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Garda Sgts facing disciplinary hearing after walkout.

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  • #182
    tayto lover
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    fullgas wrote: »
    Using the deaths of others to justify your pay packet is a bit low. Gardaí are on a basic salary of €43k before their generous overtime and allowances. They are well paid for what they do.

    Again I am NOT a Garda. I do support them fully on this though.
    Fine Gael supporters are ganging up on them :D


  • #183
    tayto lover
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    Do the gardai get themselves killed deliberately?

    Ah shucks. You are better than that usually.


  • #184
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    SB2013 wrote: »
    You keep referring to the constitution for some reason. It's not relevent. And the provisions of the Garda Síochána Act may not even be legal under EU law. We'll have to await the courts decision on that.



    Was there malicious intent in any of those incidents?

    So you are saying, there was malicious intent in the incidents that some or all garda lost their lives,, so I am going to do someting wrong and kill a garda on the way, this does not compute,

    you guys need to start reading what DJ is posting from the start of this thread, it beggars belief most of yis can not see his point.

    it must be the, do as your told syndrome gone wrong.


  • #185
    tayto lover
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    Your original question





    Stop changing the parameters because the answer wasn't what you expected. Dead is dead, no matter how they met their end. The were at work and got killed.



    AGSI were in the talks and walked out. Links posted earlier in the thread.

    The members walked who walked out of the conference were members of AGSI. The GRA weren't in the talks but were represented by the 24/7 alliance.

    The standard of your posts have deteriorated considerably but your anti Garda stance has risen if that's possible.


  • #186
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The standard of your posts have deteriorated considerably but your anti Garda stance has risen if that's possible.

    Can't admit to being wrong, eh? :P


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  • #187
    tayto lover
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    Can't admit to being wrong, eh? :P

    You are wrong just like you were on the nurses thread.


  • #188
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    fullgas wrote: »
    Using the deaths of others to justify your pay packet is a bit low. Gardaí are on a basic salary of €43k before their generous overtime and allowances. They are well paid for what they do.

    Here is the pay scales for you. Only Gardaí with 11 years or more experience get that. And that doesn't include the pension levy pay cut. http://www.gra.cc/payscales.shtml
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    how is getting the same pay cut as the rest of the civil servants being un fairly treated ?
    they walked out - they stifled their own opinion .

    as i have said many many times on this thread , they cant have it both ways

    It's not the same pay cut because civil servants don't work unsocial hours. it represents a much larger cut in the gross pay.
    Big Davey wrote: »
    Only thing "most" guards will catch is blue flu. Or maybe an std please read.

    http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-28906744.html

    Yes Gardaí are at high risk for hepatitas A. As such, they have to go through an innoculation program. They are also at risk from many other illnesses as a result of the people they come into contact with. The same can be said for prison guards and nurses.


  • #189
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    zonEEE wrote: »
    The system does not work, it never has done, we have a serious problem when the government cares more for what the Germans/bondholders think of them rather then their own people.

    Safegard your money, stock up on food/water.

    Let the fire burn and all the bankers/bondholders/rothschilds in it.

    yea , that worked out great for nations that have done it,

    Syria spring to mind

    there are many ways to solve this , burning the country down satisfies some blood lust, but is not the answer and never has been.

    only a fool would set fire to his own country to weed out a few,
    this why we have Garda and defense forces - to prevent crap like that


  • #190
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    SB2013 wrote: »



    Yes Gardaí are at high risk for hepatitas A. As such, they have to go through an innoculation program. They are also at risk from many other illnesses as a result of the people they come into contact with. The same can be said for prison guards and nurses.

    As is Joe soap walking down the street and taxi drivers, your point?


  • #191
    dj jarvis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    tayto lover wrote: »
    BUT they didn't walk out. They weren't IN to walk OUT.

    did you not read the link that were put up about this,
    they WERE in and WALKED OUT :rolleyes:


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  • #192
    Boombastic
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    You are wrong just like you were on the nurses thread.

    Where am I wrong in this?

    AGSI were in the talks and walked out

    GRA were represented by the 24/7 alliance

    More people who are not members of the Gardai are killed at work every year



    Please point out the flaw in my argument


  • #193
    tayto lover
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    did you not read the link that were put up about this,
    they WERE in and WALKED OUT :rolleyes:

    According to the General Secretary (can't think of name) they were in a room on a corridor getting feedbacks from some Union rep.
    They were never inside at the talks i.e. in the room where the talks were taking place.


  • #194
    dj jarvis
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    According to the General Secretary (can't think of name) they were in a room on a corridor getting feedbacks from some Union rep.
    They were never inside at the talks i.e. in the room where the talks were taking place.

    and they walked from that
    it was good enough during bench marking but not good enough now??

    this has been said many many times , i suggest you read the thread from the start


  • #195
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Boombastic wrote: »
    So does bench marking

    Gardai got 5% in Benchmarking iirc. Prison Officers got 4% which was paid over 18-24 months. Hardly earth shattering increases that broke the country. 'Benchmarking' seems to be the catch-all phrase when people argue PS wages, but the devil is in the detail. The average was 8.9% rise - once again only those at the top got the big increases, but those at the bottom get all the abuse for it.
    People also forget the reason that Benchmarking was introduced.
    Going Forward wrote: »
    If the Gaurds, nurses, teachers etc. are so unhappy with their pay etc, they are free to offer their talents elsewhere, resign, and get a sackable non secure non pensionable job in the private sector.

    Just like that... Get real will ya.

    I also am fed up listening to the very misleading claims that each gaurd works every Christmas day along with a picture being painted that each and every gaurd is in imminent danger at all times

    They do not, and hopefully will not reach harm, but they are now finding the same qualified sympathy from much of the general public to whom they displayed general arrogance whilst enthusiastically dishing out points for minor RT misdemeanours instead of engaging and constructively warning the general public.

    Mix this in with recent and past high profile corruption cases and the wealth of local corruption that occurs below the radar and the fact that each and every ordinary person has accepted cuts that they do not agree with, well we are all in the same boat.

    When Garda recruitment begins again there will be a stampede to fill such undesirable positions.

    BTW, I'd love know what the 24/7 group (they dont work 24 hours a day btw) But there are members of this group on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week, including Christmas and other holidays, just in case YOU need their services. make of the very generous volunteers up and down the country who give up their time free of charge, from the likes of the RNLI to the Order of Malta etc. to selflessly serve the community .

    Many, many members of these organisations are 24/7 workers as well - but you know that of course. You're just pretending to be dumb.

    They must really be dumb
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    60,000 a year(and the rest) and 600 a week pension(2 million input if they were a private sector worker) when they retire in their 50's

    get off the fcuking stage:mad:

    Straight from the Eddie Hobbs School of PS Bashing. Just don't let actual facts get in the way.
    starviewadams wrote: »
    They still want boom time level pay and conditions even though it's not the boom anymore.Everyone has taken cuts,get on with or quit.

    Thousands of others would happily take their ''undesirable'' and ''dangerous'' jobs in a heartbeat if they did.

    I wonder would they??
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    no, the Garda knew what he was getting into after templemore , as i keep saying , not a peep from them when the wages were going up, now we are in the ****ter , they wont take the cut , like the rest of us , regardless of how or why we are here.

    Gardaí have already taken the cuts with the rest of us. 'Officially' it's 14% or so but that doesn't include the USC or the Pension Levy which have taken another 15-20% from the wages of the ordinary guy.

    BTW 'The rest of us' haven't all taken hits - many private sector workers have had increases over the last couple of years, something that no Public Sector worker other than Politicians and their cronies have had.



    For what it's worth I think that they were dead right to walk out on his speech and it's just a pity that more of them didn't follow.
    Strangely enough I don't see Shatter tackling Judges, Barristers or the Free Legal Aid system. Why's that I wonder?


  • #196
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    everyone is forgetting the oath they took - they cant go back on that,
    its to uphold the law of the land - part of this regulation is not to strike.

    what part of this are people not getting?

    everyone is also forgetting our politicians are lying/cheating corrupted fcukers who made their bed and they're going to fcuking well lie in it now!!


  • #197
    tayto lover
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    dj jarvis wrote: »
    and they walked from that
    it was good enough during bench marking but not good enough now??

    this has been said many many times , i suggest you read the thread from the start

    I don't care about what happened with their benchmarking. Nothing to do with me.

    What I care about is people being able to air their grievances and being able to represent their members and that is not happening here. It will lead to trouble and the public as usual will suffer as a result.

    They should be allowed into the room to state their grievances.


  • #198
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Off topic, I see here in the local paper (Aberdeen) Feeena failed, are on the come back big time, they say they are going to do very well in the next by-election, and then laughed, (not at the fact they will do well but how short the Irish memory is).


  • #199
    darkhorse
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    dj jarvis wrote: »


    sure lets EVERYONE stop working , we all have the right to do so , lets bring the house of cards down - rabble rabble rabble

    Why not? How better off are we since this this government came to power. Striking en masse might just have woke this government up.


  • #200
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I don't care about what happened with their benchmarking. Nothing to do with me.

    What I care about is people being able to air their grievances and being able to represent their members and that is not happening here. It will lead to trouble and the public as usual will suffer as a result.

    They should be allowed into the room to state their grievances.

    Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true, or do you want all 14,000 members to be allowed in the room?


    Especially for you
    http://www.agsi.ie/articles/news-alert-agsi-has-not-returned-to-pay-talks/

    AGSI HAS NOT RETURNED TO PAY TALKS

    It has come to notice that AGSI is rumoured to have returned to pay talks on Croke Park. This is entirely false. AGSI has not returned to Croke Park / Extension talks or briefings or negotiations.



    http://www.frontlinealliance.ie/
    The 24/7 Frontline Alliance represents workers, including gardai, nurses, fire fighters, prison officers and ambulance personnel, who deliver emergency and other vital services to the public.........................
    There are six affiliated unions and staff associations. They are: the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors, the Garda Representative Association, the Irish Nurses & Midwives Organisation, the Prison Officers Association, the and Psychiatric Nurses Association


  • #201
    G Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 559 ✭✭✭G Power


    darkhorse wrote: »
    Why not? How better off are we since this this government came to power. Striking en masse might just have woke this government up.

    exactly, lets try the one thing people are somehow afraid of their lives to do


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  • #202
    JRant
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    dj jarvis wrote: »

    did you not read the link that were put up about this,
    they WERE in and WALKED OUT :rolleyes:

    What I don't understand is what they want to achieve from the process?
    They seem to be operating under this strange notion that when you enter into negotiations with your employer you have an equal say in matters.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #203
    Steve O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭Steve O


    For all the sycophants that go on about "it's the law" this and "it's the law" that, they're sure defending the Guards that break it.

    I'm noticing a worrying trend that only the "little people" need to be law abiding. When it comes to our politicans, our bankers, our police force, our rich etc, there seems to be an overwhelming apathy towards any crimes or laws they break.

    I'm not defending the government here, but the guards sign up to a job they know isn't covered by Unions etc. now they want to be like every other bloated public sector, covered by iron clad union contracts and ridiculous pay packets.


  • #204
    3ndahalfof6
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    JRant wrote: »
    What I don't understand is what they want to achieve from the process?
    They seem to be operating under this strange notion that when you enter into negotiations with your employer you have an equal say in matters.

    But they are not talking to their employers, hence the problem, if they were they would know what their remit was and shut the fook up, we need some Full metal jacket on this one.


  • #205
    tayto lover
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true, or do you want all 14,000 members to be allowed in the room?


    Especially for you
    http://www.agsi.ie/articles/news-alert-agsi-has-not-returned-to-pay-talks/

    AGSI HAS NOT RETURNED TO PAY TALKS

    It has come to notice that AGSI is rumoured to have returned to pay talks on Croke Park. This is entirely false. AGSI has not returned to Croke Park / Extension talks or briefings or negotiations.



    http://www.frontlinealliance.ie/
    The 24/7 Frontline Alliance represents workers, including gardai, nurses, fire fighters, prison officers and ambulance personnel, who deliver emergency and other vital services to the public.........................
    There are six affiliated unions and staff associations. They are: the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors, the Garda Representative Association, the Irish Nurses & Midwives Organisation, the Prison Officers Association, the and Psychiatric Nurses Association

    Just answer the question for me with a simple "yes " or "no" --

    Were the Garda in the room where the talks were taking place?


  • #206
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Just answer the question for me with a simple "yes " or "no" --

    Were the Garda in the room where the talks were taking place?

    Yes the AGSI were until they walked out

    AGSI - Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors



    Is this your good cop/bad cop routine? :pac:


  • #207
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Just answer the question for me with a simple "yes " or "no" --

    Were the Garda in the room where the talks were taking place?

    Yes and then No.


  • #208
    darkhorse
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    Big Davey wrote: »
    8 died in construction.

    Were they murdered?


  • #209
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Yes the AGSI were until they walked out

    AGSI - Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors



    Is this your good cop/bad cop routine? :pac:


    Wrong - the they were not in 'the' room where the talks were.

    The were in another room with the negotiators flitting between them and had no direct input.


  • #210
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    Wrong - the they were not in 'the' room where the talks were.

    The were in another room with the negotiators flitting between them and had no direct input.

    Link please


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  • #211
    JRant
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    tayto lover wrote: »

    Just answer the question for me with a simple "yes " or "no" --

    Were the Garda in the room where the talks were taking place?

    Who cares? Seriously.

    How many employees have their pay cut by management and are then merely informed of any changes once a decision has been made.

    I respect the job AGS do but right now it's a straight choice between protecting their pay or protecting services to the millions of citizens in this country.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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