get the ball back and that was evident against St. Mirren at the weekend. If he wants to play in the big games regularly, he has to improve his game.

BhoscaCapall · 01-04-2013 09:08PM

Dempsey wrote: »

He doesnt work much to get the ball back and that was evident against St. Mirren at the weekend. If he wants to play in the big games regularly, he has to improve his game.

And Hooper does?! Don't get me wrong, Hooper's a much better player but he's been half arsed for a good while now. I'd much rather see Stokes/Watt/Atajic up front in the remaining games.

blahfckingblah · 02-04-2013 10:44AM

why atajic? as far as i know he hasn't played a senior game for us..

Dempsey · 02-04-2013 01:04PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

why atajic? as far as i know he hasn't played a senior game for us..

And why should Atajic get more gametime than the likes of Rogic or McGeouch?

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 01:35PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

why atajic? as far as i know he hasn't played a senior game for us..

Because he's been on fire in the U19s and it's about time he got a go in the first team, with the league all but tied up.

Dempsey wrote: »

And why should Atajic get more gametime than the likes of Rogic or McGeouch?

One doesn't have to be at the expense of the other. He's a striker.

Dempsey · 02-04-2013 01:47PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

One doesn't have to be at the expense of the other. He's a striker.

I'd have him as an no.10 behind the striker, a position that we have plenty of better players for. Still the argument stands that he doesnt merit starting over the current squad players that are actually part of the 1st team squad.

When Lennon does change around the team, they often dont do the business. So what does he do that others dont? I think he's more likely to get cleaned off by a tackle than score for the 1st team.

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 03:29PM

Uh I'm not saying he should be first team, I'm saying he should get a run out since the league is won and our first team players can't be arsed.

Dempsey · 02-04-2013 03:39PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Uh I'm not saying he should be first team, I'm saying he should get a run out since the league is won and our first team players can't be arsed.

I didnt say that you did. I'm saying there are other, better, players higher up in the pecking order that arent getting a game/run out and that Lennon has given squad players run out to squad players before and they havent taken their chances.

You still cant explain why Atajic should get to leapfrog others that are waiting for their next chance. I think Stuart Findlay is the best u20 prospect but I dont think he should be getting a first team run out just because 'the league is won'.

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 03:44PM

Who are the better players up front? Miku and Lassad have done **** all, Samaras isn't a striker, Hooper isn't interested.

blahfckingblah · 02-04-2013 03:51PM

just because someone is scoring in the under 20s doesnt mean they can do the business in the first team

Dempsey · 02-04-2013 03:56PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Who are the better players up front? Miku and Lassad have done **** all, Samaras isn't a striker, Hooper isn't interested.

Miku has done feck all but Lassad isnt a striker in the same way Samaras isnt a striker.

Watt or Stokes leading the line in a 4-5-1 with Lassad/Rogic/McGeouch in the pocket since Commons is injured would do fine. You just seem mad to do something extreme because Hooper isnt scoring and likely to be sold in the summer.

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 04:05PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

just because someone is scoring in the under 20s doesnt mean they can do the business in the first team

Jesus christ... I'm not saying he will. I'm saying I'd like to see him given a chance. I didn't realise giving youth players the odd game in the tail end of the season when the title is wrapped up was a new concept.

Dempsey wrote: »

Miku has done feck all but Lassad isnt a striker in the same way Samaras isnt a striker.

Watt or Stokes leading the line in a 4-5-1 with Lassad/Rogic/McGeouch in the pocket since Commons is injured would do fine. You just seem mad to do something extreme because Hooper isnt scoring and likely to be sold in the summer.

Again, what on earth is "extreme" about playing some youth prospects in meaningless games? That's how Watt and McGeouch came through remember.

blahfckingblah · 02-04-2013 04:13PM

its not extreme and the games aren't meaningless. If our experienced players aren't performing you think we should just exchange them with inexperienced ones and expect a different result?

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 04:16PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

its not extreme and the games aren't meaningless. If our experienced players aren't performing you think we should just exchange them with inexperienced ones and expect a different result?

Do I expect more effort from a youngster determined to break into the first team than someone with their heart & mind set on a summer transfer? Yes, I do. Even Lennon keeps saying it. He keeps saying some of his players are acting like it's the summer already, yet he keeps playing them.

Here's another pic of our horrific new kit btw
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RoryMac · 02-04-2013 04:37PM

Not sure what the issue is, the games after the league has been won(or lost) have always been used to blood players. A few games without the massive pressure can be vital in young players development. I'm sure there are players certain to be gone and others in need of rest/operations etc who should sit out the games once the league has been wrapped up.

Maybe Atajic isn't ready for the step up I don't know but I'd rather see guys like him get a chance than Miku for example who looks to have no future at Celtic.

Pompey Magnus · 02-04-2013 04:46PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Here's another pic of our horrific new kit btw

Let's face it, we managed to get two good away jerseys this season, we were due an absolutely rotten one to make up for it. The whole jersey looks like one big advertisement for Magners now.

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 04:50PM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Let's face it, we managed to get two good away jerseys this season, we were due an absolutely rotten one to make up for it. The whole jersey looks like one big advertisement for Magners now.

Home jerseys was great this season too IMO.

This new one is so bad. The awful lines aside, the sponsor, tick and even the badge are all plastic glued onto the fabric. It's like a knock-off jersey. In fact you'll probably find better ones down the Barras :pac:

blahfckingblah · 02-04-2013 05:06PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Home jerseys was great this season too IMO.

This new one is so bad. The awful lines aside, the sponsor, tick and even the badge are all plastic glued onto the fabric. It's like a knock-off jersey. In fact you'll probably find better ones down the Barras :pac:

yep very happy with this years tops glad i got the home one considering i wont be buying that abomination... it looks similar to this years umbro kits only a very poor imitation that would be sold out of the boot of a nissan sunny at a market

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 05:09PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

it looks similar to this years umbro kits only a very poor imitation that would be sold out of the boot of a nissan sunny at a market

By a balding Yorkshire man in a cheap suit

Dempsey · 02-04-2013 06:10PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Jesus christ... I'm not saying he will. I'm saying I'd like to see him given a chance. I didn't realise giving youth players the odd game in the tail end of the season when the title is wrapped up was a new concept.

Again, what on earth is "extreme" about playing some youth prospects in meaningless games? That's how Watt and McGeouch came through remember.

McGeouch & Watt's development still stalled imo

RoryMac wrote: »

Not sure what the issue is, the games after the league has been won(or lost) have always been used to blood players. A few games without the massive pressure can be vital in young players development. I'm sure there are players certain to be gone and others in need of rest/operations etc who should sit out the games once the league has been wrapped up.

Maybe Atajic isn't ready for the step up I don't know but I'd rather see guys like him get a chance than Miku for example who looks to have no future at Celtic.

I wouldnt be bothered giving Miku another minute. I dont think one or two games at the tail end of a season where there is nothing to play gives much to u20 players. The only difference between one of those games and a development game is the crowd watching and lets face it, if there is nothing to be played for then the crowd is going to pedestrian.

The best thing for young players that are too good for u20's but not for Celtic's 1st team is a 6 month or year loan move to a club that will play him regularly. Bouncing for a year between the u20's, development squad for 1 or 2 meaningless games at the tail end of a season wont teach them much. What we are currently doing isnt bridging the gap quick enough imo

BhoscaCapall · 02-04-2013 06:35PM

Dempsey wrote: »

The only difference between one of those games and a development game is the crowd watching

Come on man, that is absolutely nonsense. For starters you can't discount the crowd watching. Playing in front of 35-40k at Parkhead is a big step up from 200 at Firhill. It's also the equivalent of your boss giving you a trial run as team leader or something, it's a promotion. Players will be hungry to perform. That's why I'm not just suggesting it for the development aspect - I think they'd offer more performance wise than a better player who can't be bothered

Dempsey · 02-04-2013 06:56PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Come on man, that is absolutely nonsense. For starters you can't discount the crowd watching. Playing in front of 35-40k at Parkhead is a big step up from 200 at Firhill. It's also the equivalent of your boss giving you a trial run as team leader or something, it's a promotion. Players will be hungry to perform. That's why I'm not just suggesting it for the development aspect - I think they'd offer more performance wise than a better player who can't be bothered

Marcus Fraser is still a development squad player despite playing a few SPL games, involved in a Europa League Match and some friendlies for the 1st team. He's no closer to pushing for a 1st team place than he was 2 years ago, same goes for Joe Chalmers. Paul McGowan, Ryan Conroy & Graham Carey all went backwards waiting for first team opportunities at Celtic.

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