The super honest what's wrong with the IAA thread 2013 mod warning post 1 and post53

The_ChiefDUB also banned for one week for reposting the deleted information. BAN LIFTED.

This is the finest example of what is wrong with the Airsoft section on Boards. OMG.
What the hell are you thinking Dogwatch. It smacks to me that you had a knee jerk reaction and Banned TheDoc and then had to follow on and ban TheChiefDub, with an explanation of "Personal information" what a load of S##t. Really, personal information?
What personal information?
How is it that all the other mods can stand by and look at this and think that this action is correct or even just.

People talk about cliques well I think this little clique from the MOD crew is very 'transparent'.
Cop the F##k on.

jayod30 wrote: »

I have the email in front of me from TheDocs original post, please elaborate on the personal information as I can see none?

You still have not answered my question, please elaborate?

Those bans are bs and are a prime example of actions appearing as bias. Dogwatch pmd me yesterday because he was concerned about mod bias but also said that hrtas posts don't breach the charter. I'd say they run pretty close to flamming or trolling but that's just me. 1984 alive and well eh

Gatling wrote: »

Silly attempts into get this thread closed

Was that directed at me?

Gatling wrote: »

Doc nobody had a gossip about you, your offer was made at a committee meeting with 4 executive members

And then the conversation took a spin sideways, where files were presented documenting my actions, boards activity and site activity over a course of time, containing inflamatory remarks and used as leverage against my volunteering. I've no problem with someone having a bitch about me. I'd a problem with the person who was instigating it.

What you said about the headbutt didnt go down well with everybody some/ wanted your membership permanently stripped as stated in the constitution,one affiliate would have walked and publicly state why he felt you shouldn't be allowed to be involved with the IAA

First I'm hearing of it. The incident occured in front of a number of highly respected members of the community, on a site that was at the time highly regarded for it's stewardship before it closed up. Considering the marshall's and site owner were present, saw the incident, and their first reaction was to ban the aggressor, and ask me was I ok, says alot about the situation.

I had already started to walk for the exit assuming a ban from the site, but was pulled back and was told not to be daft. The individual banned went on to also have a physical altercation with two more members who post here, getting himself an additional two site bans, before he was unofficially banned from numerous sites he had never even attended.

I've only got in two heated incidents whilst playing airsoft. Both in front of numerous people, both on respected sites, and both times I was deemed the innocent party while the other party was sanctioned with a ban or "yellow card".

I don't want to drag up these incidents again, it will only have people wanting to know the story, but I'm confident enough that based on the situation that occured and the moment, I wasn't grossly out of order, and there was enough witness', IAA members, and site owners present, to take disciplinary actin against me if they so felt is appropriate.

As regards an affiliate walking away on account of me? **** my influence just hit a new height

All 4 members of the executive committee discussed your offer and all 4 said no ,
Funny thing I asked that you attend a committee meeting to discuss some plans and project's you may have been interested in working on ,

Well you were there, so I guess you know what was said. I think you should assume I have it on good authority, if I'm feeling confident enough to discuss what was said, in a room of four people, and I wasn't one of them The irony being you were one of the people here asking for transparency, and meeting minutes never appeared from this meeting. They were requested through all formal channels and none were provided. It is worth mentioned that alot of people in the community knew about this carry on before I did, and it caused a bit of embarrassment on my part, especially when alot of people seemed to know, expect me.

I can't recall getting an invite to any committee meeting to discuss my involvement or projects. I know I had collaborated on a project that led to the inevitable volunteering, but obviously if you invited me to a meeting after the above mentioned shadow discussion, you can put one and one together to figure out why I said no ( And I probably said more then no, if I even gave a response)

My committee wasn't my committee do you forget the chair ,pro ,secretary treasurer you know the ones that resigned actually never turned up

It is a figure of speech, let's not get into semantics.

And every suggestion I made while on that committee to promote or do any projects was shot down by former committee members ,not current elected committee members but former committee members .

It is worth correction here. "The Membership" queried some decisions and projects. It is irrelevant if they were previous committee members. It was the membership, by which the acting committees are liable too. If I'm honest though I can sympathise with you. The committees that came before you had some big players, and big reputations and big personalities. They had gone through some tough years of hard work to ensure things were going right, and probably felt there was a wrong turn being taken, and felt they needed to weigh in.

I'm not being sarcastic or smart here, I'm being genuine. I know obviously I am personal friends with past committee members, but there has being numerous times where we have disagreed on certain issues, and there has been certain directions or "crusades" they have gone on, that I havn't being supportive of.

I can't recall the specific example your referencing ( The only thing I remember for that term of office, is another can of worms) so I can't make detailed comment.

And I don't play anymore - I was playing long before some and I will be playing long after some are gone

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This is true and there is no debate here. You were part of HRTA with a crew of others, before most of us knew about the game. I for one, had no idea there was something like Airsoft down the road from me (literally). But it still stands to reason, that it raises questions when you constantly appear to weigh in. And it is mostly during an IAA discussion.

I'm not saying you need to be playing regularly to have involvement, not at all, our communitys cores for years was a chairsofting brigade. But when it comes to the national body, the body that deals with the current pain issues, the problems, the vibes, the groups, the sites and just the game in general., it does go some way to actually knowing what is going on, and actually be out playing. It is on par with if Shiva started coming in barrelling on about regulations with regards to retailing, years after his shop shut its doors.

SEALs_Ireland wrote: »

We should all be ashamed of ourselves, as everything that is bring our sport down can be found on this thread and I'm not going to type out a long list, because we all know what we have done wrong

Also, the definition of sport:

"An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others"

Which is normally in good faith and with honor, there is no skill or honor in taking each other down a peg to make a point, no matter how righteous it maybe at the time

Plus, there has been too much negative "against another or others" for too long and it has to stop or we risk more damage to the sport of Airsoft

So please remember, to be kind and it takes fewer muscles to smile

For as much as we always firmly believe in ensuring we stay away from real steel assosiation, we sure as hell act like it when it comes to the politics.

I think that the wedge has been dug too deep on some sides, for their to be any going back. Personally I'm open to anything, and I'm open minded when it comes to debate. I've sown up damaged relationships within this community, as with other **** in life and other sports.

There just so happens that I haven't done alot in airsoft, either because I believe strongly in a certain stance relative to a topic, or some sort of incident that occured. And I know others are the same. While its no benefit to drag it back up into the open, it kinda puts a dent into the "lets all kiss and get along".

Like I'd say from reading my stuff for example, people would assume I have massive beef with Gatling, Andy_g, Dogwatch, Thermo among others. The actual fact of the matter is I don't. Yeah I don't agree with all their points, I don't agree with some of their opinions. I've had disagreements in relation to how items have been moderated, and the style in general.

But its not like I actually despise the person behind the name or anything. A lot of the newer posters won't know this, but there was a time when we all played happy as larry every weekend, chatting, having a laugh and playing the game. It's actually funny looking back, when you look at the different groups, opinions, the barriers that have been raised. We actually ALL started playing in HRTA, and there was a time when we ALL got along flawless and had savage craic.

In recent times we query HRTA's posts and what the goal is, what the spin and sideshow is going to be. But (I know I don't anyway) I don't forget thats where I started the game, its where I was shown the ropes, and it was where I was welcomed into the game. I was looked after with the odd free game for helping marshall, lifts home from Eirsoft.ie, and being welcomed to use the site for practice and team training. I don't forget that, and I respect it.

I think some people just take what should be open debate where sometimes you find the middle ground, sometimes you don't and that's it. But somehow here it turns personal beyond belief and people take massive offence to having their views challenged or queried.

Dogwatch wrote: »

In view of the number of posts about these 2 bans< i have looked again and I freely admit
I made a mistake. Both bans have been lifted and I have offered my apologies to both posters.

Fair play. Beasty's advice has been noted and I to offer my apologies for my reaction on thread. I find it quite hard to contain myself at times;)

Now that things have calmed down somewhat, who's for tea and crumpets? I'm even prepared to break out the fine china:D:p

At the end of the day, I hate the way the former committee members of the IAA, All ways have to paint me black, As i said then to 2010 committee, hrta club did not have the funds for the 2010 Salute stand, As i did pay for the tent's and some gear every year before that from 2007, 2008, 2009, Salute show's, and the boy for toy RDS Show 2007, and what ever i could do at the time, And the IAA was to keep any money they got from these show's as was the way i had worded to them at the time, as to go in to the committee fund for the IAA,
So all i what is a payment that is owed to from the 2010 Salute show, Now i don't think it's a lot to ask for is it, thank's.

Regards,
Paul.

Tommyboy71 wrote: »

The only thing you got right in the first sentence was that I did sign the invoice (for what it was). I also told you to submit a VAT receipt which you said you would do but didn't. You don't seem to remember that.

Also, and most importantly, I never once said that you would be paid. I said that I would process it. Big difference. There was no way in hell I was going to pay out for tents that were rented to the association two years previous without at least checking the validity of the claim.

As I said, tell the whole story. Don't cherrypick the parts that make you look like a victim. Anyway, the point is moot. The matter is in the hands of the new committee.

So for there it is, after all this time, the Iaa have now shown what they are, If you stand up to them, this is how they treat you, and discredit you, Ah well
at lest i got here first, thank's Tommy, i did send the invoice's, and i gave one at salute in 2010 to the Iaa committee which was <snip> were there at the time, and <snip> did reply to the payment, as posted below, It's like this lads, if you want me stop posting, just pay up, and i'm gone, or do you still love me that much, you just want me around, for some one to blame.

Regards,

Paul.

Discussion surrounding the AGM minutes
by BioHazRd » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:39 am

hrta wrote:
If there was investigations were all the witnesses, i know of 3 witnesses that were at salute and heard all.

I still have not been payed, for the rent of the tents for salute 2010, the outstanding fee is €300, i'd like the new committee to look in to it for me, thank's

Dear Irish Airsoft Association,
I wish to make an access request under the Data Protection Acts 1988 and 2003 for a copy of any information you keep about me, on computer or in manual form. I am making this request under section 4 of the Data Protection Acts.

Regards,
Paul Carey.

PS: I did send the above by email, but i still have, had no return, please if you could look in to it for me, thank's.

I will post this over on Facebook, if it gets deleted in here, as can happen to me.
Discussion surrounding the AGM minutes
by BioHazRd » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:39 am

BioHazRd wrote:



As for the ret ofthe post, Dave is right, this is not the place for it

I would like to offer my most sincerest apologies to all members for my involvement in this headache of a thread.

I really didn't want to post in this train wreck, but as my name was mentioned, I just want to clarify something.

HRTA stated that he supplied an invoice to the committee at salute for the tents. As everyone is aware, I was the chairperson of the IAA at that time, and this is the first I have heard of that. Nobody presented an invoice to me, and as I can't speak for the other two members of the committee who were present, I will allow them to address this issue themselves if they wish to do so.

HRTA also quotes from the IAA forum to make it look like I just brushed him off, however if you read the actual post, you will see that he edited it before he pasted it here. Context is everything.
Original post on IAA forum is at http://www.irishairsoft.ie/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=895&p=3512#p3512